Wolverine vs. Sasquatch

Originally posted by jinzin

yep you're definitely not listening.. TK didn't matter it had no effect on what wolverine was doing.. none whatsoever... failsafes ensure that...
so basically all he was doing was punching through a door...
the guy's floored class 100's with kicks and punches.. why not a titanium door? hell sabretooth did that in his classic days when he had nothing but bone in his body..

psionic is derectly related to telepathic and telekinetic ability... so yeah...

ok so he was enhanced apparently.................

Originally posted by jinzin
throwing wolverine away is completely pwning someone?

wolverine came right back.. need I remind you how that fight ended?

Oh come on?!? You seriesly arent going to be that bias are you?

You seriously think that Wolverine could take on Wrecker?!? The same guy who was destroying the NA until Spider-Woman used her sex powers on him.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
That does make things difficult because, in essence, wouldn't that mean that Walter would always give in to Tanaraq?

Yes, and the fight would be over instantly. Tanaraq would kill him.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh come on?!? You seriesly arent going to be that bias are you?

You seriously think that Wolverine could take on Wrecker?!? The same guy who was destroying the NA until Spider-Woman used her sex powers on him.

I've said it before I'll say it again.. i don't know if logan could beat wrecker on his own... but I'm simply illustrating that wrecker didn't completely pwn logan like you implies.. he threw him and then logan came right back ready for more fighting...
to make a more accurate assessment of how the two stack up to one another one on one i'd like to see more direct comparisons... and have at least one example of a berserker rage logan vs. wrecker.. cause it DOES make a difference...

as a sidenote
you ARE aware that iron fist has taken down wrecker and his entire crew on two occasions BY HIMSELF are you not?

Originally posted by Soleran
ok so he was enhanced apparently.................

no one is arguing that he was enhanced... hell we've even stated multiple times just what he was proven to have been enhanced with... biologically superstrength wasn't one of his enhancements and no one can prove that it was and no one can prove that it was taken away IF IT WAS....

Originally posted by KharmaDog
That does make things difficult because, in essence, wouldn't that mean that Walter would always give in to Tanaraq?

To say that everyone wil fight at their maximum peotential sounds like a good idea, but it may also further complicate issues as to what is each characters maximum potential.

Or maybe I am overthinking this hole process 😕

i think it's a little of both.. but I certainly understand what you're saying and I certainly agree...

Originally posted by jinzin
I've said it before I'll say it again.. i don't know if logan could beat wrecker on his own... but I'm simply illustrating that wrecker didn't completely pwn logan like you implies.. he threw him and then logan came right back ready for more fighting...
to make a more accurate assessment of how the two stack up to one another one on one i'd like to see more direct comparisons... and have at least one example of a berserker rage logan vs. wrecker.. cause it DOES make a difference...

as a sidenote
you ARE aware that iron fist has taken down wrecker and his entire crew on two occasions BY HIMSELF are you not?

Wrecker fully powered is a hell of a lot more powerful than he is with his crew

Also, Iron Fist is badass. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker fully powered is a hell of a lot more powerful than he is with his crew

Also, Iron Fist is badass. 😮‍💨

wolverine is badass... that doesn't do much to prove anything.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
psionic is derectly related to telepathic and telekinetic ability... so yeah...

As he doesn't have the skill such as Ironfist has, so what would he hope to accomplish?[/B][/QUOTE]
WHAO.. what are you basing that assessment on? the guy took down ogun who makes iron fist look like childs play.. he took down kun lun who completely humiliated iron fist and his took the guy down AFTER the guy was uber upgraded.... his skill level certainly seems to be on par with iron fist.. his ability to manipulate chi is what's lacking.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Proof he can do that? and who did he take down?

as far as who he brought down.. try solomon grundy...
the other class 100 he used it on.. I don't know the guys'name.. but here..
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc145&image=da4_batshots.jpg
he's also capible of majically healing himself through chi manip..

