Could Obi-WAN of beaten Darth Sidous

Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
How can you say Anakin was too old when Luke was like 15 years older when he started training?
Sidious' ability to trick Anakin and Anakin's dissapointment inObi-Wan/Obi-Wan thinking he's such a great teacher.

Well they trained Luke because they didn't have much choices left...that is something that I don't understand why Yoda refused to train him in the beginning...who would safe their buts...Leia? she was as old as Luke!
And I heard that Yoda was already talking of educting the children in ROTS

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1) In ROTJ, but aside from then, by whom and when?

2) We don't know... Maybe maybe not. All that matters is what DID occur

4+5) My whole point I guess, is more that if you removed R2, the Kids, Sidious, hell, even Sebulba, the prophecy wouldn't have occured as the prophecy was about the outcome of ROTJ... Not the prophecy of an EU
fantasy of what might have been.

1) Lucas confirmed it.

4+5) First of all, removing Sebulba makes winning the race easier for Anakin. Second of all, the Prophecy is, yes, about killing Sidious. I agree with you entirely. What I have been saying all along is that it does not matter how the Chosen One does it so long as he does it.

And whether or not you meant it that way, calling my side of the debate an "EU fantasy" sounds like an insult to me. I do hope you'll refrain from doing that in the future.

The whole lesson of it is, when the force brings you the chosen one, you go with it.
Why else does Qui-Gonn retain his lidentity? Because he finally understands the full power of the force.
Why else does Obi-Wan instruct Luke to use the force, trust his instincts, stretch out with feelings and all that.
In the end, it seems the force is like fate, inevitably, it's goals will be accomplished. After all the evil Darth Vader commits, Anakin still finds a way to kill Sidious.

Originally posted by Malic Clanorian
it was palpatine...he clouded..their...timing? lol

nice joke! But it didn't have anything to do with Palpatine, he was probably unaware of the Chosen One or at least who he was and he already had an apprentice. Who knows lol, palp had something to do with it, I'm just giving an example...doesn't matter what happened. If Qui-Gon didn't find him...someone else would!

Originally posted by Cascador
Another think of what AK said...if R2 didn't rescue the Jedi, they would be dead and Qui-Gon wouldn't have found Anakin....doesn't matter! There is no such thing as coinsidence! If the Jedi died the Force would guide the Jedi so he was found. That's maybe something that failed in the past. Maybe it was meant to be that he was found when he was younger. Something could have disturbed that!

Exactly... Which is why I think It was the force's will to have everything that transpired transpiring... The pieces of the board wouldn't have been in place in any other way..... If the Jedi in TPM were killed then, then you would have to consider their and everyone elses actions and their consequences and the effects that they might have on the prophecy...

Tell you what.. How about this.
How about we go to the Ep1-2 or EU forums, set up a thread about buts and maybes of the prophecy and their millions of permutations...
Seriously. I think it'd be a great thread, but this has gone way off topic here and I'd hate to see this closed.... You could start by telling how you think it could have worked with Anakin being able to work the prophecy
form the Lightside.... And we can watch the debate from there, and I'd be happy to drop in... What do you think....?

Qui-Gonn found him because he believed in the prophecy, and his philosphy is what led the light side to victory.

i think he just wanted to kill sidious so he could rule the galaxy but then all the electro shock theropy he got shocked his a$$ and killed him so he just had to go with the flow and pretend he was good lol
"Dad! I knew there was good in you!" ... Vader "OOh...yea...right! you konw me good ole lightside jedi master.. 🙄 😕 " lol

Originally posted by Cascador
nice joke! But it didn't have anything to do with Palpatine, he was probably unaware of the Chosen One or at least who he was and he already had an apprentice. Who knows lol, palp had something to do with it, I'm just giving an example...doesn't matter what happened. If Qui-Gon didn't find him...someone else would!

lol i didnt mean just clouded there vision to find anakin i meant clouded the jedi's vision as a whole lol

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Tell you what.. How about this.
How about we go to the Ep1-2 or EU forums, set up a thread about buts and maybes of the prophecy and their millions of permutations...
Seriously. I think it'd be a great thread, but this has gone way off topic here and I'd hate to see this closed.... You could start by telling how you think it could have worked with Anakin being able to work the prophecy
form the Lightside.... And we can watch the debate from there, and I'd be happy to drop in... What do you think....?

Fine by me...It could even get in the ep III threads

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Exactly... Which is why I think It was the force's will to have everything that transpired transpiring... The pieces of the board wouldn't have been in place in any other way..... If the Jedi in TPM were killed then, then you would have to consider their and everyone elses actions and their consequences and the effects that they might have on the prophecy...

Tell you what.. How about this.
How about we go to the Ep1-2 or EU forums, set up a thread about buts and maybes of the prophecy and their millions of permutations...
Seriously. I think it'd be a great thread, but this has gone way off topic here and I'd hate to see this closed.... You could start by telling how you think it could have worked with Anakin being able to work the prophecy
form the Lightside.... And we can watch the debate from there, and I'd be happy to drop in... What do you think....?

I say we forget the other thread, agree to disagree, and let this thread continue the way it was meant to. Deal?

Originally posted by ArthasKnight
1) Lucas confirmed it.

4+5) First of all, removing Sebulba makes winning the race easier for Anakin. Second of all, the Prophecy is, yes, about killing Sidious. I agree with you entirely. What I have been saying all along is that it does not matter how the Chosen One does it so long as he does it.

And whether or not you meant it that way, calling my side of the debate an "EU fantasy" sounds like an insult to me. I do hope you'll refrain from doing that in the future.

Of course I didn't mean it to be insulting.
Its a "not-bearing-on-yourself" descriptive of the conversation as it applys mainly to events that do not take place in the movie.
(Not just your side but including the hypotheticals I too have been offering, and IM not insulted by that am I? 😄 )

obi wan would have lost...or won...depends on the surrounding enviroment 😉

Originally posted by ArthasKnight
I say we forget the other thread, agree to disagree, and let this thread continue the way it was meant to. Deal?

Deal.... 🙂

Peace to all in this debate i found it very interesting and enjoyable anyways... See you guys around....

Ok, I had a feeling you didn't mean it as an insult anyway. I was just checking. 😎

Now that that's settled, maybe it's best to get this back on track:

No I don't think Obi-Wan could beat Sidious. Discuss away!

Same here...

same here...

This has been one interesting thread...and no, I doubt Obi-Wan could have defeated Sidious, but Obi-Wan should be able to put up a fight with Sidious before going down, or he probably finds some way to escape from Sidious. He always finds some way to get out of stressful situations.

yeah like the Arena! If Anakin wasn't there, he would have fought alone with three monsters lol

Don't you think it woul have been awesome to see Sidious vs. Obi-Wan and Yoda vs. Vader?

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