Originally posted by Draco69
I didn't read the comic. I just to the comments of the other people and used it to my advantage.The above proves nothing (Except how much of wuss Titania is) and shows how Spider-Man had a lot of luck to defeat Titania.
The symbiote suit increases Spider-Man's strength from Class 10 to Class 15. It's pretty common knowledge.
You're denying the truth. Spider-Man cannot defeat nor hurt She-Hulk. The Titania argument is dated and void. Spider-Man would most likely retreat to fight another day.
Um, actually it "proves" that he is far too agile for She-Hulk to hit. She's nowhere near as quick as he is.
Prove that he went to Class 15. Any resource? <--- never mind, see the previous retraction now
Spidey has slapped around broads comparable to She-Hulk (who, btw, has been stomped quite a few times herself. She's hardly a top tier h2h combatant).
Spidey would most likely slap her around and get bored.
And yes, easy to deduce that you did not read the comic with those comments (her possessing class 50 strength, him having the suit first, et cetera).
And AGAIN, because you are Class whatever strength means that you cannot be HURT by someone of far lesser strength? Sooooooo why did Hawkeye (Class .075) put that arrow through...argh, whatever his name was from The Wrecking Crew's shoulder?
"Good lordy...I've been shot!"
Yeah, She-Hulk is more durable, but because you are far stronger does NOT mean that you are instantly more durable unless that is a character attribute.
Originally posted by Scoobless
it has to do with the points used in the argumentas for the earlier fanboy remark which i believed was inspired by my use of the word "gas"
the gas thing was used as one possible scenario he could attempt, he's a pretty smart guy science wise and would be able to try multiple approaches here
i also rebutted the "cosmic cube" thing as highly unlikely
and hasn't she-hulks intelligence decreased with here strength increase, recently in avengers dissassembled she started getting angry and could barely control herself
Fanboy is the key word. Spidey doesn't carry gas around with. It's gonna be hard to find a gas powerful enough to knock She-Hulk out. The gas argument in void. This Spider-Man vs. She-Hulk. Spidey can't pull something out of his ass for this match.
The cosmic cube comment is a joke. You're giving Spider-Man completely unfair advantages. As if Spider-Man finds a gas powerful enough to defeat She-Hulk out of nowhere.
Spider-Man is pretty smart. But unless he has a chemistry set, he's done for.
She-Hulk went crazy because of Scarlet Witch. She was using her reality-warping powers to alter her personality.
Originally posted by Never
Um, actually it "proves" that he is far too agile for She-Hulk to hit. She's nowhere near as quick as he is.Prove that he went to Class 15. Any resource? <--- never mind, see the previous retraction now
Spidey has slapped around broads comparable to She-Hulk (who, btw, has been stomped quite a few times herself. She's hardly a top tier h2h combatant).
Spidey would most likely slap her around and get bored.
And yes, easy to deduce that you did not read the comic with those comments (her bpossessing class 50 strength, him having the suit first, et cetera).
And AGAIN, because you are Class whatever strength means that you cannot be HURT by someone of far lesser strength? Sooooooo why did Hawkeye (Class .075) put that arrow through...argh, whatever his name was from The Wrecking Crew's shoulder?
"Good lordy...I've been shot!"
Yeah, She-Hulk is more durable, but because you are far stronger does NOT mean that you are instantly more durable unless that is a character attribute.
Saying I didn't read a so and so comic doesn't help your argument. It has nothing to do with this topic.
The arrow was a weapon given to Hawkeye by THOR just in case the Avengers came across a foe that was on his level. The arrows were magically empowered by THOR with the ODINFORCE. This argument is null and void.
You obviously completely ignored the arguments I made for She-Hulk's durability. If She-Hulk can withstand Ultron's ionic blasts, Count Nefaria's blows, Wonder-Man's blows and even Thor's hammer, then Spidey isn't going to do sh** to her.
She-Hulk gets stronger, more durable, and faster as her anger increases. Her healing factor is just icing to the cake. Spidey doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by Draco69
Saying I didn't read a so and so comic doesn't help your argument. It has nothing to do with this topic.The arrow was a weapon given to Hawkeye by THOR just in case the Avengers came across a foe that was on his level. The arrows were magically empowered by THOR with the ODINFORCE. This argument is null and void.
You obviously completely ignored the arguments I made for She-Hulk's durability. If She-Hulk can withstand Ultron's ionic blasts, Count Nefaria's blows, Wonder-Man's blows and even Thor's hammer, then Spidey isn't going to do sh** to her.