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes it does, a powerful user like X-Man holding the door with TK woulkdn't stop Wolverine? Do you know who X-Man is? Show me where Sabertooth did this, as that's phsyically impossible since the old handbooks when he was bones was he had enhanced human strength not in the multiple ton range.

they're only physically impossible if you think the handbooks are gospel truth.. ask darkcrawler something about that.. i'm sure he'll enlighten you.. 🙂

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No you didn't, you state something without backing facts up. Was the robot standing was the robot moving? show the scans so we can actually see the circumstances.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
PIS, he at tops has enhanced human strength not to that extreme level. Wait...no post the scan I want to see how big this is and how thick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/5820550d.jpg
if you look closely he caves in the things face and then crushes the metal vertebre with his fingers alone....

seriously.. the guy has hit people hard enough to make their bodies cause craters in concrete.. UNDERWATER... you think he can't punch down a titanium door?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No duh as I said so how can those failsafes help him against TK, while they protect him against psionic attacks,

Originally posted by jinzin
As he doesn't have the skill such as Ironfist has, so what would he hope to accomplish?

WHAO.. what are you basing that assessment on? the guy took down ogun who makes iron fist look like childs play.. he took down kun lun who completely humiliated iron fist and his took the guy down AFTER the guy was uber upgraded.... his skill level certainly seems to be on par with iron fist.. his ability to manipulate chi is what's lacking.

read the captain america batman no gadgets thread they have a batman chi bio right there in the last 2 or 3 pages.. read it...

as far as who he brought down.. try solomon grundy...
the other class 100 he used it on.. I don't know the guys'name.. but here..
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc145&image=da4_batshots.jpg
he's also capible of majically healing himself through chi manip..

sure I do, but a failsafe that neglects his powers makes him no so threatening.. sorry sad but true.. again this was apocs explanation... so that's what I'm going with not what people wished had happened..
the door feat is something he did before his conflict with sunspot but i don't have scans.. however...
the handbooks were wrong!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741967\
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741968
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741979

they're only physically impossible if you think the handbooks are gospel truth.. ask darkcrawler something about that.. i'm sure he'll enlighten you.. 🙂

sure I did.. i just gave yo a plethora of examples... i don't have scans but I'm sure capt it up acan give you the issue numbners if you ask him....

easy to call something PIS every time you don't like it.. 🙄

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/5820550d.jpg
if you look closely he caves in the things face and then crushes the metal vertebre with his fingers alone....

seriously.. the guy has hit people hard enough to make their bodies cause craters in concrete.. UNDERWATER... you think he can't punch down a titanium door?

because DUH tk is directly related to psionic abilities.. 😕

I'm talking about Batman with his skill level with chi manipulation. He isn't on par with Iron Fist so how could he break down titatium without PIS? Now your exagerating, Wolverine skill level is great, but not his chi manipulation and that was my point.

No post the scans that state it here

You do realize Solomon Grudy has also been taken down by Green Arrow and his power level increase/decreases with each incarnation. Also didn't you just say earlier his battle with Hulk is not canon. Honestly how could Batman compete realistically with a person that took on the JLA and Superman himself. Ummm...those arn't chi attacks, those are martial arts moves. Show me where he has healed himself with chi

Uhhh! it's like your not listening. Show me scans, I can spout things off but scans make it valid.

Huh? after seeing that I'm not impressed as Cap has done that as well. He went inbetween the vertebrae and it's a training robot. So your telling him his adamintium claws did less damage than him just using his hands? haha yeah silly me for calling it PIS.

The failsafe blocked his tp ability to use on Wolverine not his tk ability to use on the door. Get it? Rogue fight doesn't prove much as he jumped her and doesn't prove he can press multiple tons. Second pic you know what sort of strength you need to do something like that? way more strength than Sabertooth has. With Warbird Cap has lifted building beams as well, and how much does a beam weigh? Even oldschool Sabertooth got beaten by Blackcat

No it's not, try again. Psionic is linked to telepathy
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=psionic

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You do realize Solomon Grudy has also been taken down by Green Arrow and his power level increase/decreases with each incarnation. Also didn't you just say earlier his battle with Hulk is not canon. Honestly how could Batman compete realistically with a person that took on the JLA and Superman himself. Ummm...those arn't chi attacks, those are martial arts moves. Show me where he has healed himself with chi

Regardless if he took Solomon Grundy down or not, Batmans taken down class 85 to 100s before.

