PhoenixII(Rachel) vs Franklin Richards

Originally posted by leonheartmm
isnt there? creating a multiple universes all of which can give birth to the abstractsm galactus AND the elder gods among other things is no feat at all right, ur full of crap man

Originally posted by King KAM
a mini universe that fits in his pocket, thats nothing but reality warping and molecule arrangement...nothing more than cable on the juice.

my god u R full of crap. n no afterwards he created MULTIPLE, full SIZED, universes without even realizin n even travelled through em. he resurrected bloody galactus n ur comparin him to cable,

Originally posted by leonheartmm
my god u R full of crap. n no afterwards he created MULTIPLE, full SIZED, universes without even realizin n even travelled through em. he resurrected bloody galactus n ur comparin him to cable,

When did Galactus beat all the elder gods at once?

Last time I saw him he was struggling with Mephisto & Agamotto in their realms.

By the way Franklin Richards has defeated Mephisto in his realm, destroying him into shards, I didn't see the same thing from Galactus when he was in his realm.

mmm...good point.

I see it this way:

Franklin >= most powerful Celestial
most powerful Celestial > Rachel Phoenix
Rachel Phoenix > Galactus

Rachel Phoenix isn't really that powerful compared to Jean Phoenix, she lost to Set, even though that was in an alternative timeline, the powerlevels were all comparable. No disrespect losing to set though, he is a elder god.

Yes, but she did defeat Galactus. So that has to be respected.

Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, but she did defeat Galactus. So that has to be respected.

Yea I guess, but discussing battles between high-end cosmics is pretty vague most the time, too many fluctuations in power, galactus as a prime example.

Originally posted by Maestro
Yea I guess, but discussing battles between high-end cosmics is pretty vague most the time, too many fluctuations in power, galactus as a prime example.

True, but if we're going to bother discussing cosmics at all, we have to deal with the good and bad of it. 😉

But I'd say having Rachel Phoenix at or slightly above G level is fair. I put Celestials above them both, considering how much greater their feats are, and I put Franklin above even them, considering his reality warping feats exceed even their best showings. Based on feats, I'd say it's a pretty fair assessment.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
isnt there? creating a multiple universes all of which can give birth to the abstractsm galactus AND the elder gods among other things is no feat at all right, ur full of crap man

i agree, ur full of crap,
u underestimate franklin way too much
let's wait and see wat happens wen he finally gains control of all his powers

Originally posted by shaq4real
i agree, ur full of crap,
u underestimate franklin way too much
let's wait and see wat happens wen he finally gains control of all his powers

Which will never happen, of course. You'll be long dead and he'll still be eight years old. But yes, if Franklin WERE to master his powers, it would be too much for Rachel.

Originally posted by demigawd
mmm...good point.

I see it this way:

Franklin >= most powerful Celestial
most powerful Celestial > Rachel Phoenix
Rachel Phoenix > Galactus

Originally posted by Maestro
When did Galactus beat all the elder gods at once?

Last time I saw him he was struggling with Mephisto & Agamotto in their realms.

By the way Franklin Richards has defeated Mephisto in his realm, destroying him into shards, I didn't see the same thing from Galactus when he was in his realm.

Originally posted by King KAM
bullshit and pure idiocy an extremley weak galactus, he is never at 100% if he is at 100% they all die easily

There IS no 100% for Galactus. But you're entitled to believe what you want, and one day if you become a writer, it might actually reflect reality in the marvel universe. But for now, you're pretty far off.

Galactus isn't the third most powerful being in the universe, no matter how much you'd like to think so. It's below every Abstract, and lots of physical beings. Sorry to break that news to you.

Originally posted by demigawd
There IS no 100% for Galactus. But you're entitled to believe what you want, and one day if you become a writer, it might actually reflect reality in the marvel universe. But for now, you're pretty far off.

Galactus isn't the third most powerful being in the universe, no matter how much you'd like to think so. It's below every Abstract, and lots of physical beings. Sorry to break that news to you.

I agree Galactus can eat, like a mofo. I mean he can be satisfied with a planet, but he wont be hungry.
If he is hungry he is somewhat weakened. (or so marvel says.)

So Big G at 100% means when he isn’t hungry.

Originally posted by id369
I agree Galactus can eat, like a mofo. I mean he can be satisfied with a planet, but he wont be hungry.
If he is hungry he is somewhat weakened. (or so marvel says.)

So Big G at 100% means when he isn’t hungry.

Originally posted by King KAM
thats just not true my man, how can you be related to the most 2 powerful beings and not be one yourself? you cant galactus is right under inifnity and eternity

I thought you said Galactus was right under Eternity and Death. Which is it?

How can you be greater than Death when Galactus dies if he doesn't eat planets? And if he's below Death, then doesn't that mean he'd have to be below Oblivion, which is related aspect to Death?

So just answer those basic questions for me:

Is Galacus above or below:

Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion

and we'll take it from there.

being above someone in power doesn't mean that certain laws don't work on you as well ie don't eat and big G dies............however Death cannot just walk up to Galactus and kill him.

Originally posted by demigawd
I thought you said Galactus was right under Eternity and Death. Which is it?

How can you be greater than Death when Galactus dies if he doesn't eat planets? And if he's below Death, then doesn't that mean he'd have to be below Oblivion, which is related aspect to Death?

So just answer those basic questions for me:

Is Galacus above or below:

Eternity
Infinity
Death
Oblivion

and we'll take it from there.

Originally posted by soleran30
being above someone in power doesn't mean that certain laws don't work on you as well ie don't eat and big G dies............however Death cannot just walk up to Galactus and kill him.

Incorrect. Immortals are beyond the realm of Death - even Dr. Strange was able to stave off Death and saved Galactus in the process. The fact that Galactus is obligated to do something otherwise face Death is proof that he's below her. Remember, that's how Death works in the Marvel Universe...the victim's are CLAIMED. In order to claim Galactus, Death would have to have power over him.

Originally posted by King KAM
he is in there with them, power wise death is not equal to galactus nor is oblivion, but he will lose to eternity and infinity

Death and Oblivion are counterpoints to Eternity and Infinity. That's basic Marvel canon - it's the reason why the universe exists and is in balance. If Infinity were more powerful than Oblivion, then the population would spiral out of control and the universe would be unbound. Marvel specifically stated that they're equals. So how then can you justify you position that Galactus is more powerful than Oblivion and Death and less powerful than Eternity and Infinity? Especially when you consider that Galactus is in the domain of Death.