Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Firstly, Hulk never got killed by Storm....ever. He battered Cable and Storm and she charged up some biggest lightning bolt ever to stop him.....for a bit.

Secondly, why are you saying "Doom's ego WOULDN'T allow that"? When did you get the authority to decide how Dr. Doom fights? Or do you just think you did? Oh yes.

Storm's powers, factually (yes, factually), are NOWHERE NEAR as concentrated as to control the air in his lungs. They are not, so take that theory to the book shelf. She is not that strong.

Why is it ok for you to specify that she wins by suffocating the man from the clouds, yet when anyone else brings up one of the oh so many ways Doom could win, it's "Who's talking about that?". We are.

She can fly about all she wants, fact is, she can't do all this in seconds. She's a skilled flyer but she Doom is more skilled at shooting than she is at dodging, let's not make any mistake there. Let us also not forget that Doom CAN and HAS flown. So where this huge assumption comes from that he's gonna be running around on the ground shouting "OI! OI! COME DOWN!", I'll never know.

FURTHER, why do you quote the first post from every person and then act as though that's all they've said? Most of those people have said more than that, much more. I made sure to go through every page before I brought up those who voted for Doom. Now what else was I gonna say....oh yes....

Why are you ruling out Doom's ways of winning? I touch on this earlier. "His ego wouldn't allow it", "She'd be covered in clouds he couldn't shoot her", "She killed Hulk", "She can use EMP" *COughcoughBS*.

That still puzzles me, that you find it OK to bring up The Hulk fight. Wynndar brought up many cases in which Doom has fought and won at a cosmic level, oh........it wasn't relevent was it? No. Such a hypocrite.

Bottom line is, outside of ruling out what we don't like (but if fact), Doom has more ways to wipe her out before she even makes a raindrop. Would he? Probably.

-AC

For a bit? Hulk was quite dead. I understand death is a temporary state in comics, but really....

She didn't leave him that way coz nobody actually believes she is capable of ending a fight by killing Hulk, realistically.

Why do Storm fans have some compulsive topic-straying thing going on?

-AC

Originally posted by Khellendros
Actually, even if you aren't joking, there are thigns that let you see the infrared spectrum. But, Storm can control the temperature around her, making the area warm enough to obscure her to heat vision.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She didn't leave him that way coz nobody actually believes she is capable of ending a fight by killing Hulk, realistically.

Why do Storm fans have some compulsive topic-straying thing going on?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, why are you saying "Doom's ego WOULDN'T allow that"? When did you get the authority to decide how Dr. Doom fights? Or do you just think you did? Oh yes.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Storm's powers, factually (yes, factually), are NOWHERE NEAR as concentrated as to control the air in his lungs. They are not, so take that theory to the book shelf. She is not that strong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it ok for you to specify that she wins by suffocating the man from the clouds, yet when anyone else brings up one of the oh so many ways Doom could win, it's "Who's talking about that?". We are.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She can fly about all she wants, fact is, she can't do all this in seconds. She's a skilled flyer but she Doom is more skilled at shooting than she is at dodging,

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
let's not make any mistake there. Let us also not forget that Doom CAN and HAS flown. So where this huge assumption comes from that he's gonna be running around on the ground shouting "OI! OI! COME DOWN!", I'll never know.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you ruling out Doom's ways of winning? I touch on this earlier. "His ego wouldn't allow it", "She'd be covered in clouds he couldn't shoot her", "She killed Hulk", "She can use EMP" *COughcoughBS*.

That still puzzles me, that you find it OK to bring up The Hulk fight. Wynndar brought up many cases in which Doom has fought and won at a cosmic level, oh........it wasn't relevent was it? No. Such a hypocrite.

I brought up the Hulk fight in response to Wynndar. Stormfront asked when she did it, and I answered. Nothing more. Doom fighting at a cosmic level is only relevant to me if they tried sucking the air out of his lungs and suffocating him. I might find something unrelated to that INTERESTING, but not relevant to MY argument.

My point with quoting all those other posts is that not everyone is going past the "hay guyz doom beat cosmic ppls lol he can take strom" mentality in their posts. This entire forum is acutely aware of Doom's accomplishments. In my opinion, bringing them up has little bearing on arguments such as demi and I have made.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Waht the HELL are you talking about? She didn't leave him dead because nobody believed she could? That is some of the worst logic I have ever heard. Face facts, scooter. His heart was stopped and his brain was fried. Their plan was to only shut down his brain for a second. She hit him TOO hard, and Cable was shocked when he realized he was dead. It wasn't her best lightning bolt ever, the fact is she OVERestimated the strength she would have to bring to bear. She didn't even look tired, just sad that she had killed him. If Cable hadn't stayed behind, cleared up Hulk's mind, and made her jolt his chest, they would have walked away from a big green corpse.