A few of his rouges come to mind like Bane, Killer Croc and Clayface, all are top tier in strength.

Even Supergirl and Superman are high in strength and he's beat them, yes he has the K ring, but that would probably still leave them pretty high in strength.

Batman's trained in 124(yes it may be silly that he knows that much, but he does) martial arts he's got to know chi attacks.

Kung Fu has tons of chi based moves and hes mastered that.

One would only assume that hes using them well fighting h2h.

I know it doesn't say that he does use it all the time, but common sense would say he does other wise it would be ridiculous for him to be able to hurt them.

As far as him healing himself, I haven't seen him do it, but I'm sure he does something similar to what Daredevil said he learned from the hand.

Which focusing the pain away.

There are techniques in martial arts that can let you heal yourself though.

Batman knows 124 martial arts so I'm sure he was taught along the way.

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
Regardless if he took Solomon Grundy down or not, Batmans taken down class 85 to 100s before.

A few of his rouges come to mind like Bane, Killer Croc and Clayface, all are top tier in strength.

Even Supergirl and Superman are high in strength and he's beat them, yes he has the K ring, but that would probably still leave them pretty high in strength.

Batman's trained in 124(yes it may be silly that he knows that much but he does) martial arts he's got to know chi attacks.

Kung Fu has tons of chi based moves and hes mastered that.

One would only assume that hes using them well fighting h2h.

I know it doesn't say that he does use it all the time, but common sense would say he does other wise it would be ridiculous for him to be able to hurt them.

As far as him healing himself, I haven't seen him do it, but I'm sure he does something similar to what Daredevil said he learned from the hand.

Which focusing the pain away.

There are techniques in martial arts that can let you heal yourself though.

Batman knows 124 martial arts so I'm sure he was taught along the way.

How?

No their not, especially not Killer Croc. Their not multiple ton fighters, clayface maybe not I don't think he has shown multiple ton feats.

That's pretty void as he used an external force to compete with them that hurts your point and he never beat Superman in Hush.

Sure, I;m not disputing that but chi levels on the level of IronFist? doubtful as from what I recall he has never shown something like the iron fist technique

Kung Fu doesn't have chi attacks like Iron Fist

You can't assume things without actually facts backing it up.

Or simply used as bad writing, as he is peak human I don't care what you do your not going to hurt top tier people with your punches.
Sure there are, but it's not extreme rate of healing

So there is no actual facts behind the claims? If it's speculation it's void.

Sure doesn't use it much as he has many battle scars over the years.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So there is no actual facts behind the claims? If it's speculation it's void.

I've showin as much facts as you, which is none.

So the above statement is what yours equals out to as well.🙂

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
I've showin as much facts as you, which is none.

So the above statement is what yours equals out to as well.🙂

Ooooook, how can I show proof when I'm asking you guys of proof of him doing this feats.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ooooook, how can I show proof when I'm asking you guys of proof of him doing this feats.

But still how can you say its not true without proving it yourself?

Anyway, I think the Batgod title that Batman has should prove that he has beat characters he shouldn't.

As far as the chi stuff is concerned, knowing 124 is a given that you know chi based moves.

Proof or not, you can't know that many martial arts without knowing how to do powerful chi based attacks.

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
But still how can you say its not true without proving it yourself?

Anyway, I think the Batgod title that Batman has should prove that he has beat characters he shouldn't.

As far as the chi stuff is concerned, knowing 124 is a given that you know chi based moves.

Proof or not, you can't know that many martial arts without knowing how to do powerful chi based attacks.

Actually the proof of burden is on you, not on me.

Which is PIS or CIS, not allowed here

Sure, but that doesn't mean they are on the skill level as Iron Fist. Does Captain America know any iron first uber attacks? nope.

That's not true at all. There are many skilled martial artist such as Puck from Alpha Flight and he doesn't have anything like the iron fist technique. He's like a hundred years old too.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually the proof of burden is on you, not on me.

Which is PIS or CIS, not allowed here

Sure, but that doesn't mean they are on the skill level as Iron Fist. Does Captain America know any iron first uber attacks? nope.

