Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Originally posted by demigawd
Actually, you're referring to two different things. Khell was saying that she could suck the air right out of his lungs. I agree with that. *I'm* saying she could also create a vortex around him or within his shield that would move the air elsewhere, changing the air pressure so dramatically that he can't breathe, or would pass out entirely from the sudden pressure change. Like what happens when an airplane suddenly loses its pressure.

Yeah but this is all reliant upon you hoping she can get inside his shield, which we have been over many times. This also relies on the woman's ability to actually suck oxygen out of a human body, hahaha.

Originally posted by demigawd
She defeated his technology - it proves she has the means of doing so. You can say that it doesn't mean anything because it's not the real Doom, but it shows that his tech isn't infallible or impervious to her power. Given that there's been no evidence to suggest that Doom's tech is vastly superior to the tech of Doombots, I have no reason to believe that she couldn't do it to Doom. Unless you have some evidence that Doom's tech is superior? If you don't, then you're just (to use your word) speculating.

Oh come off it. If you had a near unlimited supply of action men dolls, would you go to INCREDIBLE lengths to protect just one, knowing that you have infinite more? No you wouldn't, well logically. Doom know what happens with his Doombots, he monitors them. If you truly believe that Dr. Doom is going to walk out with equal technology to something he created, then I question how much you know of Doom. He's more concerned about protecting himself than his Doombots and he's also more willing to do whatever it takes to survive, like kill. Doom's tech is superior because he has many things accustomed to only him, as you should know. Doombots don't need an air supply, they don't need as strong a shield, they don't need the full capacity intelligence of Doom. All of which the real Doom possesses, deny?

Originally posted by demigawd
Sure, Doom could fire away if he wants. Might be able to hit her too. The difference is, she has lots of defensive options. Doom has his shield. If that fails, he's screwed. And I've named two ways in which she would make it fail. One is by overloading it. The other is by bypassing it. Storm has an entire defensive strategy using nature. Now, your job is to tell me times he's been blinded, in a sandstorm, in the midst of nature's fury, then activated his shield and they all went away and he could see just fine. That scan above sure didn't do it. If you can do that, then we're on even terms defensively. Otherwise, I've shown how Storm could defeat his shielding. How will Doom defeat all those winds and flying debris and fog and light shows to get to her?

Then if he hits her, it's done, no questions asked and no, you've named two ways in which you believe she MIGHT make it fail. There's no would. She couldn't overload it, she couldn't make it fail. Prove me wrong if you can, although we've been over the shield thing many times and your theories just get worse and worse, lest we forget the breathing weather atrocity. My "job" isn't to do anything for you. For someone spending most of his time assuming and believing (through nothing more than a text guarantee) that Storm beat the real Doom, are you in any position to assume that was actually him. Was it one of his dozen appearances? You've shown how you THINK she can defeat his shielding. Why does what you THINK become canon yet what I think needs oodles of proof? B-bit contradictory there. Flying debris? We know how Storm fares there.

Originally posted by demigawd
Which is no different than you or anyone else. We're all saying what we THINK. Even if you're so full of yourself you believe your opinions are fact, they're opinions. You THINK Doom would put up his shield. You THINK Doom would shoot at her with a gauntlet blast. Maybe he'll just run up and maul her. Maybe she'll duck out the way and trip him. Who knows? It's all what we THINK will happen. So get off the wordplay.

Doom doesn't run up and maul, first of all. Duck and trip? Hahahahaha. You are continually coming up with the most meaningless, inconclusive and irrelevant theories I have ever seen in this thread, which says alot. I'm willing to bet that you haven't read many Doom comics if you believe Doom is gonna fight and actual fight, himself, with his shield down. It's a near impossibility.

Originally posted by demigawd
But the shields are generated by electronics - that means that they're providing constant energy to the shields. If you overload the shields with the very thing that fuels the electroncs, it will overload the electronics itself. It's not concussive force, like cosmic power is. It's complimentary force. Again, different concept.

He doesn't plug his suit into the mains and go to work. It's not a simple as "It's powered by electricity". Magneto can't mess with his suit, metallically or technically, so Storm is gonna buzz electricity at his shield and it's gonna overload? Hardly. Whether it's a different concept or not, if what I described failed in overloading it, a woman with considerably less power, no matter WHAT she's using, will not be able to.