I never said it was her best, I said it was one of her biggest, coz it was. If you seriously.........SERIOUSLY, believe that Storm is now a match for The Hulk....I question you. I say again, do your kind have some intense topic-straying ability?

Originally posted by Khellendros
What, Doom now considers some random Xmen such a threat, he's going to knock her powers out when she's RUNNING AWAY? Doubtful.

Why is it doubtful? Coz you want it to be? He's Dr.Doom, not a samaritan. Why are you saying he won't do things that he could very possibly do?

Originally posted by Khellendros
Look. I know this is going to come as a shock to you. But, just because you use the word factually in a sentence doesn't make it true. She is that strong. She doesn't have to control JUST the air in his lungs, she only has to create a vortex inside his forcefield that sucks all air outward away from his body.

Wow that was pretty, like a flower. Doesn't change the fact that you told me how strong you think she is. I don't care how strong you think she is, she isn't that strong. Theoretically, I'm not doubting that someone with powers in that area could do such a thing. However, she has not been to or stayed at that level. Her powers are not that concentrated.

Originally posted by Khellendros
It's okay to bring it up, because they're saying that to me, and I'm not debating all the random facts they wanna try and throw at me. Demi tried that and he got frustrated by it all. I might argue with some of them, but I'm not going to bother with every theory thown out here, someone else can do that. I'm making the point that she can win by suffocating him.

Yeah and how is she doing to do that? Her powers are not that concentrated. This whole thread has been consistant for Doom. For Storm it's gone from "Short Circuit his suit" to "Create a mini vortex and suck out the air". If I didn't know better I'd say you wrote for X-Men.

Originally posted by Khellendros
That's really a matter of opinion. And still, even if her winds can't hurt him,t hey do have other uses, like obscuring his sight. And, if he's using an energy weapon, she could create a whirlwind of larger debris to weaken the blasts(a plasma bolt can only shatter so many fist sized rocks before it dissipates) while she retreats.

I think you'll find it's not. Doom is a skilled marksman, where's Storm's evasive medal? Where were her skills when she got knocked out by her own debris? Wind obscures sight now? On a windy day, if I walk out of my house I don't suddenly go blind. What the hell are YOU talking about now? Creating debris whirlwinds hasn't served her too well in the past has it? While she retreats? Why would she retreat? Because she can't win? Because she doesn't wanna die? Or because that little BS theory about Vortex's really isn't true? Bang.

Originally posted by Khellendros
I'm not assuming anything. Let's not forget, though, that to Storm flying as is natural as walking. Plus, like I said, she can use her powers to obscure his vision while she retreats. She can create the vortex to suck the air out of his lungs just as well if he's in the air as if he's on the ground.

You keep saying retreats, which would mean a Doom win. So A) Thanks for proving my point and B) If she can do this vortex thing (which she can't) then she wouldn't need to retreat. You are contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Not every word in my posts have to be just about how Storm can beat Doom. I'm allowed to spread around a little semi-related Storm knowledge while I'm at it.

Spreading around Storm knowledge doesn't help her win a fight that she can't win. I can stand here all day telling you about how skillful Hydro-Man is with water, doesn't mean he's gonna go drown the Hulk does it? Pfft.

Originally posted by Khellendros
My point with quoting all those other posts is that not everyone is going past the "hay guyz doom beat cosmic ppls lol he can take strom" mentality in their posts. This entire forum is acutely aware of Doom's accomplishments. In my opinion, bringing them up has little bearing on arguments such as demi and I have made.

Just as you bringing up Hulk has little bearing on what we have ALL said about Doom. All Storm has been hanging on with is the vortex crap. I've said it before and I will say it again, she's just Storm. She cannot beat Dr. Doom. Not because he's Doom, because he's out of her league, by a very very long way.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said it was her best, I said it was one of her biggest, coz it was. If you seriously.........SERIOUSLY, believe that Storm is now a match for The Hulk....I question you. I say again, do your kind have some intense topic-straying ability?

Why is it doubtful? Coz you want it to be? He's Dr.Doom, not a samaritan. Why are you saying he won't do things that he could very possibly do?

