Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Originally posted by stormfront13
here are storms powers so everyone is clear
psychically linked to the weather patterns of Earth, allowing her to command meteorological energy patterns to raise or lower temperature levels, direct air currents as hurricane-force winds, a pressure dome that can deflect attacks, or to maneuver herself through the sky, excite electron particles to call down lightning bolts, scramble incoming psionic assaults, or fire electrical blasts from her fingertips, and summon clouds as fog cover or in order to bring forth precipitation such as rain, snow, sleet, and hail, alter her body temperature to compensate for weather conditions, and can manipulate her own perceptions to see electrical energy and the factors behind weather phenomena
right in there it says that she can deflect attacks

i knew that already, that says nothing about controlling stars...

she can only deflect attacks for so long, and it says nothing of the intensity of attacks...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Welcome to the world of Chris "Let's have her do this, even though she can't" Claremont.

Nuff said. She can't deal with the stars, she's not Surfer. I don't give a crap how powerful she is on Earth, she can't control or gain power from the stars.

Not so fast, speedy. I want to know more about these feats. I've NEVER heard of this. When did this happen? How did she "control" the stars? What did she do with them?

Thanks for finally solidifying how absolutely little you know (aka nothing) Stormfront. Anyone notice how GalacticStorm never browses the forum at the same time as Stormfront. One disappears, the other appears.

So what? There was one time Clark Kent went to get orange juice and while he was away, some kid fell into a waterfall. Superman saved him, but Clark missed the whole thing getting orange juice. That doesn't mean that Clark Kent and Superman are suddenly the same person...

when I posted that I wasn't talkin about controllin stars- I wanted everyone to see that she can deflest attacks. and she has controlled stars before so why can't she here?

"Not so fast, speedy. I want to know more about these feats. I've NEVER heard of this. When did this happen? How did she "control" the stars? What did she do with them?"

She harnessed the "power" of the stars because she was pissed off. It happened in the, I think, Brood Saga.

Don't try and make excuses Mr. Science, she can't control the stars. She can't. Let's end this before it gets even more riduclous.

"So what? There was one time Clark Kent went to get orange juice and while he was away, some kid fell into a waterfall. Superman saved him, but Clark missed the whole thing getting orange juice. That doesn't mean that Clark Kent and Superman are suddenly the same person..."

Why are you quoting a passing comment that was completely irrelevant? Are you THAT stuck?

"and she has controlled stars before so why can't she here?"

Because she isn't that powerful nor do her powers include that.

She's not a cosmic. She controls the weather and Earth elements. Not the stars. End of story.

-AC

Originally posted by stormfront13
when I posted that I wasn't talkin about controllin stars- I wanted everyone to see that she can deflest attacks. and she has controlled stars before so why can't she here?

spiderman defeated firelord... once off...

even comparing storm to the phoenix is bullshit...

what kind of attacks? she cant possibly deflect every type of attack...

I never said that she would use the stars in this fight because she won't need to. I was saying she could because other people were saying she can't. and she has done it before i am looking for the comic as we speak

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"She's also dodged lasesr beams and gunfire, even when she was without her powers. "

Does this disprove that she knocked herself out with sheer clumsiness? No.

But that doesn't prove that she'll get hit by Doom, either. She got nailed. So what? Doom got nailed plenty of times because he forgot to keep his shield up. That's neither here nor there.

"Why do you assume that she's only going to be in the sky? Storm can be all over the place, and she can take cover and use her powers at the same time. It's easy."

Yeah but how many others have "taken cover" from Doom? What does Doom think of "cover"?

I'm not a telepath, but I'd imagine he'd think something like, "Damn. This makes it harder to hit her. Where is she?"

Exactly. What are they gonna do though? Using her powers while hiding is the same as not hiding. She can't hit him, he can't hit her. What?

She takes cover, and nails him if his shield is down, hits him through his shield if it's up, while Doom is navigating through fog and light shows to try to locate her. He doesn't hit her. She shuts him down. That's how.

no ones gonna change their minds so why even bother posting

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She harnessed the "power" of the stars because she was pissed off. It happened in the, I think, Brood Saga.

What does that mean? Did it make her more powerful or give her plasma energy or what?

She did it from Earth too?

Don't try and make excuses Mr. Science, she can't control the stars. She can't. Let's end this before it gets even more riduclous.

You talkin to me? I never brought it up, I'm just curious to find out more about it.

She's not a cosmic. She controls the weather and Earth elements. Not the stars. End of story.

All of which is well and good, Storm stills beats him, though. Star powered or no.

" was saying she could because other people were saying she can't. and she has done it before i am looking for the comic as we speak"

I've already told you she'd done it once. I'm not saying she has never, I'm saying she can't realistically because her powers don't entail it. She did it because SOMEONE pinned her with those powers, coz she's his favourite X-Man.

"I'm not a telepath, but I'd imagine he'd think something like, "Damn. This makes it harder to hit her. Where is she?""

This isn't hide and seek though is it?

"She takes cover, and nails him if his shield is down, hits him through his shield if it's up, while Doom is navigating through fog and light shows to try to locate her. He doesn't hit her. She shuts him down. That's how."

A) His shield won't be down because the fight will be in progress won't it?

B) Assumption City...at the end of Speculation Avenue. Right at the end of "Coz I don't buy his magic powers, I'll deny em" lane.

C) This is just what you want to happen. If it was that easy then we wouldn't be debating.

Though, of course a X-Man will succeed where cosmics and the F4 have failed.