Originally posted by demigawd
I thought Khell answered this well, so I won't step on his toes. What I will say, however, is that Doom's suit IS magnetic. When he fought Magneto in their most recent encounter (like 10 years ago), Magneto knocked Doom back by his armor. Doom then had to explictly activate a device that created an anti-magnetic field to prevent Magneto from directly affecting his armor again. If his armor were not magnetic, he'd never need to do this.

Exactly. In a flip of a switch he rendered Magneto useless. We've both agreed that he learns immensely from the very....very few mistakes he makes. We've agreed that. Knowing that Magneto exists and having fought him, is it so much to put past Doom that he made sure it would never happen again? No, but that's off topic.

-AC

Doom prepares for every possible contingency...so he says...and its not rare to run across magetism or electricity in the Marvel universe

Exactly.

I just keep looking at the thread title and laughing because it is that silly.

Some 2nd in command X-Woman who controls weather against a man who, if he wasn't from Earth, would probably be Thanos.

-AC

yea i guess some people can cling to the possibilty that Storm could give doom a fight...however, even if it were possible for Storm to hurt Doom, it would be much more probable that Doom would beat Storm...period

k AC do you honestly know anything about storm?? if you did then you'd know that she has gotten through 4 peoples forcefields. and that she has done that air sucking thing

She can create acid rain and it'll burn Doom's eye. YOUCH!

maybe she could, it kinda makes since- in ultimate she once threatened a guy and said she would make it acid rain or somethin like that

the acid rain would dmaage Doom's armor. wouldni it?

prolly

Hahahahaha.

Asks me if I know anything about Storm then has the nerve to say acid rain would probably burn Doom's armour. I know more about Storm than you would like to believe, read the comics for MANY MANY years. You obviously know NOTHING of Doom.

Now you think she can get acid rain in his eye and burn it? Hahahaha.

Give me a break.

I find it extremely hypocritcal that both Khellendros and Demigawd will see this and not pick you up on it just because they're both intent on trying to prove a point.

Learn about Doom before you speak in this thread. Acid rain burn his suit? The man has the best armour in Marvel (and for those about to say Iron-Man, don't. He doesn't agree with you, he agrees with me).

-AC

I can't believe this is still going on...

Originally posted by Khellendros
I've been saying that she can draw the air from his lungs. Doing this would keep his brain from getting oxygen FROM said air. I did not mean she would suck just the oxygen out of him. All she has to do is draw all available air inside his body and forcefield out and keepit moving at sufficient speeds to keep him from inhaling.

I've also read another preposterous comment (not sure if it was from you or not) that Storm would whip together a big tornado to hang Doom out to twist...that is really absurd. By the time she's done raising her arms and her whole spiel of, "I summon the Mississippi winds" or whatever she'll be zapped into the middle of next week.

I also noticed you quoted me earlier in a weak and pale attempt to discredit me and others...I think if you bother to read through the 30 other pages of this thread, you will find plenty of "informative and well backed posts" from myself, Wynndar, AC (especially) and few others. Marching into a thread riding a high horse with a holier than thou attitude certainly does not impress anyone, especially me.

Let's look at it from another angle. I was discussing comics on the bus today with Vic, he raised an interesting point.

Imagine you walked up to Doom and said "You've gotta fight Storm"....what do you think his reaction would be? A laugh, probably. If you said to Storm "You've got to fight Dr. Doom", she'd shit herself.

As Wynndar correctly pointed out, Doom's suit is sealed, hence why he survives in Space.

One thing I wanna point out, particularly to Khell and Demi:

You can list all Storm's options, that's fine. What's to say Doom isn't gonna kill her before she does this? Are you gonna reply with "She'd dodge"? Or something similar to that? Doom has to pull out a gun and shoot, extend his arms and fire, or some other method. All while under his shield or by raising his shield instantly. Storm cannot instantly change the weather and attack, it takes time to build fog, time to create storms. Doom can and likely would take her out before she did all of this. You said yourself, all it takes is one shot.

If you admit that all it takes for Doom to win is a connecting shot, then that's it. Because hitting her once isn't hard. "Behind fog it is". Yeah? What if she's dead before she creates it?

Doom wins.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah but this is all reliant upon you hoping she can get inside his shield, which we have been over many times. This also relies on the woman's ability to actually suck oxygen out of a human body, hahaha.

So? Doom winning is reliant upon him hitting her. Everybody's idea is reliant upon it actually happening. What's your point? Doom has missed people before, Storm has penetrated forcefields before, Storm has deprived someone of air before.

