PhoenixII(Rachel) vs Franklin Richards

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Originally posted by Xplosive
Awesome power of the Phoenix Force. Vulcan didn't show that much of it's power, but it was something. Watchers are clearly afraid of it's power.

Agreed

It will always be a force to be reckoned with

Vulcan didn't wield the Full Phoenix Force.

What will happen next? What will Jean do?

I loved this, the whole time you think he is in control, Jean (I knew it was her the moment I saw pink speech bubbles) was. It was all a ploy just to get him to grow up and stop thinking that revenge and power were the only things he could do to make himself happy, he killed everybody he hated, destroyed at least 7 solar systems and still he was empty inside. He was well on his way to destroying the entire universe. I really liked the whole Summers/Grey family reunion feel. One question, since much of the story took place in the M'Kraan crystal and the WHR, is this considered cannon for the Phoenix/Jean, I mean I would personally call it that because the two places are nexus points for the entire multiverse and possibly the omniverse. Just curious.

Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, but she did defeat Galactus. So that has to be respected.

she beat HUNGRY galactus....didnt really beat him...drove him off.

she didn't drive him off, she was the one who left the fight after he admitted that he was on the verge of death and she was only getting stronger, Galactus is always hungry, and I somehow doubt that he allows himself to be in the brink of starvation before his next feed, that was the point of him having heralds so that they could find planets faster. If he had fed the only change would have been the fight lasting longer. He would have used his limited reserve he got from the planet, while she would be able to tap into an unlimited power source. She beat him because they fought and he told her about the damage she was causing by existing and she left him, weakened. What do you qualify as a beating? the way I see it is if we fight and I knock you on your ass and the only way to stop me from killing you is to tell me how I'm just as bad as you or worse and I was destroying the future by being, I still won our fight whether I left or not, nobody is going to say I barely beat you, there going say you took your best shot and was still floored.

Originally posted by LordKaos
I loved this, the whole time you think he is in control, Jean (I knew it was her the moment I saw pink speech bubbles) was. It was all a ploy just to get him to grow up and stop thinking that revenge and power were the only things he could do to make himself happy, he killed everybody he hated, destroyed at least 7 solar systems and still he was empty inside. He was well on his way to destroying the entire universe. I really liked the whole Summers/Grey family reunion feel. One question, since much of the story took place in the M'Kraan crystal and the WHR, is this considered cannon for the Phoenix/Jean, I mean I would personally call it that because the two places are nexus points for the entire multiverse and possibly the omniverse. Just curious.

i think it was 7 galaxys, and thats a huge difference!

Originally posted by LordKaos
she didn't drive him off, she was the one who left the fight after he admitted that he was on the verge of death and she was only getting stronger, Galactus is always hungry, and I somehow doubt that he allows himself to be in the brink of starvation before his next feed, that was the point of him having heralds so that they could find planets faster. If he had fed the only change would have been the fight lasting longer. He would have used his limited reserve he got from the planet, while she would be able to tap into an unlimited power source. She beat him because they fought and he told her about the damage she was causing by existing and she left him, weakened. What do you qualify as a beating? the way I see it is if we fight and I knock you on your ass and the only way to stop me from killing you is to tell me how I'm just as bad as you or worse and I was destroying the future by being, I still won our fight whether I left or not, nobody is going to say I barely beat you, there going say you took your best shot and was still floored.

i totaly agree with you except for the fact that by forum rules that is basicly a win for galactus.
she was definetly wining and geting the best of him no dout!
but she left the battle field on her own power, that is a loss here i belive

If we created a fight on the forum saying she ran then of course she lost according to the rules but, it was a "real" battle not a forum battle so forum rules don't apply to that particular battle (and that would still be based on what qualifies as a win he surely didn't look like he was in any shape to retaliate he all but said it) what applies is the outcome of the battle which is canon, he lost.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i think it was 7 galaxys, and thats a huge difference!

Yeah I noticed that after it was too late to edit.

Originally posted by LordKaos
If we created a fight on the forum saying she ran then of course she lost according to the rules but, it was a "real" battle not a forum battle so forum rules don't apply to that particular battle, what applies is the outcome of the battle which is canon, he lost.

absolutly in the comic she won that battle,
im just nit picking and being a pain. lol sorry about that

it's cool 🙂

Originally posted by LordKaos
One question, since much of the story took place in the M'Kraan crystal and the WHR, is this considered cannon for the Phoenix/Jean, I mean I would personally call it that because the two places are nexus points for the entire multiverse and possibly the omniverse. Just curious.
This story should certainly be canon, in some way/shape/form.

The main reason is because Gabriel traveled through the M'Kraan Crystal, [which exists throughout the Multiverse], to the Nexus point of ALL realities, [The WHR]..

From there he was able to kill the Phoenix of nearly every Universe, seemingly usurping their Phoenix-powers.

Most "What If's" take place in a singular divergent reality, which the majority of us generally regard as non-canon -- This story, however, would have taken place in just about every Universe making up the Multiverse, which again, should have made it canon..

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
This story should certainly be canon, in some way/shape/form.

The main reason is because Gabriel traveled through the M'Kraan Crystal, [which exists throughout the Multiverse], to the Nexus point of ALL realities, [The WHR]..

From there he was able to kill the Phoenix of nearly every Universe, seemingly usurping their Phoenix-powers.

Most "What If's" take place in a singular divergent reality, which the majority of us generally regard as non-canon -- This story, however, would have taken place in just about every Universe making up the Multiverse, which again, should have made it canon.

Indeed. M'Kraan, WHR may be Omniversal, as written in bios.
This story, indeed, did affect more beings from different Universes, Vuclan kileld them, they should be counted for a canon. And now Jean and Kid Gabriel are in WHR, which is also a canon.
Jean is WPOTC and there is only and WPOTC in existence.