Forced to stand up for the allliagence

Started by Fire13 pages
Originally posted by finti
ever heard of the war of 1812 Fire?

yea But I didn't back track that far, cause noone mentioned those soldiers

Just have stated in the last century or so.

We just discussed that one at Uni today tho

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
No whats wrong is the way people take the constitution and rework it to suit themselves.

No one's reworking it, JP, the constitution clearly grants us the freedom of expression, until it infringes on another person's rights. Not standing for the pledge does NOT infringe on another's rights, however, forcing someone to do so DOES indeed infringe on their rights.

It wasnt a contemptous statement of the board. That was fact, check the statistics fact man.

Fire, I'm sorry I didnt bring up each war. It was a generalization. My bad. Star I moved past the original argument. And if you want to use that freedom of expression thing, then that would mean it is ok for someone to go take a leak on someones car because they dont like that person and then say hey, you cant arrest me I was only expressing myself.

People need to get off there lazy hippie asses and just say the damn pledge

Well, I think you would do well to avoid making such wide-ranging slanderous statements and still expect people here to give you any respect.

If you do not want to engage in any point of view or fact that possibly diverges from your own opinion, it does make any form of meaningful contribution from you very difficult, as all you do then is resort to insults.

Like I say. The body of evidence shows that this is not a new phenomenon- all you can do is blame the young for something that is actually a long-term trend.

Originally posted by Napalm
People need to get off there lazy hippie asses and just say the damn pledge

People like you need to realize that you don't have any say in what other people do and get over it.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
It wasnt a contemptous statement of the board. That was fact, check the statistics fact man.

Fire, I'm sorry I didnt bring up each war. It was a generalization. My bad. Star I moved past the original argument. And if you want to use that freedom of expression thing, then that would mean it is ok for someone to go take a leak on someones car because they dont like that person and then say hey, you cant arrest me I was only expressing myself.

Not quite, that's defacing personal property.

Did I ASK for anyone's respect? Pfffft 😂 Thats ludicrious, I dont CARE if you agree with me. You really need to open yourself up to that fact.

Man yeah, that IS twisting the constitution to say freedom of expression gives you that right! Certainly twisting what Fire says.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
It wasnt a contemptous statement of the board. That was fact, check the statistics fact man.

Fire, I'm sorry I didnt bring up each war. It was a generalization. My bad. Star I moved past the original argument. And if you want to use that freedom of expression thing, then that would mean it is ok for someone to go take a leak on someones car because they dont like that person and then say hey, you cant arrest me I was only expressing myself.

You don't have to bring up each war you have to bring up one war (altho this will again result into the OTF discussion about the commitment of US TROOPS in both World Wars) in the last century in which American soldiers DEFENDED the rights of AMERICANS

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Not quite, that's defacing personal property.

Thats the law's take on it. But if the guy felt he was expressing himself, it's basically NO different.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Did I ASK for anyone's respect? Pfffft 😂 Thats ludicrious, I dont CARE if you agree with me. You really need to open yourself up to that fact.

Hmm, frankly, given the passion with which you argue the point and try and cast down anyone who disgrees, I don't see that as a believable statement. If you didn't care, you wouldn't post.

In fact, amny of the most positive things in US history have been borne out of protest against such measures as forcing people into social conformity.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
People like you need to realize that you don't have any say in what other people do and get over it.

And people like YOU need to stop running around B!tching about every little thing that happens

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Thats the law's take on it. But if the guy felt he was expressing himself, it's basically NO different.

...did you notice in my post about freedom of expression that it only goes so far until you infringe on the rights of another person?

Originally posted by Fire
You don't have to bring up each war you have to bring up one war (altho this will again result into the OTF discussion about the commitment of US TROOPS in both World Wars) in the last century in which American soldiers DEFENDED the rights of AMERICANS

I kind of think the whole going off to fight Hitler thing may apply here Fire. Just a thought tho. I guess had we not intervened there we could all be living in a Nazi state now, no? 😂

Russian, maybe.

Originally posted by Napalm
And people like YOU need to stop running around B!tching about every little thing that happens

Hmmm...who's the one complaining? Not me, I'm only stating facts, I haven't complained about a damn thing in this thread.

You seem to be the one complaining here...in fact, it's the only thing I ever see you do, is complain without backing up a single thing you say.

I think all americans should be forced to read the works of Locke and Hobbes who actualy came up with about half of the things that are in their constitution. I think that very few people understand those ideas very well.

Originally posted by Napalm
And people like YOU need to stop running around B!tching about every little thing that happens

And people like YOU need to stop running around B!tching about everyone running around B!tching about every little thing that happens.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Hmmm...who's the one complaining? Not me, I'm only stating facts, I haven't complained about a damn thing in this thread.

Unfortunately Lana, the people on the other side of this debate don't want to have any truck with differering facts.