LIGHT SIDED DOOKU??? spoilers...spoilers...spoilers...

Started by Ushgarak10 pages

Knight or otherwise, he was a legend, of course. I don't think anyone was meant to be in any doubt of Obi-Wan's immense skill and talent.

He would have become a Jedi Master. There is no doubt abou that. Obi-Wan is the only Jedi who fights every Sith Apprentice.

we dont know he fights every sith apprentice...remember there might be a new one (there has been said they´re casting a new bad guy for episode III, possibly a sith?) and he might not fight him.

anyways your point is right... i believe he would turn to jedi master after the geonosis battle or during the clone wars.
but we dont know, maybe he gets promoted to jedi master and then demoted for something wrong he might´ve done.

but i dont think GL had thought really well all this jedi master- jedi knight- jedi padawan- thing back when he did ANH. maybe he just thought at that time on a bunch of jedi knights, knights as in "warriors" not rank. so that line ob1 said in ANH is irrelevant for me.

well he faught Maul, will be fighting Dooku and possible Anakin(maybe not a sith apprentice at that time) at least as Vader. So I think Helmet is pretty much right on this one

he is pretty much in the right track. never said he was not.

we dont know he fights every sith apprentice

oh this is not a kind of denial

why is it not?

ever heard of irony?

irony? mm no.
only on my swiss swatch.

The only Apprentices in the saga are Maul, Dooku, and Anakin/Vader.

Darth . . . who?

Has it been confirmed that Count Dooku is Darth Tyranus?

Yes:

http://www.figures.com/archives/images/62/40562.jpg

Dooku underestimates Darth Sideous

My theory is that Dooku actually IS trying to do what is best for the galaxy. His separatist movement is very real and he is convinced that the Republic is too corrupt to work ever again.

I think Dooku underestimates Palpatine, thinking that he can sort of be in league with him, but dispose of him when needed. Dooku is most certainly among the most powerful Jedi ever, and he thinks that with his powers (and swordsmanship), he can easily dispatch Palpatine when the time comes.

Unfortunately, I believe that he will find the Emperor too powerful, and he will be destroyed by the Emperor, with the help of Anakin, in Episode III.

The reason for this theory is that he tells Obi Wan the truth about a dark lord of the Sith running the republic. Dooku all but gives the name of Palpatine to Obi Wan, and of course he wants Obi Wan to help him destroy the Sith Lord.

Dooku's intentions were probably good at first, but as he used the dark side more and more he became dependent upon it, and thus even if he did destroy Palpatine, he would become a tyrant himself.

I cannot think of any other reason that Dooku would tell Obi Wan about Palpatine being a Sith Lord. It's unfortunate that he never actually gives Obi Wan a name, for then Yoda could probably focus his efforts at discerning Palpatine's true intentions. But in the end, Yoda will discover Palpatine's true identity too late, and will be powerless to stop him.

bantha fodder has explained in a better way my theory. im glad someone thinks like me or very close to what i believe.
i do believe in dooku thinking he can use palpatine.
and i find that theory of anakin destroying him quite interesting and very probable.

The same reason Vader told Luke they could rule the galaxy as father and son. Dooku knows he can't take out Sidious, he is completely his Apprentice, and not plotting against him in AOTC.

Yes, it's just typical bad guy politics. Obi-Wan would make a fine apprentice for Dooku; he's just playing on Obi-Wan's hatred for the Sith as his route to pull Obi-Wan onto his side.

I am still sure that Dooku is 100% bad.

thats one thing i love about starwars. when it comes to sith lords you dont know really what they´re thinking and what they truly mean.

ushgarak´s theory is also probable, coz it would kinda same like when vader told luke to join him. vader wasn´t playing good and bad sides at the same time. he was [almost*] 100% bad.

*i said almost coz we know he turns good again at the end of ROTJ

all i'll say is that so far it looks like christopher lee is playing the same role twice, dooku and saruman. one of a group of powerful heroes who though he has good intentions falls prey to the lure of power and creates his own army and makes a bargain with the ultimate villain with the intent of ursuping his throne.

Well, agree with Bantha Fodder and Jedi Fernando. In the spoilers, he left the Order because he was disgusted with the way the Jedi willingly died for a dying Republic (and, maybe, that his apprentice, Qui-Gon, was doing just that when he died). Then he just traveled along, tampered a little with the Dark-side, met Palpy, and BAM! he's a Sith lord and he didn't want to be one in the first place. I believe he's mostly bad, like Ush says, but not all bad. Sorta 80% evil, 20% good.

I just read through this thread and I gotta say ... Emperor Helmet ... you got no case against Ush ... he's rebutted all your points. And about Obi Wan being rusty ... its not even an issue. Of course the reason for him being rusty is because of 20 years of inactivity on a desert planet in the middle of nowhere ... not injury ... and his advancing age didn't help him either. Giving examples of jedi like Qui Gon or Dooku who were great warriors even in their older age doesn;t hold water, cause they were never inactive or out of touch.

Also, a lot of the other points you discussed have already been discussed in depth a couple of months back. You're just flogging the same dead horse over again. Check out some of those old threads ... e.g. Top 5 greatest jedi, darth maul vs. darth vader, whose the greatest etc.etc.

Bantha Fodders theory intrigues me a lot ... in fact .. i'd made a similar speculation on the Countdown thread, a couple of months back, when I saw the latest Clone Wars trailer for the first time.
Mainly because of the line " Join me Obi Wan ... together we can destroy the sith ! "