Wow that was pretty, like a flower. Doesn't change the fact that you told me how strong you think she is. I don't care how strong you think she is, she isn't that strong. Theoretically, I'm not doubting that someone with powers in that area could do such a thing. However, she has not been to or stayed at that level. Her powers are not that concentrated.

Yeah and how is she doing to do that? Her powers are not that concentrated. This whole thread has been consistant for Doom. For Storm it's gone from "Short Circuit his suit" to "Create a mini vortex and suck out the air". If I didn't know better I'd say you wrote for X-Men.

I think you'll find it's not. Doom is a skilled marksman, where's Storm's evasive medal? Where were her skills when she got knocked out by her own debris? Wind obscures sight now? On a windy day, if I walk out of my house I don't suddenly go blind. What the hell are YOU talking about now? Creating debris whirlwinds hasn't served her too well in the past has it? While she retreats? Why would she retreat? Because she can't win? Because she doesn't wanna die? Or because that little BS theory about Vortex's really isn't true? Bang.

You keep saying retreats, which would mean a Doom win. So A) Thanks for proving my point and B) If she can do this vortex thing (which she can't) then she wouldn't need to retreat. You are contradicting yourself.

Spreading around Storm knowledge doesn't help her win a fight that she can't win. I can stand here all day telling you about how skillful Hydro-Man is with water, doesn't mean he's gonna go drown the Hulk does it? Pfft.

Just as you bringing up Hulk has little bearing on what we have ALL said about Doom. All Storm has been hanging on with is the vortex crap. I've said it before and I will say it again, she's just Storm. She cannot beat Dr. Doom. Not because he's Doom, because he's out of her league, by a very very long way.

-AC

It's doubtful because Doom is an arrogant person who has no reason to hurt someone who he not only would consider beneath him, but also thinks owes him a favor.

She can do it inside a skintight forcefield, she can do it inside Doom's.

Well, good thing you do know better. those aren't alla rguments I made, so why are you bothering me about them? Aren't different people allowed to make different arguments for why Storm would win? I'll save you the time. Yes, they are.

If you walk out into a wind blowing sand and dirt in your face, you're gonna be stumbling around for a bit. I'm not saying she would retreatfrom the fight, I'm saying she would get away from Doom, without acting threatening, to keep him from considering her a threat. It's called giving your enemy a false sense of security.

I don't mean retreat from the fight. I mean fly off to lull him into thinking she doesn't want a fight and get out of sight to gain time to concentrate. Have you ever held your breath? Yeah. You don't automatically pass out, do you? No one would just stand there in front fo Doom while he was suffocating but could still fire off a shot. She CAN do it, but the smart thing would be to catch him when he can't easily find you.

Spreading around Storm knowledge around won't wint he debate, but it is fun. Me and my pesky topic straying.

See, it's that "out of his league" thinking that would make this such an easy victory. In his mind, he's f*cking DOOM, what is some random mutant who looks like she's running off at top speed going to do to him? That is exactly the kind of reaction he would have, and exactly the thing that would let Storm win.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Biggest, best, when we're talking about lightning, what's the difference. And, yes, I do have a problem staying on topic. I saw an opportunity to bring up something interesting about Storm. So sue me.

Not the wisest thing to have said but you said it. Noted.

Originally posted by Khellendros
It's doubtful because Doom is an arrogant person who has no reason to hurt someone who he not only would consider beneath him, but also thinks owes him a favor.

Then while we're getting into character attributes, he saved Storm's life once. She's not gonna do anything to him coz if it wasn't for him she'd be dead. Ping.

Originally posted by Khellendros
She can do it inside a skintight forcefield, she can do it inside Doom's.

This is all you got? She needs to be able to do it first. Seems to long-jumped that little tidbit.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Well, good thing you do know better. those aren't alla rguments I made, so why are you bothering me about them? Aren't different people allowed to make different arguments for why Storm would win? I'll save you the time. Yes, they are.

Wouldn't it help if they were true and stuff? Those things you're saying? I'll save you the time chum, yes they would.

Originally posted by Khellendros
If you walk out into a wind blowing sand and dirt in your face, you're gonna be stumbling around for a bit. I'm not saying she would retreatfrom the fight, I'm saying she would get away from Doom, without acting threatening, to keep him from considering her a threat. It's called giving your enemy a false sense of security.

You said she'd retreat, twice. I've direct quoted you. Stop trying to worm out of it.

