LIGHT SIDED DOOKU??? spoilers...spoilers...spoilers...

a novice who beat Maul

You don't know more about it than Nick Gillard, and I will go on what he thinks is right. And in case you didn't know, this is a movie.

do you know it is a movie, Mr getting all the figures by Friday

No, I DON'T know more about it than Nick Gillard. Did I ever say I did? He KNOWS what he is doing. He puts Obi-Wan's novice moves in there on PURPOSE. It's clear to anyone who knows a thing about swordfighting.

And of course Obi-Wan beat Mual in the end- he was the hero! But he didn't beat him in a straight fight.

And so what if it is a movie? Nick Gillard is using real-world fighting techniques that can be subjected to real-world analysis.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, I DON'T know more about it than Nick Gillard. Did I ever say I did? He KNOWS what he is doing. He puts Obi-Wan's novice moves in there on PURPOSE. It's clear to anyone who knows a thing about swordfighting.

And of course Obi-Wan beat Mual in the end- he was the hero! But he didn't beat him in a straight fight.

And so what if it is a movie? Nick Gillard is using real-world fighting techniques that can be subjected to real-world analysis.

So I guess Mace is a novice swordsman because he twirls his saber? I guess since Anakin twirls his saber, that must mean he really isn't the second best swordsman in the Jedi order. Hmmmmm, do you finally get it, that Jedi twirl their sabers? It doesn't mean they are novice. You really are clueless.

Helmet, if you continue to post without properly readoing what others have said then I will issue you with a formal warning. Please read my post a few before this one which explains that twirling issue.

they twirl cause it is fancy, it has no purpose in a fight. It is just when a boxer start showboating, it looks cool but it leads them vulnerable

Bottom line, Obi-Wan wasn't a novice. I don't care if you show me a Kendo book. This isn't the real world, that is why it is science fiction. The twirling is in there because it looks cool and that's it.

They SHOULD keep the twirling. What exactly is your problem here? My whole point is that Obi-Wan twirled TOO MUCH- and at a STUPID time. A mistake Darth Maul- who does a ton of stylish twirls- would NOT have made. His actual offensive blows are utterly efficient.

And again, it does not matter that this is sci-fi- the swordfighting is firmly grounded in reality. Nick Gillard will not have these people doing anything pointlessd unless he is trying to show they are indisciplined.

Him twirling had nothing to do with him falling into that pit.

Directly, no. But it is indicative of what was wrong with Obi-Wan in that fight. Plenty of skill and speed but no discipline. That's what got him in the pit.

I guess he and the rest of the Jedi are novices.

Because they all do it.

Gee, we are just going around in circles here...

NO THEY DO NOT! No-one other than Obi-Wan twirled his sabre at a stupid time, and I fully expect Windu et all to not make stupid mistakes like that either.

As Gillard explains, every move in his fight sequences has everyone involved at a 'check point'. If anyone twirls badly in a duel, there would not BE a check point because he would be beaten! If Maul wasn't still fighting Qui-Gon in TPM Obi-Wan would have been killed at that point.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Gee, we are just going around in circles here...

NO THEY DO NOT! No-one other than Obi-Wan twirled his sabre at a stupid time, and I fully expect Windu et all to not make stupid mistakes like that either.

As Gillard explains, every move in his fight sequences has everyone involved at a 'check point'. If anyone twirls badly in a duel, there would not BE a check point because he would be beaten! If Maul wasn't still fighting Qui-Gon in TPM Obi-Wan would have been killed at that point.

Oh Please, give me a break. 🙄

Don't blame me just because you do not know what you are talking about.

You thinking Obi-Wan was a novice in TPM is quite laughable.

Oh really? Despite the fact that he WAS a novice? Despite the fact that his flawed fighting style was put there on purpose because he was a young and reckless apprentice? Oh yeah, REALLY laughable!

What would have been stupid would have been if Obi-Wan was already a master swordfighter despite not even being a Knight yet.

They usually don't make novices Jedi Knights the day after, and entrust them with the chosen one.

There is no denying that Obi-Wan is a remarkable man but the whole point is that he was too reckless in TPM (as part of continuity with ESB). His fighting style reflected that.

His style also had to contrast with Qui-Gon'sor the fight would have been less interesting.

What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?