She-Hulk gets stronger, more durable, and faster as her anger increases. Her healing factor is just icing to the cake. Spidey doesn't stand a chance.
It has plenty to do with the argument considering you based your entire faulty premise on incorrect information regarding his fight with Titania, whose strength was comparable to She-Hulk's. When proven incorrect it all of a sudden was "probably trash writing," eh?
The arrow was not given to Hawkeye by THOR. LMAO, Thor did not even HAVE the Odinforce when he was in Secret Wars (you know, the comic book you DIDN'T READ?). Jesus Christ, what are YOU talking about? LoL @ null and void when you are talking about some OTHER episode.
Haha @ using exaggerations to support your argument. Count Nefaria and Thor would destroy She-Hulk. The "new" Wonder Man actually would also. But I digress.
She can't TOUCH Spiderman.
Aside from all of your other incorrect information, I will agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Draco69
Fanboy is the key word. Spidey doesn't carry gas around with. It's gonna be hard to find a gas powerful enough to knock She-Hulk out. The gas argument in void. This Spider-Man vs. She-Hulk. Spidey can't pull something out of his ass for this match.The cosmic cube comment is a joke. You're giving Spider-Man completely unfair advantages. As if Spider-Man finds a gas powerful enough to defeat She-Hulk out of nowhere.
Spider-Man is pretty smart. But unless he has a chemistry set, he's done for.
She-Hulk went crazy because of Scarlet Witch. She was using her reality-warping powers to alter her personality.
OMG............ once again...........the gas thing was one measly scenario of which there could be many
next....... i never once said he carried gas around with him........ read the post........ i said he could go off and get some (not that gas would definately work, obviously)
finally, back to the fanboy comment.......... it's a word thrown around a lot here, tell me the definition of it you are using and i'll tell you whether or not it fits me
Originally posted by Never
It has plenty to do with the argument considering you based your entire faulty premise on incorrect information regarding his fight with Titania, whose strength was comparable to She-Hulk's.
Faulty premise? More like like simple inaccuracies. It does nothing to help your case. These "faulty premises" does not guarantee Spidey's win. It's just poking holes. Nothing more.
Originally posted by Never
The arrow was not given to Hawkeye by THOR. LMAO, Thor did not even HAVE the Odinforce when he was in Secret Wars (you know, the comic book you DIDN'T READ?). Jesus Christ, what are YOU talking about? LoL @ null and void when you are talking about some OTHER episode.
You didn't specify the event. I assumed it was the more recent event where Hawkeye put an arrow in a Wrecking Crew member during the Lionheart storyline. Who ever this Wrecking Crew Member is, is obviously not as durable as She-Hulk.
Originally posted by Never
Haha @ using exaggerations to support your argument. Count Nefaria and Thor would destroy She-Hulk. The "new" Wonder Man actually would also. But I digress.
She-Hulk took several hits from Count Nefaria during the Thunderbolts/Avengers storyline. She got right back up. Thor hit She-Hulk with his hammer during the Morgan Le Fay storyline (she was possessed into thinking she was Morgan's servant). She got right back up. Wonder Man also traded blows with She-Hulk during the Thunderbolts/Avengers storyline.
Originally posted by Never
She can't TOUCH Spiderman.
Spider-Man can't HURT She-Hulk. Especially upgraded She-Hulk who took down the Champion of the Universe. Read her new series.
Originally posted by Scoobless
OMG............ once again...........the gas thing was one measly scenario of which there could be many
next....... i never once said he carried gas around with him........ read the post........ i said he could go off and get some (not that gas would definately work, obviously)finally, back to the fanboy comment.......... it's a word thrown around a lot here, tell me the definition of it you are using and i'll tell you whether or not it fits me
Where? Where is he going to get the gas? How? What gas? The gas argument has no bearing on this fight. This is Spider-Man with only his own powers and skills versus She-Hulk with only her own powers and skills.
It awes me that you people actually believe that Spider-Man can actually defeat She-Hulk in a straight-up fight. With luck and an environmental factor on his side, sure Spider-Man could probably find a way to SUBDUE her. But certainly not knock her out.
Originally posted by Zahit
is marvel going to upgrade all their characters?
One of the few actually, who still is the same.
Faulty premise? More like like simple inaccuracies. It does nothing to help your case. These "faulty premises" does not guarantee Spidey's win. It's just poking holes. Nothing more.
