Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'd say we're not, seeing as there were 3 regular Storm posters (infact, about 5 overall), to the 20+ Doom posters.
But 17 of them are either making jokes are repeating the same, "Storm is just Storm, Doom is Godly!" point, which was meaningless the first time, much less the 50th.
Going by the definition of "Good" and applying it to the medium, I can prove a team to be good. You have deniability but it doesn't change truth.
But that's the thing - there IS no truth when it comes to the definition of "good". What is good? What does that mean? What makes a team good vs. making a team suck? The answer is entirely subjective...therefore it cannot be truth, because truth isn't subjective.
You never said "Well if you want to play that way" because if you did (I read your posts) I wouldn't be under the impression you seriously meant it.
You're getting it completely wrong. It went pretty much like this:
AC: Besides, Doom knows magic, he can just put up a magic forcefield
DG: What? He's never done that
AC: So what? He knows magic, he can do it
DG: But magic is a vague term. Not everyone who knows magic can do anything magical
AC: But he knows magic from Dr. Strange. It doesn't matter if he's never done it before, he knows magic, so he COULD do it.
DG: I only argue things that I've seen someone do in the past. That's why, until it actually happened recently, I never argued that Magneto could create a blackhole and dump someone in it, even though I knew that it was something magnetic powers could accomplish.
AC: But Doom knows magic, so whether he's done it or not isn't relevant.
DG: Well, if we're going by what people COULD do based on what their powers, I could easily say that Storm could affect the environment inside a person's body. The air inside a person's body comes from the outside atmosphere. She could, if she wanted to, affect that the same way.
Do I sincerely believe that Storm can do that? Now that I thought it up, yeah, I do. But scan this board and you'll NEVER see me use it as part of my list of Storm's arsenal, because I stand by my philosophy of only mentioning things I've seen a character do in a comic instead of assuming. I've seen Storm bypass forcefields, I've seen Storm overload Doom's tech, I've seen Storm destroy Doom's gauntlet. That's what I'm going by. So drop the whole atmosphere thing...arguing it does nothing to my belief that Storm would win.
Supposing we go by that, standard Doom is enough. Don't confuse "Standard" with basic. Dr. Strange wears normal clothes when using magic. They're incantations, nothing technical about them.
I know Strange wears normal clothes when using magic...because Strange is a REAL magician. Doom is not, therefore, he has to make pacts with demons, or get armor made in limbo, or has to prepare a pretty lengthy ritual to use magic. That's the difference between them, and that's why "Doom knows magic" isn't enough of an explanation.
See, you're saying it again. The atmosphere CONTAINS air.
Ah, see, that's where you're getting confused. Atmosphere doesn't CONTAIN air. Atmosphere IS air. I've posted this before, but since it seems you forgot, I'll post it again.
Webster's definition of atmosphere:
1 a : the gaseous envelope of a celestial body (as a planet) b : the whole mass of air surrounding the earth
2 : the air of a locality
Therefore, if you control the atmosphere (Storm does), and you breathe in the atmosphere, then that same atmosphere that you breathed in is subject to the same kind of control that the atmosphere had before it entered you. There's nothing special about it entering your body vs. entering a box vs. a glass jar vs. an enclosed room. They're all cut off containers of that atmosphere - she's controlled them all in the past, the body should be no exception, scientifically speaking.
But again, none of this has anything to do with any of my reasons for why Storm would beat Doom. I never cited this as such.
It makes perfect sense. Dr. Doom cares more about his safety than that of his Doombots. He doesn't care if a Doombot is blown up. I think he cares if he blows up.
Well, he would care if a Doombot is blown up because Doombots are basically flawless represenations of them. They've represented him in countless storylines and they've had extremely weighty and important roles in securing vastly powerful objects or advancing his cause significantly. We both know that. It doesn't make sense that he'd equip them with EVERYTHING he has, all the different weapons he packs...and then give them a crap shield. It just doesn't make sense. He'd make his bots as invulnerable as possible...and if that includes an invulnerable shield, then he'd do it.
Why are you operating under the assumption that he invented stuff especially for the Doombots? Is it not possible (it is) that he made them with you know.....existing technology and as time has passed (as it has a habit of doing), he has advanced the technology (like all good scientists) and made use of it?
I considered that possibility too, but Doom didn't always have his molecular expander gun. Once he started packing it, all of his Doombots started packing it too. So he upgrades his Doombots along with his new weapons and discoveries. No reason why that wouldn't include upgrading his shields too. Especially if he's fighting the FF all the time. You've never heard Reed say, "Hey...this Doom we're fighting is weird. Why's his tech all old? And look....that shield! What a wussy shield! This isn't Doom! Let's go home, ya'll". He takes pain to maintain consistency with his Doombots.
Stop trying to cheap Doom out of what you know is a more than likely possibility.
Stop trying to discredit Doom by making him seem like a lazy tech slacker.
What if one of those "walls" had something that completely prevented you from walking through it? Tangible or not? Those other walls don't mean shit because it would be your fault for assuming that you could walk through the next one. I see where you're coming from with this but it seems to me that you are just saying it's ok to assume and then that it's not. You can't be ok to assume that Storm could do it and then say I'm wrong to assume Doom's personal tech is better than that of robots he built. When proof or no proof, it's highly likely.
But the difference is, I'm basing my assumptions on something. I'm basing my assumption that Storm could operate from within his shield on the fact that she's done it with shields on many occasions. You're basing your assumption that Storm could NOT operate from within his shield on faith. I understand that having faith in Doom is warranted because he's DOOM, but Doom is NOT prepared for everything. Otherwise he could have fireproofed his armor and not gotten toasted by Johnny, or he could have had better circuitbreakers and not had his system lock up when Thing crushed his armor.
Look at it this way - if you had $1000 and you saw someone walk through five walls of different materials, and someone asked if you wanted to bet that they could walk through that sixth wall. it's a harder material, sure, but it's still just a wall. And this person has NEVER failed to walk through a wall. Of course, this wall has never been walked through, but no one has tried, either. Based on what you've seen, are you better off betting the $1000 or not betting it?
I don't know about you, but I'd bet the $1000 in a second...the evidence that the person could walk through any wall is overwhelming. The evidence that there's some technology in the sixth wall that prevents it...non existent.
He didn't only say that, he was speaking in general about tech also.
Right. Tech. He was in awe of Doom's tech. He wasn't comparing it to forcefields he's encountered, but he couldn't possibly accurately compare them. How would he know if Doom's forcefield is the best? Because it's never been broken? The Avengers run into "unbreakable" forcefields all the time. Galactus, Champion, Magneto, Thanos, Stranger, Graviton, etc.
Galactus is more than capable of doing something from inside his shield........right? Coz he can do anything. So why did he go all out to Doom's shield with zero effect?
I suppose for the same reason he chooses to eyeblast people and miss all the time instead of snapping his fingers and molecularly melting them.