Whoa whoa whoa. It's called giving your enemy a false sense of security? So many things wrong with that. A) When did she go from retreating to just getting away. B) You are quite ok to assume she would do this out-of-the-way tactic but to say Doom would shoot her isn't good? C) This is Doom. He's not gonna do a Bart Simpson. "Wow, I'm safe, now I'll just turn around unprotected and confirm that safety". Let's be real. Blowing sand in his face isn't going to work either, because of the shield. Forget that?

Originally posted by Khellendros
I don't mean retreat from the fight. I mean fly off to lull him into thinking she doesn't want a fight and get out of sight to gain time to concentrate. Have you ever held your breath? Yeah. You don't automatically pass out, do you? No one would just stand there in front fo Doom while he was suffocating but could still fire off a shot. She CAN do it, but the smart thing would be to catch him when he can't easily find you.

Yeah sure that's what you mean NOW. You said retreat, we all know what retreat means. Don't try to sly it.

Second, I don't need to get into that "false sense" stuff coz I just dealt with it. She can do it? She can't. How do you answer that? You're are going by a very very out of the way theoretical eventuality concerning her powers. That's all she's hanging on by.

Seeing as you asked "Have you ever held your breath?", I'm gonna ask an equally stupid (but obvious question). Does dust stay permanently where it is? With the wind BLOWING the dust, it'll be gone soon after she stops blowing it. Doom isn't Professor X mate, he can move. He's not gonna stand there getting dust blown at him, walking further into it overstruggling like some Tom and Jerry cartoon. He will immediately try to get out of it of course. Such illogical points you're making here.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Spreading around Storm knowledge around won't wint he debate, but it is fun. Me and my pesky topic straying.

Putting it across like a positive doesn't make it one. Just lobbing that chestnut onto the fire.

Originally posted by Khellendros
See, it's that "out of his league" thinking that would make this such an easy victory. In his mind, he's f*cking DOOM, what is some random mutant who looks like she's running off at top speed going to do to him? That is exactly the kind of reaction he would have, and exactly the thing that would let Storm win.

You just answered the thread. Exactly. Exactly how you just put it is exactly how this fight is. Except you are clutching these crucial, desperate points. Cross of that last line and it's accurate. The only reason it's being questioned is because you're trying to pull Storm win scenarios and powers out of your posterior, it's not holding up too well.

-AC

Originally posted by Khellendros
Look. I know this is going to come as a shock to you. But, just because you use the word factually in a sentence doesn't make it true. She is that strong. She doesn't have to control JUST the air in his lungs, she only has to create a vortex inside his forcefield that sucks all air outward away from his body.

Wrong. First off, she has control of AIR, not OXYGEN. She can whip the air around all she wants, all he has to do is suck it back in because it's not going to get away from him. 'She'll move it to the edge of his suit!' No, she won't, his suit is pressurized, which means all of the oxygen is evenly distributed with no extra space left. It'd be like sifting jell-o. She ain't gonna suffocate him. If you say she'll force it down his throat, there is such a thing as breathing in through nearly pursed lips.

If you say she'll buffet him with winds, I say it won't effect him. He's stood up to sandstorms in HELL, made by MEPHISTO, who controls REALITY ITSELF in HELL. Here's a screenshot.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not the wisest thing to have said but you said it. Noted.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then while we're getting into character attributes, he saved Storm's life once. She's not gonna do anything to him coz if it wasn't for him she'd be dead. Ping.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is all you got? She needs to be able to do it first. Seems to long-jumped that little tidbit.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wouldn't it help if they were true and stuff? Those things you're saying? I'll save you the time chum, yes they would.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You said she'd retreat, twice. I've direct quoted you. Stop trying to worm out of it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whoa whoa whoa. It's called giving your enemy a false sense of security? So many things wrong with that. A) When did she go from retreating to just getting away. B) You are quite ok to assume she would do this out-of-the-way tactic but to say Doom would shoot her isn't good? C) This is Doom. He's not gonna do a Bart Simpson. "Wow, I'm safe, now I'll just turn around unprotected and confirm that safety". Let's be real. Blowing sand in his face isn't going to work either, because of the shield. Forget that?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second, I don't need to get into that "false sense" stuff coz I just dealt with it. She can do it? She can't. How do you answer that? You're are going by a very very out of the way theoretical eventuality concerning her powers. That's all she's hanging on by.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Seeing as you asked "Have you ever held your breath?", I'm gonna ask an equally stupid (but obvious question). Does dust stay permanently where it is? With the wind BLOWING the dust, it'll be gone soon after she stops blowing it. Doom isn't Professor X mate, he can move. He's not gonna stand there getting dust blown at him, walking further into it overstruggling like some Tom and Jerry cartoon. He will immediately try to get out of it of course. Such illogical points you're making here.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Putting it across like a positive doesn't make it one. Just lobbing that chestnut onto the fire.