Doom shoots her, he hits her, he wins. Doom shoots her, he misses her, she suffocates him, she wins. Storm blinds Doom, he can't get a shot off, she overloads his shields, she wins. Storm blinds Doom, he manages to get a lucky shot, he wins. Do you see? It's all reliant upon what we want to happen actually happening. So stop bringing up the fact that I "hope" something happens, because we're ALL debating based upon that. Yes, YOU TOO.

Oh come off it. If you had a near unlimited supply of action men dolls, would you go to INCREDIBLE lengths to protect just one, knowing that you have infinite more? No you wouldn't, well logically. Doom know what happens with his Doombots, he monitors them. If you truly believe that Dr. Doom is going to walk out with equal technology to something he created, then I question how much you know of Doom. He's more concerned about protecting himself than his Doombots and he's also more willing to do whatever it takes to survive, like kill. Doom's tech is superior because he has many things accustomed to only him, as you should know. Doombots don't need an air supply, they don't need as strong a shield, they don't need the full capacity intelligence of Doom. All of which the real Doom possesses, deny?

His Doombots include a molecular expansion gun, just like the one he has. They have gauntlets that discharge the same energy. They've casted spells in the past. They've shown all the same abilities in the past. If Doom includes all of that, what's the big deal of including the same forcefield? There isn't a big deal to it, so all evidence points that he gives his Doombots the same basic technology.

How do you know he's using different technology? You're just assuming that he's using different technology for himself - where has he said that? Where is it shown? You're just ASSUMING that he's using different technology, but what are you basing that on? Because he's DOOM? Get real...

Then if he hits her, it's done, no questions asked and no, you've named two ways in which you believe she MIGHT make it fail.

ok, and you're saying in the same sentence, "IF" he hits her. That's the question asked right there. He MIGHT hit her IF he shoots at her. You CANNOT say he WILL hit her, because you're not Doom. The best you can say is, IF he hits her. I've done no different.

There's no would. She couldn't overload it, she couldn't make it fail.

She could because she's done it already. You have no reason to assume that he's using different technology because you have no evidence that he uses any different technology than his Doombots.

And furthermore, what makes you think Doom would hit her? He's never done it before, right?

Prove me wrong if you can, although we've been over the shield thing many times and your theories just get worse and worse, lest we forget the breathing weather atrocity.

Oh, you mean the fact that when you open your mouth, the atmosphere from outside enters it? Yeah, some atrocity. Take that issue up with your physics textbook....

My "job" isn't to do anything for you. For someone spending most of his time assuming and believing (through nothing more than a text guarantee) that Storm beat the real Doom, are you in any position to assume that was actually him. Was it one of his dozen appearances? You've shown how you THINK she can defeat his shielding. Why does what you THINK become canon yet what I think needs oodles of proof?

Because I back what I think up with evidence of her doing it before. You back what YOU think up with sarcastic comments to hide the fact that you have no evidence. That's why.

I'm willing to bet that you haven't read many Doom comics if you believe Doom is gonna fight and actual fight, himself, with his shield down. It's a near impossibility.

*cough*Crushed by Thing*cough*burned by Torch*cough*

I'm sorry, what was that?

He doesn't plug his suit into the mains and go to work. It's not a simple as "It's powered by electricity".

Actually, it is that simple. When an electric current hits an active electric current, it overloads the current. You're a brit, yeah? Trying taking some of your shaving equipment to another country and plug it in. You'll see what I mean.

Magneto can't mess with his suit, metallically or technically, so Storm is gonna buzz electricity at his shield and it's gonna overload? Hardly.

Invalid comparison. Magneto tried to manipulate the metal in his armor and succeeded. Magneto tried after Doom de-magnitized it and failed. Doom got teleported away seconds later. That neither shows that Magneto is unable to affect it technically (he didn't try) nor what effect electricity would have on it.

Whether it's a different concept or not, if what I described failed in overloading it, a woman with considerably less power, no matter WHAT she's using, will not be able to.

power cosmic doesn't interact with electricity the same way. It's nature, not level of power that does the trick.

Exactly. In a flip of a switch he rendered Magneto useless.

He rendered Magneto's ability to manipulate his armor directly useless. BIG difference. Magneto has overcome magnetic shielding countless times. We have no idea what would have happened after Doom de-magnetized his suit because Doom was teleported away right after.

