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well, QGJ was a tad slow for the defence, with Maul using speed

Obi-Wan was too slow also. Maul handled him rather easily.

QGJ's speed had absolutely nothing to do with it. He was not a fast fighter. It was bad positioning.

Obi-Wan was too slow also. Maul handled him rather easily

Maul defeated himself. All he had to do was reach down and cut down Obi-Wan. Instead he had to be arrogant and taunt him, which cost him his life. If you think Obi-Wan would have beaten him, you are crazy. Maul was much more powerful than Obi-Wan.

If you think Obi-Wan would have beaten him, you are crazy.

He beat himself.

well he lost to Obi Wan what ever way he got beaten.

Nick Gillard clearly made Obi-Wan's fighting faulty in TPM; I expect him to be much improved in AOTC.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nick Gillard clearly made Obi-Wan's fighting faulty in TPM; I expect him to be much improved in AOTC.

What are you talking about?

Other than repeating myself, what do you expect me to say? Obi-Wan's fighting style in TPM was full of errors, presumably to represent his inexperience.

Obi wan was not yet fully skilled Jedi at the time of the fight with Maul, which he beat by the way. This flick he has more experience as a Jedi Knight

What flaws did he have? He was made a Jedi knight because of those flaws.

Well, Obi-Wan's continual reliance on pointless (and dangerous) whirls and twists of his sabre were classic examples of displaced aggression, often an end to many a swordfighter.

I don't believe that is why they made him a Knight, though...

If you think twirls are flaws, then I guess every Jedi in AOTC are unskilled. You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

dont need fancy stuff to settle a fight, look at the duels between Luke and Vader not too much fancy stuff there

You are talking about a Jedi who is now basicly a battledroid with Force Powers and a poorly trained semi Jedi. Eventually you will come to realize what is actually going on.

Let me just tell you that Mace, Anakin and Obi-Wan all twirl their sabers in AOTC.

Eventually you will come to realize what is actually going on.

Helmet, I am willing to state that I know FAR more about swordfighting than you do. You clearly haven't got the FIRST clue about how any of these things work at all.

Nick Gillard, on the other hand, knows exactly what he is doing. Qui-Gon and Maul fight with a disciplined style all the way through that fight. But Obi-Wan fights, though with great speed and vigour, with a loose, undisciplined and completely wasteful style. This is deliberate.

The best example is the bit where they come through the foorweay after Maul uses the droid head to open it as he walks backwards. Maul is assailed by one side. He fends off Qui-Gon, to our right. Obi-Wan has a clear shot at Maul's side, but instead of a swipe he begins a TWIRL- a useless, pathetic twirl that leaves him with no guard at all. Maul contemptuously kicks him in the head.

Watch it frame by frame and watch Obi-Wan begin his twirl. That is the miatake of a novice.

Helmet, I didn't mean that anyone who ever twirls is a bad fighter. Twirling as a stylistic point is throughly acceptable and handy in some circumstances. But it is POINTLESS twirling- or more to the point, DANGEROUS twirling- that Obi-Wan displays; like I say, the dispalced agression of a novice.