I think, therefore I am

f i can see you, then your probably there, or i just may be trippin out

Trippin...ya..or it could be worse, you could see dead people.

"I think, therefore I am."

Am what? It doesn't really say anything substantial, does it?

^ that is what I thought at first, but then, some say about existence and stuff... I think it's either the consciousness of oneself, or what experience has gave you, personality...

The problem with this statement as having being pointed out by Kant is the "I" in the equation: Kant said that there is nothing that suggests the existence of an "I", or an individual entity(the self). The "I" is thus an axiom - not proven but merely postulated. All we can say is that there is thought(thinking), but we have no proof that there is an "I" who is thinking the thought.

We should first define "think", "I" and "am"/being, otherwise Descartes statement is based on an unsubstantiated axiom.

and we beed to define therefore...don't forget that.

Originally posted by Player
The problem with this statement as having being pointed out by Kant is the "I" in the equation: Kant said that there is nothing that suggests the existence of an "I", or an individual entity(the self). The "I" is thus an axiom - not proven but merely postulated. All we can say is that there is thought(thinking), but we have no proof that there is an "I" who is thinking the thought.

Really? And I thought the only thing a philosopher is able to prove without a doubt through all the postulating is the existence of self. Everything else is theoritical.

The existence of self is not proven - read Kant and all the other Enlightenment philosophers.

Intriguing. So if the existence of self is not proven, nothing else can be proven anywhere... is that what you're saying?

Basically, yes. Everything is interpretation - no facts - nothing can be absolutely proven.

It's only humans with their "arrogance of certainty"...

Originally posted by Bardock42
🤨 Peter I am happy to see that your posts make as much sense as always

Originally posted by Player
Basically, yes. Everything is interpretation - no facts - nothing can be absolutely proven.

Yes. No such thing as an absolute truth either. Everything is an interpretation and facts are based on the observment, and thus the fact are not facts in its own right but an observation.

"Something cannot bring itself into existence." Isn' t this an absolutely true statement? In order for something to bring itself into existence, it would have to exist in order to be able to perform an action. But if it already existed, then it isn' t possible to bring itself into existence since it already exists. Likewise, if it does not exist then it has no ability to perform any creative action since it doesn' t exist in the first place.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes. No such thing as an absolute truth either. Everything is an interpretation and facts are based on the observment, and thus the fact are not facts in its own right but an observation.

People only jump in conclusion that there are no absolute truth when after repetition of failures in the search of truth... It's only the fear of the truth, nothing less, nothing more... for if one searches harder, one will eventually find truth...

Facts - lil b is a female...
- you have a name...
- you were born from your parents...

Why do you or those who want you to go to school if those were utterly rubbish?

are you sure of that peter?
Are you even sure that someone called lil b does exist
do you exist?
Do you read that or is it just an imagination?

Everyone has their beliefs, and thus everyone has their own absolute truth... 😄

No everyone has there own belifs...thats true so far....but no one has an absolute truth since, chances are some people have some kind of truth partly but no ABSOLUTE one

Originally posted by Bardock42
No everyone has there own belifs...thats true so far....but no one has an absolute truth since, chances are some people have some kind of truth partly but no ABSOLUTE one

Bardock you are contradicting yourself... When I say EVERYONE has their own beliefs, and thus everyone has their OWN absolute truth(s)... I am NOT wrong in this... Offcourse I exclude those who are incapable of thinking...

"No everyone has there own belifs...thats true so far...." - I don't understand what you are trying to say... your whole paragraph is crap anyway...