I find it extremely hypocritcal that both Khellendros and Demigawd will see this and not pick you up on it just because they're both intent on trying to prove a point.

Why is that hypocritical? Since when did Khell and I become the guardians of good reasoning? Everybody is entitled to their opinions. I don't see you countering points by people saying, "DOOM IS DOOM! YEAH!"

What I find funny is that you are assuming that Doom is just going to stand still and let her draw the air from his lungs. I can assure you that won't happen.

He doesn't need to stand there. Storm doesn't have to aim and Doom to make that happen, because it doesn't require targeting. She doesn't even need to be on the battlefield. She just needs to do it.

Let's look at it from another angle. I was discussing comics on the bus today with Vic, he raised an interesting point.

Imagine you walked up to Doom and said "You've gotta fight Storm"....what do you think his reaction would be? A laugh, probably. If you said to Storm "You've got to fight Dr. Doom", she'd shit herself.

Yeah, real interesting point. So...Doom is arrogant and Storm recognizes he's a threat? That's it? That's what your bus conversation was about? Pfft.

As Wynndar correctly pointed out, Doom's suit is sealed, hence why he survives in Space.

No, Doom seals his suit when he goes into space. That's why he has a four hour supply of air, for when he needs to seal his suit. Otherwise, he can't stay in his suit for longer than four hours, lol.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can list all Storm's options, that's fine. What's to say Doom isn't gonna kill her before she does this? Are you gonna reply with "She'd dodge"? Or something similar to that?

Sure. That's what I'd do if someone was shooting ME.

Doom has to pull out a gun and shoot, extend his arms and fire, or some other method. All while under his shield or by raising his shield instantly. Storm cannot instantly change the weather and attack, it takes time to build fog, time to create storms. Doom can and likely would take her out before she did all of this. You said yourself, all it takes is one shot.

Which makes Storm the underdog, but doesn't mean she loses the fight. Of course I acknolwedge that Doom is the favorite in this fight. Of course he is! But that hardly means he's win or that she's helpless against him. Her power is a lot more versatile and there are a lot of scenarios in which she'd beat him. Doom would have to nail her right away to get the win. If he can't do that right away, the advantage goes to her. And Storm is as much a survivor as Doom.

Originally posted by demigawd
So? Doom winning is reliant upon him hitting her. Everybody's idea is reliant upon it actually happening. What's your point? Doom has missed people before, Storm has penetrated forcefields before, Storm has deprived someone of air before.

No, that's where you're mistaken. Doom has many many more options than Storm does. This whole debate is reliant upon judging each person's ability to win the fight based on their character. Storm has bypassed forcefields, not Doom's. Storm has made it harder to breathe, she hasn't removed oxygen from a body.

Originally posted by demigawd
Doom shoots her, he hits her, he wins. Doom shoots her, he misses her, she suffocates him, she wins. Storm blinds Doom, he can't get a shot off, she overloads his shields, she wins. Storm blinds Doom, he manages to get a lucky shot, he wins. Do you see? It's all reliant upon what we want to happen actually happening. So stop bringing up the fact that I "hope" something happens, because we're ALL debating based upon that. Yes, YOU TOO.

What a load of crap, no offence meant (genuinely, don't take the word crap as an insult). That's not how easy it is and you KNOW it. Storm blinds Doom? How? Actually tell me how he'll be blinded long enough for her to suffocate him by moving his air around, despite his suit being sealed. Please.

Originally posted by demigawd
His Doombots include a molecular expansion gun, just like the one he has. They have gauntlets that discharge the same energy. They've casted spells in the past. They've shown all the same abilities in the past. If Doom includes all of that, what's the big deal of including the same forcefield? There isn't a big deal to it, so all evidence points that he gives his Doombots the same basic technology.

They obviously have to be realistic and offensive enough to pass as him. The fact is, when he has infinite amounts of them, I doubt he's too worried about losing them. He gives them the same basics, yes you're right.

Originally posted by demigawd
How do you know he's using different technology? You're just assuming that he's using different technology for himself - where has he said that? Where is it shown? You're just ASSUMING that he's using different technology, but what are you basing that on? Because he's DOOM? Get real...

...and you're assuming he's using the same tech. Mine, based on Doom's history and demenour, is more accurate. Don't say it's all about assumption the penalise me for assuming based on something rather substantial. It's hypocritical.