That's not true at all. There are many skilled martial artist such as Puck from Alpha Flight and he doesn't have anything like the iron fist technique. He's like a hundred years old too.

No, the proof of burden is on both of us.

If you won't except my statements without proof, then I'm obliged to do the same with yours.

Captain America and Batmans knowledge of martial arts aren't comparable.

Anybody who says they are is kidding themselves.

Well then whats the list of martial arts Puck knows?

If he has the same plethora of martial arts knownledge as Batman does then he should.

Age doesn't matter, the uderstanding of the arts is all that does.

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
No, the proof of burden is on both of us.

If you won't except my statements without proof, then I'm obliged to do the same with yours.

Captain America and Batmans knowledge of martial arts aren't comparable.

Anybody who says they are is kidding themselves.

Well then whats the list of martial arts Puck knows?

If he has the same plethora of martial arts knownledge as Batman does then he should.

Age doesn't matter, the uderstanding of the arts is all that does.

Nope, if your the person claiming they have a unique power it's up to you to prove it.

That's fine, assumptions arn't facts here

Sure they are, why are they not?

What? that Batman can beat a 80 character without PIS or CIS? Read the rules it's not allowed.

It's unknown how many styles he knows, but he has been coined to be equal to Wolverine in the fighting skill department and Wolverine is said to know all the martial arts in the world.

Which he knows

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope, if your the person claiming they have a unique power it's up to you to prove it.

That's fine, assumptions arn't facts here

Sure they are, why are they not?

What? that Batman can beat a 80 character without PIS or CIS? Read the rules it's not allowed.

It's unknown how many styles he knows, but he has been coined to be equal to Wolverine in the fighting skill department and Wolverine is said to know all the martial arts in the world.

Which he knows

Please thats a cope out.

Healing himself
http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc188&image=ea5_batraining4.jpg
http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc86&image=e12_batraining5.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc277&image=93c_batraining6.jpg

This right here proves he has more martial arts knowledge.

Training Robin, he poses as a villian who uses various indian martial arts styles
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4b8_bat_indianskill.jpg

Does Cap know that obscure of a martial art? No

Gives Batgirl a CD that contains the lessons of 127 martial arts styles on it.
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2d8_batcd1b.jpg

Don't say that doesn't prove he knows them, because then that would be deniying the obvious. Which is why would a master teach his student more then what he/she knows?

Now out of those 127 martial arts, are you still going to say he doesn't know chi based moves? If you do then thats ridiculous.🙂

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
Please thats a cope out.

Healing himself
http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc188&image=ea5_batraining4.jpg
http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc86&image=e12_batraining5.jpg
http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc277&image=93c_batraining6.jpg

This right here proves he has more martial arts knowledge.

Training Robin, he poses as a villian who uses various indian martial arts styles
http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=4b8_bat_indianskill.jpg

Does Cap know that obscure of a martial art? No

Gives Batgirl a CD that contains the lessons of 127 martial arts styles on it.
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=2d8_batcd1b.jpg

Don't say that doesn't prove he knows them, because then that would be deniying the obvious. Which is why would a master teach his student more then what he/she knows?

Now out of those 127 martial arts, are you still going to say he doesn't know chi based moves? If you do then thats ridiculuos.🙂

What's a cope out?

That's similar to what I wanted, but I wanted to see him use chi attacks like the iron fist. I think your confused to what I want, Puck can use chi attacks for healing and meditation, but he can't do something like the iron fist.

Techically no it doesn't, just means he learned that technique where Cap might know another. Forget it I don't want to debate this.

Yeah handbooks state he knows all the martial arts in the world. Do I care to debate if he actually does or which style in which universe is better? not at all, not the point I wanted to debate or discuss.

Ok...we know he is skilled, but so is Cap. Just bring this stuff up in the Cap vs. Batman thread.

Ok....wasn't even debating anything regarding that.

......honestly how many times did I say it? this board is pissing me off to no ends. I said HE DOES have chi moves, but are they the level of Iron Fist? that's what I asked the scans for. Simple chi stuff is different, I'm talking about using the "iron fist" to attack.

edit: I'm going to bed and work in the morning so won't get to a reply till around 5pm tommorow. Sorry.