You know I've been thinking about Dooku .... somehow I don't think his character, is a case of complete evil .... it's not going to be a case of complete white or complete black with him. His is a case of a great and noble jedi, one of the best the order ever produced, who for reasons of frustration left the order late in his life, and began to study the ways of the dark side from an unknown and unseen sith lord. So I think his character in many ways is going to be a lot more complex than that of Darth Maul, for instance, who was an out and out bad guy villain, simple as that.
In the case of Count Dooku, its not going to be as simple as : Oh, here's the evil Darth Tyranus, formerly known as Count Dooku, and he's the bad guy ... obviously granting that he will be evil in many ways, having taken lessons from Darth Sidious for ten years, still .... still there will be many more complexities in his character ... it wont be like, well once he was white, now he's black ... it will be more like gray areas ..... and even as the separatist Count Dooku, secretly apprentice to Darth Sidious and known as Darth Tyrannus, it wont be totally black, but shades of gray ... sorry i know this sounds vague, but i wonder if you get what i mean. I mean, thats the way it is in real life .... often you get people like Hitler, which is a case of out and out evil ... he IS a black guy. But often, its not as simple as that, a lot of people cannot be judged in terms of black and white, because, from different points of view, of different people concerned, its a case of gray with them, evil AND good .... I mean you know that maybe so and so guy is upto no good ... but its not as simple as that ... because within his blackness lies white as well, and so you get different shades of gray.
And I think that's gonna be the case with the character of Count Dooku.
harmax, i totally agree. i've had similar thoughts on dooku. i think GL is following a similar path as in the ot. in ANH vader was basicaly a badass on a leash as was maul in TPM and it appears that dooku will be more complex with more screen time and insight into his character, like vader in TESB. i also believe that dooku will be a gray area kinda villain. he will ultimately be doing evil and not following the jedi code, but he beleives that he is doing what's right.
queeq, i wouldn't be suprised to see dooku have a change of heart in epIII. GL seems to follow patterns and that is an important element of the finale to the ot. but i agree with you that it would lessen the impact of anakin's redemption.
To Finti : No ... I meant .... more complex than, this guy is good and that guy is bad ... as in ... a character who is essentially helping things for the dark side, but .... you can't simply regarded him as a dark villain as in the case of Darth Maul, because ... he is NOT a totally bad guy, he IS a former jedi, and in his darkness, is mixed light, so ... whereas Maul was a simple case of a black villain ... in the case of Dooku, its a gray area thing ... not simply black. And that is the way it is in real life ... most of the times, its never : Ok so and so is the bad guy and that fellow's the good guy ... things are usually never so clear cut in terms of black and white. I mean ... some guy may be regarded as a negative personality ... but ... his own reasons for his actions and for what he is, maybe right ... for him ... and maybe from the viewpoint of a certain section of people, he may be totally justified in their eyes for being what he is ... and it is difficult to exactly pin down whose right and whose wrong. Of course there are always exceptions, as in the case of Hitler or Bin Laden or Slobodan Milosevic ... thats darkness pure unalderated.
But in say some guy like Fidel Castro ... you can't pin him down in terms of White and Black or right and wrong ... its a gray area thing.
I don't blame you if you don't get it, because I'm not able to articulate as clearly as I would like, what I want to convey ....
Look, guys, SW is very simple. How on earth could Yoda say "Once you start down the dark path forvere will it dominate your destiny, consumen you it will", if Dooku were able to withstand it and turn back. That is just IMPOSSIBLE. Maybe, just maybe he might make some kind of attempt, but then I am sure he fails miserably or gets destroyed miserably. But he cannot turn back.
i totally get what you're saying, maybe. and i agree. i guess my response wasn't as clear on that. i think i threw it off with the little comparisons between the sith apprentices in the ot and pt in the middle. but as we find out more info on the villain we realize that he has more complicated motivations that are not purely evil or good. i think GL is following that pattern with the pt, just with 2 different people instead of adding more meat to vader.
as i previously said i think dooku will being doing things that the audience will percieve as evil (because it aids the sith) but he himself will think his is doing the right thing for the galaxy. so basically in doing what he believes is right, he is partly good and parlty evil. i think our thoughts mesh, some what.