Originally posted by demigawd
ok, and you're saying in the same sentence, "IF" he hits her. That's the question asked right there. He MIGHT hit her IF he shoots at her. You CANNOT say he WILL hit her, because you're not Doom. The best you can say is, IF he hits her. I've done no different.

Yeah but that's a dud point. I could say "If I throw an apple it might hit that wall over there. The "if" doesn't demean his chances, it's just not a dead certainty he'll hit her. Just very likely, coz he's an incredible marksman.

Originally posted by demigawd
She could because she's done it already. You have no reason to assume that he's using different technology because you have no evidence that he uses any different technology than his Doombots.

Your boy Iron-Man has even said before that Doom's shield is the best there is. He even said that Doom's suit is better than his. This is a guy you believe capable of beating Storm, talking about Doom. A guy you think wouldn't beat her. The assumption I use to say he uses different tech is based on more than you saying he doesn't.

Originally posted by demigawd
And furthermore, what makes you think Doom would hit her? He's never done it before, right?

She's never blinded him before, or got into his shield before......right? What's quicker: Firing a gun/beams.......or conjuring up a storm?

Originally posted by demigawd
Oh, you mean the fact that when you open your mouth, the atmosphere from outside enters it? Yeah, some atrocity. Take that issue up with your physics textbook....

Hahahaha. Take that issue up with my physics textbook? Why? School is for physics, not Marvel. Get real. Don't give me that "They use real science and comic science". Yes they do, but you are abusing that. That weather/breathing theory is so ridiculous and you actually know it. I know you do because you know physics and you know full well they don't apply to Storm.

Originally posted by demigawd
Because I back what I think up with evidence of her doing it before. You back what YOU think up with sarcastic comments to hide the fact that you have no evidence. That's why.

You've shown her moving air. Not removing it, coz she can't. Even if she could, Doom's suit is sealed.

Originally posted by demigawd
*cough*Crushed by Thing*cough*burned by Torch*cough*

I'm sorry, what was that?

You said crushed by Thing, burned by Torch. Two of his main enemies.

*CoughKNOCKEDOUTBYABRICKINTHETORNADOESSHE'SMEANTTOHAVETOTALANDUNDIVIDEDCONTROLOVER,ITHINKTHAT'SWORSETHANGETTINGBEATENABITBYTHEF4Cough*

Originally posted by demigawd
Actually, it is that simple. When an electric current hits an active electric current, it overloads the current. You're a brit, yeah? Trying taking some of your shaving equipment to another country and plug it in. You'll see what I mean.

Doom isn't gonna be letting her plug anything in though is he? What is it with you? Doom purposefully overloads his own suit.

Originally posted by demigawd
Invalid comparison. Magneto tried to manipulate the metal in his armor and succeeded. Magneto tried after Doom de-magnitized it and failed. Doom got teleported away seconds later. That neither shows that Magneto is unable to affect it technically (he didn't try) nor what effect electricity would have on it.

It showed that even during the fight Doom already had a trick up his sleeve. That's Magneto, someone significantly more powerful than Storm. Whilst I don't agree with Magneto's overpowering, he's a VERY dangerous character. Storm isn't, not to Doom.

Originally posted by demigawd
power cosmic doesn't interact with electricity the same way. It's nature, not level of power that does the trick.

Nature? I've said before and I'll say it again, Galactus can summon more overall power than any natural force on Earth, he did so and aimed it at Doom. Doom's shield wasn't overloaded, THAT was Doom. Not a Doombot. Storm overloaded a Doombot's shield. If you need more proof that his tech is superior to the Doombots or that Storm couldn't overload it, well.

Originally posted by demigawd
Why is that hypocritical? Since when did Khell and I become the guardians of good reasoning? Everybody is entitled to their opinions. I don't see you countering points by people saying, "DOOM IS DOOM! YEAH!"

I haven't seen anyone say that alone, if anyone has....then they should be posting why, not just Doom is Doom. However, I'll say that it's true. Dr. Doom beats her not because of his name, but because of who he is. He's not a regular X-Man, he's an Earthbound cosmic by rights.

Originally posted by demigawd
He doesn't need to stand there. Storm doesn't have to aim and Doom to make that happen, because it doesn't require targeting. She doesn't even need to be on the battlefield. She just needs to do it.