You just answered the thread. Exactly. Exactly how you just put it is exactly how this fight is. Except you are clutching these crucial, desperate points. Cross of that last line and it's accurate. The only reason it's being questioned is because you're trying to pull Storm win scenarios and powers out of your posterior, it's not holding up too well.

Yes, but I leave that last line in. Thank you for agreeing that I've described Doom's personality so accurately. I'm saying Storm can make air spin around and pick up things like dust and dirt and maybe rocks. That's not a big stretch.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Wrong. First off, she has control of AIR, not OXYGEN. She can whip the air around all she wants, all he has to do is suck it back in because it's not going to get away from him. 'She'll move it to the edge of his suit!' No, she won't, his suit is pressurized, which means all of the oxygen is evenly distributed with no extra space left. It'd be like sifting jell-o. She ain't gonna suffocate him. If you say she'll force it down his throat, there is such a thing as breathing in through nearly pursed lips.

If you say she'll buffet him with winds, I say it won't effect him. He's stood up to sandstorms in HELL, made by MEPHISTO, who controls REALITY ITSELF in HELL. Here's a screenshot.

The winds won't knock him around in his forcefield, of course, but they can be used to create a moving dust storm around him. Cool, so he struggled forward. Never said the dust storm would knock him on his ass, I said it would help keep her from being seen.

EDIT: Off to bed now, so don't get all jumpy if I don't reply to any more posts right away.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Yeah, he's still a crackpot megalomaniac dictator who would take over the world yet again at the drop of the hat. Gratitude only goes so far.

Coincidentally as far as fighting, and in your eyes, beating Doom. You and I both know Storm isn't going to do that. If you wanna get into character attributes, then I can bring up the fact that Storm owes Doom her life. You can't switch it around when it suits you. Is this gonna become like a debate of Storm's morals? Don't bring up irrelevant things.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Well, you were the one who said her powers weren't that concentrated. If she can do it with the miniscule amount of space within Unus' field, it seems reasonable that she could do it in Doom's much larger field.

Size of the field doesn't matter. She did stuff inside Unus shield not Doom's, that's fact number one. Fact number two, that still doesn't show that she has the ability to suck oxygen out of his lungs. She doesn't, she's not that powerful.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Umm... all my facts are true, and my argument is at this point just an idea that can't be proven true or false, only argued for or against.

Exactly. You arguement for is not even relevent. You're raising such inconsistent points it's not even funny. You are trying to claim she has the power to remove oxygen from lungs, let's be real, she does not have that power. Ok? Ok. I've proven everything you've said so far to be either A) Sketchy, B) Inconsistent or C) Contradictory. You show me where's the fact.

Originally posted by Khellendros
A)She never went from retreating to getting away. I mistakenly used the word retreat. B)It's not bad to say he would shoot a person who seems to pose no threat in the back, just out of character. C)If she runs away, he could stand and wait until she was out of sight before leaving. If he was chasing her witht he intent to attack, the sand doesn't have to be right in his face, it only has to be thick enough to prevent him from seeing through it. I can simply surround the shield. Completely passive but effective use of her powers.

A) That's debateable. B) Out of character? Another contradiction from the guy who above labelled Doom as a crackpot megalomaniac dictator. I don't think shooting a mutant is beyond this man. C) If she runs away, it's a Doom win. It's a retreat. On all that other stuff you said, you're almost scripting the fight. None of that is certain and/or likely. Dust settles on a TV, it doesn't settle on a shield. Let's be absolutely down to Earth. You're saying she's gonna stop him seeing by making his sheild dusty? It doesn't matter what she does with the sand or dust or vaseline, if he has his shield up, she can't hit him. Whether he can see her or not. Another one of your plotholes.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Creating spinning winds is only a theoretical use of Storm's powers now? Uh huh.

