"Personally, I take the view that Prime is the Ultimate version of DCs Ultimate Superhero. I believe that he's evolved beyond his original weaknesses (KNite/Magic) and his physical powers are unlimited. I believe that his sword will perform any task that he sets his will to, just like his GL Ring and that his will is practically unlimited. "
Well, there's kinda proof that he hasn't evolved beyond his weaknesses. In the future Solaris plots to kill Prime with kryptonite, and sets a plan in motion to get the last fragment of kryptonite (Batman's K Ring from the 20th century) to kill Prime. It gets thwarted and he winds up with Kyle Rayner's GL Ring, then he and Kyle (who was in the future) use their rings along with the 20th Century Superman's force vision to defeat Solaris.
Prime is still Kal EL, just older and more powerful (well, stronger), but still with the same weaknesses to magic and kryptonite. His descendents are immune to magic due to mixing with 5th Imp genes.
Originally posted by Draco69
Ditto. His full power is unknown. He only appeared for like 10 minutes.
I don’t think Superman Prime is vulnerable to Kryptonite by the way.
But still, if all this is true, he's way too much to handle for Tyrant or Surfer.
What most people seem to think and what is fact are far from one another, who-kid. Why don't you guys try coming up with some concrete evidence that Superman Prime is not vulnerable to Kryptonite instead of, "Well, I don''t think he is." Why wouldn't he be? He's still Superman.
Superman Prime still needs sunlight to stay alive, doesn't he? Tyrant and Surfer both have cosmic awareness and energy absorption power. The simple fact that he is Superman Prime does not mean he can beat everyone.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why don't you guys try coming up with some concrete evidence that Superman Prime is not vulnerable to Kryptonite instead of, "Well, I don''t think he is." Why wouldn't he be? He's still Superman.
The simple fact that he is Superman Prime does not mean he can beat everyone.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What most people seem to think and what is fact are far from one another, who-kid. Why don't you guys try coming up with some concrete evidence that Superman Prime is not vulnerable to Kryptonite instead of, "Well, I don''t think he is." Why wouldn't he be? He's still Superman.Superman Prime still needs sunlight to stay alive, doesn't he? Tyrant and Surfer both have cosmic awareness and energy absorption power. The simple fact that he is Superman Prime does not mean he can beat everyone.
its a fact kryp hurts him and no he doesnt need sun light no stay alive, just to be powerful.
Originally posted by illadelph12I guess we are going to keep going back and forth on this.
Prime is nowhere near as powerful as Galactus. His reality warping abilities come from the Sword of Heaven, not his base powers generated by his biomatrix. The source of his powers is still the same: he absorbs solar/light/cosmic energy to fuel his biomatrix, mainly solar power from a yellow sun. That hasn't changed. He still has the same weakness when facing a character like Silver Surfer, Binary, Phoenix, Molecule Man, Galactus, or any other energy manipulating character, so long as that character is fast enough to pull off the attack.
Since his powers are still a reaction to an external stimuli, which these type of characters can manipulate/remove, Prime, even though physically stronger, would still be defeated by them.
Hmmm, so Silver Surfer can absorb Prime like that. 🙄 Your really upping Surfer's absorbing speed.
The main reason behind Surfer's defeats to these characters (save Tyrant who is just plain out superior, and partially Thanos for the same reason) is Silver Surfer's pacifist character traits in the comics, not his powers. Surfer is portrayed as reluctant to go all out with his full destructive capabilities. That's not a factor here in the versus forum. Also, for Prime to break through Surfer's field, Surfer would have to be dumb enough to sit still and let Prime pound away at his field to weaken it. That also is not a factor here in the versus forum. Since characters are expected to go all out, Surfer should be expected to utilize his maximum speed and other abilities to evade and attack Prime just as Prime would be expected to.
Pacifist? Surfer went all out at Tyrant and all he got was knocked out. He warned Thanos not to anger him; Thanos did and he gave Thanos a full does of his Power Cosmic; Thanos only smirked at his blast. Odin punked Surfer in one blast.
Warrior Madness Thor kicked his ass as well. Surfer was coming to BRB's rescue, but WM Thor kicked his ass. WM Thor is below Prime. Your giving Surfer to much credit. He's not always a pacifist, even when he's pissed, he's gotten his ass kicked at times.
Absorbing and storing solar power for a few hundred centuries as Prime did is different from being the embodiment of the power cosmic as Galactus is.
Um, that's Super Sun that he spent 15,000 years in. Regular Superman gets powered up with a mere sundip from a regular sun. 15,000 years of living in a Super Sun boost should drastically up his level.
Obviously his body absorbs sunlight at a quick rate, his quick trip to the sun empowered him vastly in Our Worlds At War. 15,000 years in the Super Sun absorbing energy puts him beyond his regular levels.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Like I said - no one knows Prime's full power. He's Supes at his maximum potential. But against something of a different dimension/plane of existence like Spectre, I don't think he could win. Physical power doesn't count in a battle like that.
I dont agree hes supes at max, if he spent 16000 years in the sun would he not be more powerful? Superman has no limit to how powerful he can become.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, for Prime to break through Surfer's field, Surfer would have to be dumb enough to sit still and let Prime pound away at his field to weaken it.
