Wolverine vs. Sasquatch

Originally posted by jinzin
no he upgraded wolverine.. he gave him an admantium skeleton and adamantium sword and some armor with special devices....

you want to use old horsemen to make a point but you forget the people he's enhanced STAYED enhanced...

archangel, caliban, etc etc.. so assuming you guys were right.. AGAIN I must ask who took away those enhancements?

Originally posted by jinzin
no he upgraded wolverine.. he gave him an admantium skeleton and adamantium sword and some armor with special devices....

you want to use old horsemen to make a point but you forget the people he's enhanced STAYED enhanced...

archangel, caliban, etc etc.. so assuming you guys were right.. AGAIN I must ask who took away those enhancements?

What I've always wondered about the issue of whether Apocalypse physically upgraded Wolverine is how was he able to walk through Scott's optic blasts? From what we know of the power of such blasts and the fact that Wolverine has be knocked down by them in the past, then it would suggest that he was upgraded in some way (unless there is another explanation for how he accomplished such a feat).

That brings up your question of who took away said enhancements. To be honest I do not think that that question has been satisfactorily answered in comics as of yet. However, it seems clear that Wolverine is no longer able to withstand Scott's blasts as I can think of two recent occasions (the bedroom scene in Astonishing X-Men and the cave scene in X-Men😄eadly Genesis) where the blasts have been able to knock Wolverine back/down.

I just read the Sasquatch info....Made some research...Wolverine gets owned....Badly....

Originally posted by TheKahn
What I've always wondered about the issue of whether Apocalypse physically upgraded Wolverine is how was he able to walk through Scott's optic blasts? From what we know of the power of such blasts and the fact that Wolverine has be knocked down by them in the past, then it would suggest that he was upgraded in some way (unless there is another explanation for how he accomplished such a feat).

That brings up your question of who took away said enhancements. To be honest I do not think that that question has been satisfactorily answered in comics as of yet. However, it seems clear that Wolverine is no longer able to withstand Scott's blasts as I can think of two recent occasions (the bedroom scene in Astonishing X-Men and the cave scene in X-Men😄eadly Genesis) where the blasts have been able to knock Wolverine back/down.

yet here is an issue way before death were wolverine just stands there as scot blasts him and wolverine goes no were he just stands there.

please prove how wolverine was enchanced since the reason u give is because he took scots blast well he done that before he was death also as in the comic stated above.

Originally posted by TheKahn
What I've always wondered about the issue of whether Apocalypse physically upgraded Wolverine is how was he able to walk through Scott's optic blasts? From what we know of the power of such blasts and the fact that Wolverine has be knocked down by them in the past, then it would suggest that he was upgraded in some way (unless there is another explanation for how he accomplished such a feat).

That brings up your question of who took away said enhancements. To be honest I do not think that that question has been satisfactorily answered in comics as of yet. However, it seems clear that Wolverine is no longer able to withstand Scott's blasts as I can think of two recent occasions (the bedroom scene in Astonishing X-Men and the cave scene in X-Men😄eadly Genesis) where the blasts have been able to knock Wolverine back/down.

I liked Deadly Genesis too.

I say that Sasquatch just thunderclaps to finish this.

Originally posted by jinzin
he had psionic failsafes.. TK wasn't doing shit... and admantium>>>>titanium... there's no reason why wolverine a guy who has KOed roughhouse with punches and kicks, staggered thing with them, hurt hulk with them, couldn't break down a titanium door with enough effort... hell even batman can kick down steel doors with relative ease in comics... wolverine doing this isn't that bad...

as for his enhancements.. again... lets say you were right and logan WAS physically enhanced... who took away those enhancements?

Why the hell would Psionic failsafes stop TK as it has nothing to do with that. Thanks tips I know that, but did you actually see what Wolverine did to the door? Adamintium alone cannot do that. Batman is peak human at best, and a feat like that is PIS which isn't allowed here.

Who knows, but he was amped up.

Originally posted by jinzin
he had psionic failsafes.. TK wasn't doing shit... and admantium>>>>titanium... there's no reason why wolverine a guy who has KOed roughhouse with punches and kicks, staggered thing with them, hurt hulk with them, couldn't break down a titanium door with enough effort... hell even batman can kick down steel doors with relative ease in comics... wolverine doing this isn't that bad...

as for his enhancements.. again... lets say you were right and logan WAS physically enhanced... who took away those enhancements?

Guess it was his armor then, just like War Hulks. LoL please help me to understand how psionic failsafes protected logan from telekinesis not telepathy.

Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine on the other hand has hand down beaten Scot before like in (a taste for vengeance from X-men lost tales #2)

yet here is an issue way before death were wolverine just stands there as scot blasts him and wolverine goes no were he just stands there.

I haven't read that issue. Please post the scans you are citing as I would very much like to see under what circumstances that occurred as Scott is able to control just how powerful he makes his blasts.

Originally posted by capt it up

please prove how wolverine was enchanced since the reason u give is because he took scots blast well he done that before he was death also as in the comic stated above.

The feat in question is the proof of the possible enhancement because to my knowledge Wolverine hasn't (and based on his and Scott's powersets) shouldn't duplicated the aforementioned feat. If you post scans from that comic we all will be able to see exactly how the fight took place and just how powerful the blasts were.