Well that's a rather illogical point. The stips are, they meet and fight. She goes down. She can "do it" all she wants. Even without the stips, She is gonna need reason to fight him (which we know she wouldn't do, she owes him her life) and then he would know that she's attacking. So he'd fight back. When there's a fight, there's no set battlefield. It's not like they're in a ring, Storm flies out of bounds and Doom stands there telling her to come back. He'd go after her and he'd kill her.

Originally posted by demigawd
Yeah, real interesting point. So...Doom is arrogant and Storm recognizes he's a threat? That's it? That's what your bus conversation was about? Pfft.

Our bus conversation has nothing to do with this, just the point raised. Storm Vs Doom, just repeat it. Storm Vs Doom, it really is so one-sided. Storm is so outmatched in power and sheer ability. The point raised was that Doom knows he could kill her, Storm knows she couldn't beat Doom. Coz she got outsmarted by a Doombot and trapped. The only reason she survived is coz she flipped out. She got outsmarted and subdued by a DoomBOT.

Originally posted by demigawd
No, Doom seals his suit when he goes into space. That's why he has a four hour supply of air, for when he needs to seal his suit. Otherwise, he can't stay in his suit for longer than four hours, lol.

He seals his suit when he goes into space? Not only then. It's sealed. He doesn't stand there bonding the thing shut. Why are you throwing it tiny little eventualities to prove a point that you're clinging too? How did he walk around in Space on his own during Secret Wars with a 4 hour supply then? Hmm? Coincidentally, that's the same comic that Storm was one of many (all) X-Men that got the shit kicked out of her by Spider-Man. All while Doom was away making a ***** of his own team, the opposing team, Galactus and Beyonder.

-AC

Originally posted by demigawd
Sure. That's what I'd do if someone was shooting ME.

You can't dodge bullets. Neither can Storm. Beams are faster.

Originally posted by demigawd
Which makes Storm the underdog, but doesn't mean she loses the fight. Of course I acknolwedge that Doom is the favorite in this fight. Of course he is! But that hardly means he's win or that she's helpless against him. Her power is a lot more versatile and there are a lot of scenarios in which she'd beat him. Doom would have to nail her right away to get the win. If he can't do that right away, the advantage goes to her. And Storm is as much a survivor as Doom.

Thank you so much. Just proved my point. Doom would have to nail her right away to get the win? I don't agree but we'll go with it, Storm can't make thick, blinding fog instantly. She can't do all what you've said, instantly. So I'd say Doom would definately take her out right at the beginning.

-AC

Saying Doom has a 4 hour supply of oxygen or that that would be a factor is absurd. Just because Doom's armor is described in an index somewhere doesnt mean that its fixed and unchanging...i wouldnt even take anything on an index about Doom into account. Doom has survived in space, time travel, interdimensional travel, etc. in his suit, with no obvious modifications or implicit sealing or activation of his suit. additionally, Doom's armor is not the same as his Doombots. His armor is always changing and always different based on the scenerio. For instance, in the Onslaught story, when a sentinel was about to kill both Joseph and Rogue, and they were both totally getting their asses kicked, Doom destroyed the sentinel with one single blast from his gauntlet. Afterward, he spoke about how only he was smart enough to design a gauntlet capable of dispatching a sentinel in one blast, and how there was more intelligence in the palm of his hand than in the whole strategy of Onslaught. Whether or not this was really Doom, i dont know, but it was probably a robot.

I always bring it up, since so many people r just ignorant, READ FF #350! then u will understand how much more advanced Doom is than a doombot. It start with what appears to be a battle between Doom along with an army of Doombots storming castle Doom and assualting Kristoff...Doom is trying to get control of Latveria back from Kristoff, who thinks he is really Doom. when Doom is fighting Kristoff hand to hand he hears a device get activated that is far more advanced than what kristoff should be capable of...then Kristoff hears the sound too and has no idea what it is...then a blue energy rips through the entire castle and through the ceiling...a whole different Doom emerges, wearing a crazy silver armor. The previous Doom ends up being a doombot that was leading an army of other doombots...the real Doom in the silver armor, makes a gesture and destroys all the Doombots...then he says a secret word (Oroboros) and Kristoff comes back to he senses and realizes he isnt Doom....

again, Doom's armor is far better than his Doombots'.

Originally posted by demigawd
But under what circumstances would her defensive strategies not be available? Her ability and willingness to use her atmospheric control for defensive purposes is as much a given as Doom's ability and willingness to use his forcefield.

