The thing with Superman Prime is his space time control which is very tricky (and ill-thought out considering that his original powers were strength, beams and flight and he was still using solar energy as prime). Technically Prime could hide in the timestream and slowly destroy Tyrant......... Well maybe not, Prime could survive but he definitely couldn't win, not with all the chicken in Kentucky.
Originally posted by eleveninches
LOLSS beating prime.
This thread is getting siilly
Agreed. Surfer can absorb Prime but not in a snap of the finger. It's going to take a while. And Prime isn't standing around like an idiot.
Surfer isn't Phoenix, nor is he Galactus. There's a limit to him, in this case his speed to absorb. Phoenix absorbing the sun or Prime is vastly different from Surfer doing so. Oh he can do it, but not at the rate Phoenix can.
Prime would pound him to death.
However, Tyrant will pound Prime to death. The rule says Tyrant when was first created. That Tyrant is Galactus' size and much more powerful than the Tyrant that beat down, Beta Ray Bill, Surfer, Jack Of Heart, Gladiator, Terrax, etc.
"Surfer can absorb Prime but not in a snap of the finger. It's going to take a while. And Prime isn't standing around like an idiot.
Surfer isn't Phoenix, nor is he Galactus. There's a limit to him, in this case his speed to absorb. Phoenix absorbing the sun or Prime is vastly different from Surfer doing so. Oh he can do it, but not at the rate Phoenix can.
Prime would pound him to death. "
I don't think so.
Surfer could drain and evade him at the same time, and he can also drain Prime from behind a cosmic powered forcefield. It's not like Surfer has to be sitting perfectly still or extremely close to his target to use his powers, and he definitely doesn't have to use only one of his abilities at a time. Also, he could just emit a blast that alters the frequency/energy signature of Prime's biomatrix energy field and make it toxic to him, or he could emit an energy field that momentarily renders Primes powers inoperative (like an EMP attuned to Prime's energy signature), then blast him to atoms in his mortal state with a blast of the power cosmic.
Surfer could kill Prime, so long as he doesn't try to slug it out with him, but when does Surfer ever try to slug it out? He has the means, powers, speed, and other abilities to do it.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Surfer could kill Prime, so long as he doesn't try to slug it out with him, but when does Surfer ever try to slug it out? He has the means, powers, speed, and other abilities to do it.
He's not fighting Thor here. Prime is vastly beyond normal Superman level. Him punching Surfer, even w/ a power cosmic protecting Surfer, would put Norrin down. There's a limit to Surfer's shield, Prime would break it and take out Surfer.
Tyrant, Thanos, Terrax, Morg, and Thor hurt Surfer before. Surfer's ain't holding up against Prime. Nor would he easily absorb Prime. Prime is to Superman as Rune Thor is to Thor as War Hulk is to Hulk as Trion Juggernaut is to Juggernaut. There's a difference, Surfer isn't matching Prime's power.
Superman Prime should be below Surfer since he only partially absorbed some solar energy over a short time (cosmically speaking). It was quite a lot of energy compared to normal Supes but nothing that great. the only thing changing was Superman being closer to the sun (his body has a fixed rate) so he shoudln't have really got new powers and defifnitely not the space time control powers since he had no connection to these sort of powers originally and his body should have remained at the same rate of absorption (keeping his powers at the same level)
HOWEVER the writers decided how powerful they wnated to make Prime and so he can beat Surfer because although he uses solar energy his level of power means that Surfer cannot manipulate his energy any more than he can manipulate Galactus's enrgy stores
I said energy way too much
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I guess we are going to keep going back and forth on this.
Prime is nowhere near as powerful as Galactus. His reality warping abilities come from the Sword of Heaven, not his base powers generated by his biomatrix. The source of his powers is still the same: he absorbs solar/light/cosmic energy to fuel his biomatrix, mainly solar power from a yellow sun. That hasn't changed. He still has the same weakness when facing a character like Silver Surfer, Binary, Phoenix, Molecule Man, Galactus, or any other energy manipulating character, so long as that character is fast enough to pull off the attack.
Since his powers are still a reaction to an external stimuli, which these type of characters can manipulate/remove, Prime, even though physically stronger, would still be defeated by them.
"Prime is vastly beyond normal Superman level. Him punching Surfer, even w/ a power cosmic protecting Surfer, would put Norrin down. There's a limit to Surfer's shield, Prime would break it and take out Surfer.
Tyrant, Thanos, Terrax, Morg, and Thor hurt Surfer before. Surfer's ain't holding up against Prime. Nor would he easily absorb Prime."
The main reason behind Surfer's defeats to these characters (save Tyrant who is just plain out superior, and partially Thanos for the same reason) is Silver Surfer's pacifist character traits in the comics, not his powers. Surfer is portrayed as reluctant to go all out with his full destructive capabilities. That's not a factor here in the versus forum. Also, for Prime to break through Surfer's field, Surfer would have to be dumb enough to sit still and let Prime pound away at his field to weaken it. That also is not a factor here in the versus forum. Since characters are expected to go all out, Surfer should be expected to utilize his maximum speed and other abilities to evade and attack Prime just as Prime would be expected to.
Absorbing and storing solar power for a few hundred centuries as Prime did is different from being the embodiment of the power cosmic as Galactus is. Surfer may not be able to sap Galactus's power reserves, but that is because he only was granted a miniscule fraction of that power by Galactus, but the power cosmic, which is a binding universal energy, even with the fraction Surfer has, is inherrently superior to Prime's energy, since it grants Surfer control over energy and matter, and allows Surfer to exploit Prime's weaknesses. Surfer doesn't have to outright drain Prime, all he would need to do to defeat him is momentarily short out Prime's biomatrix to make him vulnerable which Surfer is very capable of doing given he can manipulate energy. Surfer has many options in defeating Prime, and he's one of the few characters with the speed needed to pull it off.
Silver Surfer is above Superman Prime. He doesn't have to go find a piece of Kryptonite, he could alter his power cosmic blast's frequency to that of Kryptonite. Or he could grab a normal rock, turn it into Kryptonite, and chuck it down Superman Prime's throat. Norrin doesn't need to fist fight with Superman Prime, he's faster, and he's got the Power Cosmic at his disposal. He almost never fist fights. Why go blow for blow now?
There's not really enough info on Prime to justify all these Prime VS threads.
We don't know for sure whether Prime is just a supercharged Supesor whether he's an entirely different being.
Plus, with his weapons - the Sword of Truth or whatever - we don't know the extent of their abilities.
Personally, I take the view that Prime is the Ultimate version of DCs Ultimate Superhero. I believe that he's evolved beyond his original weaknesses (KNite/Magic) and his physical powers are unlimited. I believe that his sword will perform any task that he sets his will to, just like his GL Ring and that his will is practically unlimited.
But like I said, we don't know any of this for sure, n thus I'd never expect to win any argument using the above.