Forced to stand up for the allliagence

Im sorry hun...........maybe someone else will. 🙁

Hmm well maybe..........(The Star Wars Expanded Universe is great, by the way 😛)

seriously though, i dont think people really pledge their allegience when saying it, but rather just recite text out of obligation.

whether or not they are patriotic, it just seems like an obligatory prayer session...and nobody seems to care about what it means, but just that everyone follows protocol and does it. i cant remember a single day where i recited those words and thought to myself "i pledge to remain loyal to my country and god...etc." i would see a body of text and feel no meaning...if that makes sense.

i dont think that even the most patriotic people study those words as they speak them. apart from goofing around, i spent many days listening to everyone else do the pledge...and it just sounded like droning.

As do I during mass lately. Rather sad actually. 🙁

And Bardock thats just SO wrong. 😂

Originally posted by PVS
seriously though, i dont think people really pledge their allegience when saying it, but rather just recite text out of obligation.

whether or not they are patriotic, it just seems like an obligatory prayer session...and nobody seems to care about what it means, but just that everyone follows protocol and does it. i cant remember a single day where i recited those words and thought to myself "i pledge to remain loyal to my country and god...etc." i would see a body of text and feel no meaning...if that makes sense.

i dont think that even the most patriotic people study those words as they speak them. apart from goofing around, i spent many days listening to everyone else do the pledge...and it just sounded like droning.

I pointed that out earlier and got complained at 😉

LANA 😱 You are back from class! Good deal! Unfortunately, Im no longer arguing this topic. cry

I was forced to pray daily through all my schooling and therefore rarely bother god, i feel he's heard enough from me 😇

You know I think that happens alot Smoke. I'm sure its the reason I rarely go to mass anymore. Doesnt make it right tho, just kinda weak on my part.

Yeah, PVS is right. Like was said earlier, all forcing the point means that a load of people who don't believe it have to say it. It is a pretty vacant exercise. Forcing people to do anyhting like that is highly sinister.

Well thats a different thing though, if you think that the Pledge should be abolished well than do something to abolish it, but as long as it is there well show some respect

I agree jp, i think when people are forced into doing something they become nonchalant about it, i know i do anyway....

bardock, where you forced into the world of Star wars EU? 😉

Showing respect is done by not disrupting it- not by being forced to do it.

Well I know that, but I just said I think people should not disturbed since it is respectful.

I on the other hand said, that they can'T be forced though.

And no I wans't forced in the SWEU, you don't hasve to be forced, it is just toooooo gooooood

Very well, then we clearly agree!

Fact is... it's pretty much wrong to force someone to do this kind of thing. Even if it is desirable for all US citizens to do so- another debate- it is still wrong (and, to be honest, counter-productive because they will only resent it) to force the issue.

True but, well I think showing some respect.....even if its not for the country, but for your fellow humans that want to do it, is a desirable thing.

Its a whole different thing if it is counter productive or wrong.

Well, let me put it this way. If, for whatever reason, you decide not to do it and are FORCED to... the last thing that will give you is respect for it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And no I wans't forced in the SWEU, you don't hasve to be forced, it is just toooooo gooooood

You have smoked too much weed in your time. 😂

True

and not True....did you ever read the Comics? they afre fujcking sweet, like a million times better than TPM

I would agree with the "imposing" tactic being sinister and counter-productive... A bit like the school hyms we had to sing as a kid in school.
It did nothing but negate me form wanting to learn anymore about them.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
You have smoked too much weed in your time. 😂

Pass the dutchie this way please 😮‍💨