Can You Change Reality?

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
He doesn't understand the Law. The Law essentially states that thoughts/emotions and actions are what shape experience.

No, I've demonstrated through my words various times that I DO understand your particular interpretation of the Law. What you aren't getting is that lots of people take it further into the realm of the paranormal. Your interpretation isn't the only one that people use, and this very thread is abject proof of that. Citing another example of the causal effects of thoughts upon reality does nothing to enhance the conversation, nor does it refute my point, as we're already in agreement with that. From my first post I haven't denied deterministic effects of thoughts, nor their ability to affect positive or negative aspects of life (I went back and checked to make sure...and yes, I do mention it in the "Concessions" section).

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
It's not magic or mysticism. The [b]thought is energy and has its own frequency. Long ago, I told you that my thoughts meant nothing, because my thoughts have little to no power over my initiative actions. I was wrong. They totally have power over my actions and experience. [/B]

All matter is energy, so ok to that point, but you seem to imply that it has a "frequency". Show me how it is anything besides a series of neural synapse firings that translate into thought and action via our nervous system and I'll happily concede the point.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No, I've demonstrated through my words various times that I DO understand your particular interpretation of the Law. What you aren't getting is that lots of people take it further into the realm of the paranormal. Your interpretation isn't the only one that people use, and this very thread is abject proof of that. Citing another example of the causal effects of thoughts upon reality does nothing to enhance the conversation, nor does it refute my point, as we're already in agreement with that. From my first post I haven't denied deterministic effects of thoughts, nor their ability to affect positive or negative aspects of life (I went back and checked to make sure...and yes, I do mention it in the "Concessions" section).

Btw, all matter is energy, but you seem to imply that it has a "frequency". Show me how it is anything besides a series of neural synapse firings that translate into thought and action via our nervous system and I'll happily concede the point.

People are filled with delusions. We cannot understand the Mystic Law, and refuse to take full reasonability for all things in our lives. It is easier to say that someone else is to blame for the bad things in our lives, because to say that it is our own fault is confront the reality of attachments.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The main difference is that the Mystic Law is inward flowing and the Law of Attraction is outward flowing.

Inward flowing = realizing that all of your reality is from within.

Outward flowing = looks outside of yourself.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I believe that Law of Attraction is more Inward flowing then, because the source comes from with you.

But the focus is on other things being attracted to you, is it not?

It's Cause and Effect. It's changing the YOU, the inside.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People are filled with delusions. We cannot understand the Mystic Law, and refuse to take full reasonability for all things in our lives. It is easier to say that someone else is to blame for the bad things in our lives, because to say that it is our own fault is confront the reality of attachments.

I'm not assigning blame though, for good or bad things. Under a deterministic system, there is technically no blame to go around for anything, though that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take personal responsibility for our actions. Good and bad are arbitrary distinctions as well, so the idea of one "good" thing coming from another "good" thought in a non-causal manner is preposterous to me.

A lot of this just seems to be a fanciful interpretation of causality. All well and good...I won't disagree. But not really needed.

It's like frickin Karma, Shaky...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm not assigning blame though, for good or bad things. Under a deterministic system, there is technically no blame to go around for anything, though that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take personal responsibility for our actions. Good and bad are arbitrary distinctions as well, so the idea of one "good" thing coming from another "good" thought in a non-causal manner is preposterous to me.

A lot of this just seems to be a fanciful interpretation of causality. All well and good...I won't disagree. But not really needed.

I was not speaking of an absolute good or bad. However, there is a relative good are bad when talking about the human experience.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the focus is on other things being attracted to you, is it not?

All things are Interdependent. You are not separate from the rest of the world 😉

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No, I've demonstrated through my words various times that I DO understand your particular interpretation of the Law. What you aren't getting is that lots of people take it further into the realm of the paranormal. Your interpretation isn't the only one that people use, and this very thread is abject proof of that. Citing another example of the causal effects of thoughts upon reality does nothing to enhance the conversation, nor does it refute my point, as we're already in agreement with that. From my first post I haven't denied deterministic effects of thoughts, nor their ability to affect positive or negative aspects of life (I went back and checked to make sure...and yes, I do mention it in the "Concessions" section).

I am not taking it into the paranormal. I'm not in defense of someone saying you can utilize the Law of Attraction to perform magic tricks or to grow angel wings and fly.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
All matter is energy, so ok to that point, but you seem to imply that it has a "frequency". Show me how it is anything besides a series of neural synapse firings that translate into thought and action via our nervous system and I'll happily concede the point.

Law of Attraction is a current theory, supported by studies in Quantum Physics and Neotic Sciences. As of now, I do not think it is accepted Fact. However, many philosophers, doctors, scientists, writers, motivational speakers and spiritual/religious persons beleive in it.

I can help support the concepts and claims of The Theory of Attraction, but I cannot prove it to you.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
All things are Interdependent. You are not separate from the rest of the world 😉

True, but I have seen people use the Law of Attraction in a way to say; if you chant for "this", it will come to you. 😉

I change it all the time. The problem is, I'm not the only agent of change. For example, there's all the rest of you guys...

Originally posted by Mindship
I change it all the time. The problem is, I'm not the only agent of change. For example, there's all the rest of you guys...

I just changed it back. 😆

Well my reality touches yours...In fact it touches everyones....I am so powerful!

youpi

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well my reality touches yours...In fact it touches everyones....I am so powerful!

youpi

or deluded!

Originally posted by Zebedee
or deluded!

Originally posted by debbiejo
Nah ah, I took a test. I'm okay, you?

Tell me about this test you took.

Change yourself, change your reality.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
True, but I have seen people use the Law of Attraction in a way to say; if you chant for "this", it will come to you. 😉

The Law of Attraction is not a magic trick. You can't fly off a building or teleport with the Law of Attraction. It is a Law, therefore to utilize it to take control of your life, means to adhere to the laws that nature are abide by.

The Law of Attraction does not claim that you magically get what you want by wishing for it. Through changing your mind, your also change your life. Through taking control of your mind, you also take control of your life. And the law does not discriminate. Anyone who practices control can take it.

Taking control of your mind takes practice, meditation, and faith. You have to reinforce your mental power through practice, and you can't slack on your ways of thinking.

The Power of the Mind is being studied, and the results are remarkable. There is no doubt how powerful the mind truly is. Don't take it for granted. If you feel like you have no control of your life, it's because you're not taking it.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
[b]The Law of Attraction is not a magic trick. You can't fly off a building or teleport with the Law of Attraction. It is a Law, therefore to utilize it to take control of your life, means to adhere to the laws that nature are abide by.

The Law of Attraction does not claim that you magically get what you want by wishing for it. Through changing your mind, your also change your life. Through taking control of your mind, you also take control of your life. And the law does not discriminate. Anyone who practices control can take it.

Taking control of your mind takes practice, meditation, and faith. You have to reinforce your mental power through practice, and you can't slack on your ways of thinking.

The Power of the Mind is being studied, and the results are remarkable. There is no doubt how powerful the mind truly is. Don't take it for granted. If you feel like you have no control of your life, it's because you're not taking it. [/B]

Are you telling me this because you think I don't understand the Law of Attraction? 😆

All I said was that it is outward flowing. I didn't say it isn't true, or doesn't work. The problem with ideas that are outward flowing is that they can lead to delusion if one is not careful. An idea that is inward flowing is less likely to lead to delusion.

An example would be the teachings of Jesus, which by themselves are great teachings. However, they are outward flowing and have been deluded over time. That is not to say that a teaching that is inward flowing cannot be deluded, but when one has to face ones self, it is harder to succumb to delusion.