I was referring to your assumption that she's some vortex creating, lung sapping superpower. She is not. Don't misquote to back up your failing arguement.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Again, you don't seem to be grasping the concept of a SWIRLING WIND. Kind of like a tornado, only just strong enough to pick up dust and dirt. Tornados and dust devils can, ya know, MOVE. Doom tries tog et out of it, the thing moves with him. He may get out of it eventually, but that's just more time Storm can spend getting out of sight. Just because I have to spell out the logic to you doesn't mean these points are illogical.

The thing moves with him? Tornado's aren't intelligent. If you mean Storm is controlling it, SO WHAT? He's in his shield, the wind and "dust" cannot get past it. Doom could stand there for all he cares. Yes, your points are highly illogical. I completely understand what you are saying. You are clinging to the one point that she could use wind to disorientate him, which is preposterous considering it can't get to him. Clutching at more straw than a blind farmer.

Originally posted by Khellendros
I'm not putting it across like a positive, just hinting a the fact that I don't care if it annoys you.

Then don't step into the thread as if you're King Kong, whoop out all these posts, get hammered and then go off topic to save yourself. It's called being respectful.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Yes, but [b]I leave that last line in. Thank you for agreeing that I've described Doom's personality so accurately. I'm saying Storm can make air spin around and pick up things like dust and dirt and maybe rocks. That's not a big stretch. [/B]

Yeah but what can making wind pick up dust and rocks do to Dr. Doom? Nothing at all.

Originally posted by Khellendros
The winds won't knock him around in his forcefield, of course, but they can be used to create a moving dust storm around him. Cool, so he struggled forward. Never said the dust storm would knock him on his ass, I said it would help keep her from being seen.

So now you've shifted your focus to her being shrouded. So what? She keeps herself shrouded. And? What exactly are you trying to prove? Why does this little point that you're fighting so hard to prove, matter? It doesn't. Creating a duststorm around Doom's shield. Great. So what?

Such irrelevant points.

-AC

See, I've read a lot of Storm fights, I honestly don't recall her creating Dr Doom-shaped dustcloud moulds like a Tom and Jerry bee arrow. She just blows stuff around. She controls weather. She doesn't create oxygen vortexes, controlled vacuums, weather based air removal systems, and so forth.

Think of it like this- Storm flies into the air, manipulates the weather. You zip your jacket up and stand under a bus shelter.

Dr Doom walks towards you with evil intent and it's toilet break time.

Originally posted by Khellendros
😆 Do you know what happens if you breathe pure oxygen for any amount of time?? You get high! They don't just put OXYGEN in diving tanks, the put clean air. Too much oxygen and it does funny things to your brain. That means Doom is carrying air, not pure oxygen. Besides, the idea that she can't control osygen in gas form when she can control H2O is iffy too. I'm not saying she sucks the air to teh edge of his suit, I'm saying she sucks it to the edge of his forcefield. And the human body can't inhale very powerfully. It wouldn't take much effort to create a vortex he couldn't breathe in. Air CAN be compressed, you know that, right? I never said she would force it into his lungs, i said suck it out. He does have nostrils, you know.

The winds won't knock him around in his forcefield, of course, but they can be used to create a moving dust storm around him. Cool, so he struggled forward. Never said the dust storm would knock him on his ass, I said it would help keep her from being seen.

EDIT: Off to bed now, so don't get all jumpy if I don't reply to any more posts right away.

I never said it was pure oxygen, I said it was air. She can't displace the oxygen in the air, and the suit is pressurized, which means the air will not be able to move in his suit because there is nothing to take its place. Don't you know about the laws of matter? You can't leave voids where no matter exists, and since his suit is pressurized, it means that the amount of air inside is equal everywhere. Therefore, if she were to move some of the air one way, other air would take its place. Considering his suit isn't an astronauts suit, and the mask's oxygen intake area is very small, theres not much she could do to suffocate him.

As for the dust storm around him, how exactly is that going to help her? He'll walk through it. If she's keeping it surronding him, then shes going to be concentrating on that, because, from all the comics I've seen, she's never really been too great at firing lightning bolts, creating torandos, and trying to suffocate someone all at once. All of which are completely useless. In this next screenshot I show Doom's ability to dodge. In the image he is dodging a blast of magic that came so fast, Strange himself had to use some of his most powerful shielding magic to block it.

Also, Strange's comment to Thing on the fact that Dr. Doom is causing a ruckus. It is plainly obvious that Doom has already taken over Strange, but note that he concedes, through Strange, that he used a cloaking spell to get the drop on him.