It's not about willingness. You actually know there is a difference. Don't see why I'm going through the humouring routine.

Doom HAS a forcefield. Use it, or not.

Storm MAY be able to employ that strategy, she might not choose to. She may be prevented. Doom may fly after her. She might not pull it off.

The difference between those two options is literally concrete.

You argued the difference between Jean and Sue's winning coming down to the speed of a single thought, and yet you fail to acknowledge the fundamental difference here.

I diagnose intermittent beneficial myopia.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know what you've been saying and I know what it means. You are operating heavily under the assumption that she can work beyond his forcefield which is all she's hanging on by. Second of all, you're saying that she's gonna remove the air from him and move it around (more or less) so he can't breathe it in?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahahahahaha. "If they happen upon neutral ground and Storm decides she wants to bring him down...." let's look at this line. Seeing as we're talking about likely events, how likely is Storm gonna wanna randomly take out Dr. Doom? Talk about a contradiction. You are again assuming alot. The purpose of this battle is that they meet to fight, I took the liberty of asking Count Quan, and those were the stips he gave me. They meet to fight. So yes, he will be trying to kill her. Think before you act.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I expected much more of you than to use the "Do you not understand?" technique. Hmm, very cliched. Ok so lets go with yours. She spins lots of dust around him....what then? I'm curious.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Telling me that I don't know what a vortex is doesn't mean it's true, just popping that one in there. Second, if you mean ANY level of "vortex" then yes of course she can create tornadoes, which are, by definition, vortexes. Can she create something that removes oxygen? No, she's not The Silver Surfer. She isn't that capable.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Dust devil? What the hell are you a comic debater or a household appliance salesman? Nothing minor is gonna affect Doom, let's clear that up.

dust devil
n.

A small whirlwind, usually of short duration, that swirls dust, debris, and sand to great heights.

I'm not saying a dust devil would toss him around. I'm not and I never did. My point is that it doesn't take much of a dust storm to bring visibility down to zero.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She sees weather patterns...that's why she is called Storm. "Dodge his gauntlet blasts until she loses him", what the hell? How is Storm able to dodge everything Doom throws at her yet to you, Doom cannot avoid dust? Rather silly....no I take that back. Extremely silly.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The man stands there overcharging his suit with many multiple thousands of volts. Come up with something else.

Originally posted by Wynndar
I dont think Storm can control the air in a person's lungs...she can control weather...not control air...there is a difference. secondly, concerning the vortex thing...i dont think this would work on Doom either...his suit is sealed.

Originally posted by Lord S
What I find funny is that you are assuming that Doom is just going to stand still and let her draw the air from his lungs. I can assure you that won't happen.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Saying Doom has a 4 hour supply of oxygen or that that would be a factor is absurd. Just because Doom's armor is described in an index somewhere doesnt mean that its fixed and unchanging...i wouldnt even take anything on an index about Doom into account.

Originally posted by Wynndar
For instance, in the Onslaught story, when a sentinel was about to kill both Joseph and Rogue, and they were both totally getting their asses kicked, Doom destroyed the sentinel with one single blast from his gauntlet. Afterward, he spoke about how only he was smart enough to design a gauntlet capable of dispatching a sentinel in one blast, and how there was more intelligence in the palm of his hand than in the whole strategy of Onslaught.

Originally posted by Wynndar
I always bring it up, since so many people r just ignorant, READ FF #350! then u will understand how much more advanced Doom is than a doombot. It start with what appears to be a battle between Doom along with an army of Doombots storming castle Doom and assualting Kristoff...Doom is trying to get control of Latveria back from Kristoff, who thinks he is really Doom. when Doom is fighting Kristoff hand to hand he hears a device get activated that is far more advanced than what kristoff should be capable of...then Kristoff hears the sound too and has no idea what it is...then a blue energy rips through the entire castle and through the ceiling...a whole different Doom emerges, wearing a crazy silver armor. The previous Doom ends up being a doombot that was leading an army of other doombots...the real Doom in the silver armor, makes a gesture and destroys all the Doombots...then he says a secret word (Oroboros) and Kristoff comes back to he senses and realizes he isnt Doom...

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Storm MAY be able to employ that strategy, she might not choose to. She may be prevented. Doom may fly after her. She might not pull it off.

The difference between those two options is literally concrete.

he wasnt on either side...the doombots or kristoff...u missed the point and need to read the comic and learn what ur talking about