-AC

Originally posted by stormfront13
I never said that she would use the stars in this fight because she won't need to. I was saying she could because other people were saying she can't. and she has done it before i am looking for the comic as we speak

i asked you a simple question...

how strong is this defence she has? if a sentinel can blast through it then doom certainly can...

"All of which is well and good, Storm stills beats him, though. Star powered or no."

That's your opinion based on ONE possibility. That itself shows how badly the "odds" are against her. She has one attack that might.....MIGHT work. Doom has 90 (probably true) that will.

Secondly, do you genuinely believe that STORM FROM THE X-MEN is capable of using the power of the stars? The stars? Storm?

No X-Men writer has ever gave her that power.....except one.

-AC

I am almost positive then when she harnesses the powers of the stars she gets like some plasms ability- I'm not sure if this is true so it doesn't really matter

You've been almost positive about a few things that you've changed your mind on in this thread. Says alot, no?

-AC

like what??

We've already quoted you saying that Doom would win, 3 times.

Inbetween changing your mind.

I'm not gonna go pages back and quote you again. You're all stormed out.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
" was saying she could because other people were saying she can't. and she has done it before i am looking for the comic as we speak"

I've already told you she'd done it once. I'm not saying she has never, I'm saying she can't realistically because her powers don't entail it. She did it because SOMEONE pinned her with those powers, coz she's his favourite X-Man.

Well, she did it once. That's one more time than the number of times Doom put up a mystical impenetrable shield....

Not sure how the whole star-controlling thing would impact this fight, though.

"I'm not a telepath, but I'd imagine he'd think something like, "Damn. This makes it harder to hit her. Where is she?""

This isn't hide and seek though is it?

Storm needs cover. Storm takes cover. She MAKES it a game of hide and seek. You turn disadvantages into advantages, you make the environment yours. Battle strategy 101.

"She takes cover, and nails him if his shield is down, hits him through his shield if it's up, while Doom is navigating through fog and light shows to try to locate her. He doesn't hit her. She shuts him down. That's how."

A) His shield won't be down because the fight will be in progress won't it?

Of course, because Doom ALWAYS fights with his shields up, making him completely invulnerable all those times he got demolished by the Thing or fried by Torch, right?

B) Assumption City...at the end of Speculation Avenue. Right at the end of "Coz I don't buy his magic powers, I'll deny em" lane.

The whole fight is based on assumptions, you can't remove an option just because of that. She's gone through shields before - I have full faith that she can go through his.

If you want to throw in magic powers, go ahead. But the only time he's used them at combat speed was during Unthinkable, when he sold is soul to demons.

C) This is just what you want to happen. If it was that easy then we wouldn't be debating.

Of course. that's one of my scenarios, you have one of yours. We argue it. That's how it works.

Though, of course a X-Man will succeed where cosmics and the F4 have failed.

If the F4 EVER failed, Doom wouldn't be as dead as he is today.
If Galactus said, "I'm gonna kill Doom right now" Doom would be dead.
Hell, if Surfer said, "I'm gonna kill Doom right now", Doom would be dead.

And I'm not gonna mention Squirrel Girl...

...shoot, too late.

yes I said doom will win three minds then I changed my mind and said storm. I only changed my mind once. and the reason I said doom was cause of you. you pushed me into saying doom by saying that I was stupid and that i have no reason to post here.

"Not sure how the whole star-controlling thing would impact this fight, though."

It wouldn't coz she wouldn't use it. The difference between her doing that and Doom's magical shield is that Doom has magical powers. Storm is no cosmic, fact.

"Storm needs cover. Storm takes cover. She MAKES it a game of hide and seek. You turn disadvantages into advantages, you make the environment yours. Battle strategy 101."

Who's better at making the environment their own? Doom did that with a country, and the world.....3 times.

"Of course, because Doom ALWAYS fights with his shields up, making him completely invulnerable all those times he got demolished by the Thing or fried by Torch, right?"

So we're taking it down to help Storm? Ridiculous. If she has to take cover, logic and common sense say the fight has started. Hence he would have his shield up, as we've established.

"If you want to throw in magic powers, go ahead. But the only time he's used them at combat speed was during Unthinkable, when he sold is soul to demons."

Yeah, and those other examples shown to you.

"Of course. that's one of my scenarios, you have one of yours. We argue it. That's how it works."

I'm not going by what I want, I'm going by the two characters involved. Dr. Doom, king of latveria, intellectual equal of the F4 VS Storm......second in command of the X-Men.

"If the F4 EVER failed, Doom wouldn't be as dead as he is today.
If Galactus said, "I'm gonna kill Doom right now" Doom would be dead.
Hell, if Surfer said, "I'm gonna kill Doom right now", Doom would be dead. And I'm not gonna mention Squirrel Girl......shoot, too late."

Considering Doom has conquered the world 3 times, I'd say they've failed the odd time. Likelihood of Galactus saying this? None. Same with Surfer? None. Even less. Likelihood of all this being relevant? Zero. Likelihood of Storm succeeding where the F4 have trouble? Some single digited number.

The really funny thing is, Dr. Doom is their main villain. Magneto isn't dead, he fights the X-Men. Dr. Doom fights the Fantastic Four and he isn't dead either. Coz he is that good. If they all decided to actually kill off everyone less powerful than them, Doom would go back in time and kill them before they got on the shuttle. Stop being so literal.

What's worse, Squirrel Girl or a brick? A Brick. An inanimate object.

"yes I said doom will win three minds then I changed my mind and said storm. I only changed my mind once"

Anyone? No? Ok...

Hahahahahahahhahaha.

-AC

Y'know, I could see the star manipulation thing. Really. But it's a huge jump from what she's doing now.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She got knocked out by a brick.