Those are good scans. And I thank you for them. In many ways, however, they prove our point. Doom CAN be affected by the outside environment. In the first scan, he's clearly struggling to get through the sandstorm. He's having trouble seeing, having trouble talking, having trouble walking. He's pressed on, but he's hardly in a position to do battle. Imagine having to face that kind of storm, but it's directed specifically at him, AND he's being attacked with lightning bolts and having his internal environment manipulated. He's certainly going down.

In the second scan, the very fact that he has to DODGE the lightning bolt shows that either 1)His shields really aren't up all the time and/or 2)That he knew it wouldn't be effective. That lends credit to the theory that lightning could actually overload his shields, something Storm did to Doom (or a Doombot) before. Why bother trying to dodge when you can just put up your shields and say, "Bah!"

The third scan was after Doom sold his soul to demons. All that proves is that even WITH power borrowed from hell, he still needs to sneak attack Strange in order to beat him. That shows that under no circumstances is he much of a magician on his own.

So overall, this serves to strengthen the case. Doom can't just put up his shield and not have any of Storm's storms just completely bounce off of him. He's going to struggle. That will give Storm every opportunity she needs to put him down.

As for the oxygen vs. air thing - let me correct you on something. PRESSURIZED does NOT mean that every ounce of something is taken up with air and thus unable to be changed. all pressurized means is that it has its own internalized environment with stablized air pressure. It's just as prone to being changed as anything else. Airplanes are pressurized - don't think you can't suffocate in one. Don't think someone can't take an extremely powerful fan inside a plane and blow you so hard you can't catch your breath and you collapose. Don't think someone can't suffocate you inside one. Because they can - pressurized or not.

One last thing - the AIR inside of your body is an extension of the atmosphere from which is derives. That's why she'd be able to manipulate it. Her power isn't control over the weather - it's atmospheric control, and that includes atmospheres of all types. Including pressurized environments, including sealed jars (that aren't vacuums), including the inside of one's body.

Originally posted by demigawd
Those are good scans. And I thank you for them. In many ways, however, they prove our point. Doom CAN be affected by the outside environment. In the first scan, he's clearly struggling to get through the sandstorm. He's having trouble seeing, having trouble talking, having trouble walking. He's pressed on, but he's hardly in a position to do battle. Imagine having to face that kind of storm, but it's directed specifically at him, AND he's being attacked with lightning bolts and having his internal environment manipulated. He's certainly going down.

In the second scan, the very fact that he has to DODGE the lightning bolt shows that either 1)His shields really aren't up all the time and/or 2)That he knew it wouldn't be effective. That lends credit to the theory that lightning could actually overload his shields, something Storm did to Doom (or a Doombot) before. Why bother trying to dodge when you can just put up your shields and say, "Bah!"

1) Thats a storm created by MEPHISTO, focused DIRECTLY on Doom and Strange. Doom doesn't have his forefield up at all in that comic.

2) The bolts aren't lightning, they are magical in nature, and he has entire suit's defenses are deactivated to prove to the other magicians he doesn't need his technology to fight.

3) The third scan is simply to state the fact that Doom does indeed know how to turn invisible, not that he's strong or anything of that matter.

Edit- About the pressurization, it does matter simply because the air is tied directly to his mouthpiece which acts as a form of a rebreather. Doom has taken electricity from outside sources and converted it to power his suit, give me a little while to find the scans. Lightning will do nothing to him, and the comic in which it did was simply there to give Storm something to beat him with.

Now, let's hear what Storm can do exactly to avoid an invisible, flying, gauntlet blaster wielding Doom, because the whole "Flys into cloud cover" is about as shifty a defense as Doom's forcefield (Which would block the lightning attacks )

EGADS! Second edit - Doom's suit is shielded from EMP and magical sources, I'm fairly sure there's some form of protection he's got going vs Storm, but I'll look into that.

i'm stunned by the amount of fanboy stupidity here....i do not know what to say.....shocking

to seriously believe that Storm can beat Dr. Doom.......
apparently your brains have a cloaking-spell placed upon them.

read a book and get a life....

Originally posted by Zahit
i'm stunned by the amount of fanboy stupidity here....i do not know what to say.....shocking

to seriously believe that Storm can beat Dr. Doom.......
apparently your brains have a cloaking-spell placed upon them.

read a book and get a life....

I don't see you contributing at all. Go away until you do.

go back and read the previous 40 pages of Dr. Doom vs. Storm.....