However, I think the majority of cases where Scott has hit Wolverine with his optic blasts (both post- and pre- "Death"😉 have shown that he simply cannot take a reasonably powerful optic blast and not get knocked back or down.

Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine on the other hand has hand down beaten Scot before like in (a taste for vengeance from X-men lost tales #2)

yet here is an issue way before death were wolverine just stands there as scot blasts him and wolverine goes no were he just stands there.

please prove how wolverine was enchanced since the reason u give is because he took scots blast well he done that before he was death also as in the comic stated above.

I don't see how you can think that to be normal Wolverine. Seriously. Your thought process is incomprehensible.

How, do you figure, can Cyclops' optic blasts crack Onslaught's armor, blast through Sentinels, knock Seninels back quite a ways, cut through Wolverine's wrist no less, and perform all the other powerful things that they do...and yet a 5'3", 300-pound mutant can literally walk through such concussive force?

I mean, seriously. It can be accepted that Wolverine can walk through non-concussive blasts, but a blast that is precisely designed to be concussive, and as powerful as it is...you just can't be serious.

Edit: Oh yea. And Sasquatch wins.

WOLVERINE DIES

THEN WE WILL RESURRECT HIS BATTERED BODY USING NECROPLASMA MAKING HIM MORE POWERFUL AND MORE DEADLY.

Originally posted by Soleran
Guess it was his armor then, just like War Hulks. LoL please help me to understand how psionic failsafes protected logan from telekinesis not telepathy.

I have no idea.. but that was apoc's explanation so that's what I'm going with.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why the hell would Psionic failsafes stop TK as it has nothing to do with that. Thanks tips I know that, but did you actually see what Wolverine did to the door? Adamintium alone cannot do that. Batman is peak human at best, and a feat like that is PIS which isn't allowed here.

Who knows, but he was amped up.

PIS is totally subjective.. batman's done similar feats dozens of times.. there's absolutely no reason to call it PIS when the character consistently proves they can do something like that... IMO wolverine punching down a titanium door with a massive amount of hits isn't out of the question... in weapon x he jumps through 4 inches of "unbreakable window" ... like and i quote "it wasn't even there"....
probably the same reason why spiderman tossed wolverine out starks unbreakable window.

Originally posted by TheKahn
What I've always wondered about the issue of whether Apocalypse physically upgraded Wolverine is how was he able to walk through Scott's optic blasts? From what we know of the power of such blasts and the fact that Wolverine has be knocked down by them in the past, then it would suggest that he was upgraded in some way (unless there is another explanation for how he accomplished such a feat).

That brings up your question of who took away said enhancements. To be honest I do not think that that question has been satisfactorily answered in comics as of yet. However, it seems clear that Wolverine is no longer able to withstand Scott's blasts as I can think of two recent occasions (the bedroom scene in Astonishing X-Men and the cave scene in X-Men😄eadly Genesis) where the blasts have been able to knock Wolverine back/down.

I'd just like to adress. wolverine has remained standing on two previous occasions where scott wasn't holding back his blasts... hey i never said comics make sense I just read em... 😉

Originally posted by Shinkuu
Good point. No enhancements to Wolverine were ever stated, and after it was over he was basic Wolverine, just with adamantium. Which was the only real enhancement he got.

see guys, that's all i'm sayin.

Originally posted by jinzin
PIS is totally subjective.. batman's done similar feats dozens of times.. there's absolutely no reason to call it PIS when the character consistently proves they can do something like that... IMO wolverine punching down a titanium door with a massive amount of hits isn't out of the question... in weapon x he jumps through 4 inches of "unbreakable window" ... like and i quote "it wasn't even there"....
probably the same reason why spiderman tossed wolverine out starks unbreakable window.

No breaking a titanium door held with TK by X-Man is not PIS unless Death Wolverine gained an upgrade as normal Wolverine is not capable of a feat like this. Batman kicking Hulk beating him is PIS, it don't matter how many times he does it it's still PIS as it's a feat something that his actual powerset doesn't give him that sort of strength.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No breaking a titanium door held with TK by X-Man is not PIS unless Death Wolverine gained an upgrade as normal Wolverine is not capable of a feat like this. Batman kicking Hulk beating him is PIS, it don't matter how many times he does it it's still PIS as it's a feat something that his actual powerset doesn't give him that sort of strength.

are you sure you're aware of batman's pwerset? chi amplification lets say?

for the hulk fight, I don't count that as it's not canon material...

and again.. When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time.

for tk holding the door... i don't think the tk made a difference considering logans failsafes...

Originally posted by jinzin
A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time.

Even if those abilities are inconsistently written by a number of different people over a long period of time?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Even if those abilities are inconsistently written by a number of different people over a long period of time?

you're not being very specific... demonstrate the inconsistancy you're talking about...

Originally posted by jinzin
are you sure you're aware of batman's pwerset? chi amplification lets say?

for the hulk fight, I don't count that as it's not canon material...

and again.. When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time.

for tk holding the door... i don't think the tk made a difference considering logans failsafes...

and?...chi attacks only get you so far. He cannot move a multiple hundred titantium door with one punch or use a kick while being held with TK from X-Man. That's way over his powerset. Thus something like this is PIS.

Show me other times Wolverine is capable of a feat like this, as it happened just when he got an upgrade from Apoc. The proof of burden is on you.

no those failsafes are physhic uses not telekinetic