Force field? Has he ever created one? And yes, he was stupid enough to stand around so Thanos can physically punked him the f#ck out. And where was his force field when WM Thor was pounding him with Mljornir? You'd think while he was trying to reason with Thor, he'd atleast put up a force field. Of all the appearances I've seen of him, he's never created a force field. Prime's going to pound Surfer down.
Also WM Thor and Thanos are about equal in physical power. Both are about 3X or maybe 4X regular Thor or Superman's level. Spending thousands of years in a Super Sun would put Prime way above 3X or 4X regular Thor or Superman's level.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What most people seem to think and what is fact are far from one another, who-kid. Why don't you guys try coming up with some concrete evidence that Superman Prime is not vulnerable to Kryptonite instead of, "Well, I don''t think he is." Why wouldn't he be? He's still Superman.Superman Prime still needs sunlight to stay alive, doesn't he? Tyrant and Surfer both have cosmic awareness and energy absorption power. The simple fact that he is Superman Prime does not mean he can beat everyone.
Well he's probably not immune to it but he is getting stronger against Kryptonite, and its not an instant kill anymore. And he survived by having liquid K put into him...So by then it would still effect him but even less so.
Why does Superman get so many toys, while Surfer gets none. Heck, at one time, Surfer had the Infinity Gauntlet, but he doesn't use it in every thread. This should simply be Superman Prime, no extra toys, versus Silver Surfer.
Well, for one, no one has said that Surfer is a physical match for Superman Prime, nor is he a physical match for Thanos (obviously.) Surfer is much faster than Superman; he transcends lightspeed. Surfer may not be able to absorb Superman Prime's energy stores momentarily,Regardless of how fast Surfer can drain the energy, he doesn't have to physically contact Superman to drain his energy. He can evade Superman, drain his energy, and attack Superman all at once. Superman would gradually grow weaker and weaker, until Surfer can blast him away with the Power Cosmic.
Thanos had absolutely no weaknesses for Surfer to exploit. Superman Prime has several.
Beyonder, as I keep having to remind people on here, in the versus forum, any character in combat is to be considered to do everything in their capability to secure a victory unless otherwise specified by the thread originator. The fact that Surfer is portrayed to have lapses in combat tactics, has a pacifist nature, and does not use the full destructive capabilities he posesses are not a factor here. Here, Surfer would use all of his abilities, which include matter and energy manipulation, cosmic energy blasts and hyperlight speed flight, in full against any opponent, meaning unlike in the comic books, he has a bloodthirsty, psychopathic, masochistic killer instinct here, and he'd do everything within his power to kill and humiliate Kal El.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Beyonder, as I keep having to remind people on here, in the versus forum, any character in combat is to be considered to do everything in their capability to secure a victory unless otherwise specified by the thread originator. The fact that Surfer is portrayed to have lapses in combat tactics, has a pacifist nature, and does not use the full destructive capabilities he posesses are not a factor here. Here, Surfer would use all of his abilities, which include matter and energy manipulation, cosmic energy blasts and hyperlight speed flight, in full against any opponent, meaning unlike in the comic books, he has a bloodthirsty, psychopathic, masochistic killer instinct here, and he'd do everything within his power to kill and humiliate Kal El.
Okay, but when did he ever create a force field around himself. And even when he goes all out, Prime can easily take Surfer's cosmic blast. Thanos and Tyrant have done this. Odin shrugged it off as well. Absorbing 15,000 years of sunlight in a Super Sun puts his durability equal to or above Thanos, Tyrant, maybe Odin. Surfer is going to do to Prime as much as he's done to Thanos, Tyrant, or Odin - which is nothing.
As for absorbing, Surfer isn't going to have time to absorb 15 thousands of sunlight stored in Prime. He'd get his face pounded. Sure Surfer might posses a variety of powers, but he's still below Prime in power. Thanos' can't do all the neat tricks Surfer can, but that doesn't mean Thanos can't kick his ass.
As for bloodthrust, so Prime is going for bloodlust but Surfer is? If both went into that mode, Surfer would get punked. Regular Supes can already move at the speed of light, so guess what Prime can move at? Prime would still knock Surfer out.
Here's how I see it:
Prime Vs. Thanos - Prime
Prime Vs. Tyrant - Prime slightly
Prime w/ GL ring & Sword Vs. Tyrant (original version) - Tyrant
Prime Vs. Odin - Odin wins. He's not as fast as Prime, but his vast magic can seriously hurt Prime. Furthermore, Odin has more raw power and more tricks than Surfer.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Beyonder, as I keep having to remind people on here, in the versus forum, any character in combat is to be considered to do everything in their capability to secure a victory unless otherwise specified by the thread originator. The fact that Surfer is portrayed to have lapses in combat tactics, has a pacifist nature, and does not use the full destructive capabilities he posesses are not a factor here. Here, Surfer would use all of his abilities, which include matter and energy manipulation, cosmic energy blasts and hyperlight speed flight, in full against any opponent, meaning unlike in the comic books, he has a bloodthirsty, psychopathic, masochistic killer instinct here, and he'd do everything within his power to kill and humiliate Kal El.
Off topic (from another topic actually, where I had to be reminded of the same thing), but I agree that Apocalypse would crush regular Superman...occasionally the fanboy in me escapes past my logic.
-DM :-)
P.S. provided Kal doesn't have his goodies (Sword/Ring) I'll take Tyrant...but I'd take Prime over Surfer...SS might run, but if he stood to try and absorb/fight, Supes would crush him.