Let's assume Spider-Man can not knock her down (which he can by the way), tell me, how is She-Hulk going to win ? What can she do ?
Originally posted by Draco69
Where? Where is he going to get the gas? How? What gas? The gas argument has no bearing on this fight. This is Spider-Man with only his own powers and skills versus She-Hulk with only her own powers and skills.It awes me that you people actually believe that Spider-Man can actually defeat She-Hulk in a straight-up fight. With luck and an environmental factor on his side, sure Spider-Man could probably find a way to SUBDUE her. But certainly not knock her out.
i can't believe you are still focused on the gas thing...... i already explained it was used to show how spider-man could possibly use his brain and leave the battle to get something (not necessarily gas) and come back
the thread merely said "discuss" at no point did it say either combatant, realising they can't win with fists alone, couldn't do anything within thier character to help themselves
at no point did i ever say he could knock her out, but subduing her still counts as a win, lot's of marvel fights have ended with one person or team subduing another
Originally posted by who?-kid
That's why I like Spider-Man : just an average guy/hero with still exactly the same powers. No power ups, no upgrades, just plain old Spidey.Okay, let's try this another way 😉 :
Let's assume Spider-Man can not knock her down (which he can by the way), tell me, how is She-Hulk going to win ? What can she do ?
As I said in the beginning in this thread, Spider-Man cannot win. She-Hulk cannot win. It's a draw. Spider-Man's too weak to hurt her much less knock her out and he's too fast for She-Hulk to hit. Either Spider-Man begins to tire after several hours of dodging (She-Hulk's healing factor will take care of any improbable injuries she may sustain) and She-Hulk manages to luckily get a hit. Or they both say " F*** this! Let's get a drink together! And they all live happily ever after.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i can't believe you are still focused on the gas thing...... i already explained it was used to show how spider-man could possibly use his brain and leave the battle to get something (not necessarily gas) and come back
the thread merely said "discuss" at no point did it say either combatant, realising they can't win with fists alone, couldn't do anything within thier character to help themselvesat no point did i ever say he could knock her out, but subduing her still counts as a win, lot's of marvel fights have ended with one person or team subduing another
Who says he can leave the battle? Who says that She-Hulk can't just call the Avengers to help her kick his ass when he comes back?
Subduing isn't a win. She-Hulk would get out of anything he manages to throw at her. The only thing that could hold her is an adamantium cage.
Originally posted by Draco69
Faulty premise? More like like simple inaccuracies. It does nothing to help your case. These "faulty premises" does not guarantee Spidey's win. It's just poking holes. Nothing more.
Never said it did, now did I? You were the one running here with the "matter of fact" tee-shirt. You were wrong.
Originally posted by Draco69
You didn't specify the event. I assumed it was the more recent event where Hawkeye put an arrow in a Wrecking Crew member during the Lionheart storyline. Who ever this Wrecking Crew Member is, is obviously not as durable as She-Hulk.
And you ASSUMED that is what I was referencing -- at any rate, he lifts FAR more than Hawkeye, and Hawkeye INJURED him, disproving/countering your posit that a Class 10 character cannot "hurt" a Class 100 character. It does not matter how strong you are.
Originally posted by Draco69
She-Hulk took several hits from Count Nefaria during the Thunderbolts/Avengers storyline. She got right back up. Thor hit She-Hulk with his hammer during the Morgan Le Fay storyline (she was possessed into thinking she was Morgan's servant). She got right back up. Wonder Man also traded blows with She-Hulk during the Thunderbolts/Avengers storyline.
Count Nefaria, if he so chose, would turn She-Hulk into a puddle of green bile. So would Thor. Wonder Man actually is more on par with She-Hulk in terms of sheer power. Thor and Count Nefaria are WAY out of her league. I NEVER said that it did not occur. I said, quote, that it is an "exaggeration."
Originally posted by Draco69
Spider-Man can't HURT She-Hulk. Especially upgraded She-Hulk who took down the Champion of the Universe. Read her new series.
Yeah, and Juggernaut walked through Thor's GEB. Venon withstood Juggernaut's punches. Hello hyperbole.
And I SWEAR someone said a "high-caliber rifle" slug to the eye HURT She-Hulk -- maybe I misread that?
Yes, he can HURT her. I NEVER said he WOULD defeat her.
And now subduing isn't a win? LoL