Originally posted by Myth
Nice job. Although, IMO those aren't their best statistical seasons, it still drives a good argument.
Well i guess you could argue that Mcrady's was when he average all those points and won the scoring title.. but i was going for an all around best season.. his rebounds are about 2 per game better than all of his other seasons... his blocks were higher that season too. Which season do you think are their best? just curious.
Originally posted by BloodyHell222
Well i guess you could argue that Mcrady's was when he average all those points and won the scoring title.. but i was going for an all around best season.. his rebounds are about 2 per game better than all of his other seasons... his blocks were higher that season too. Which season do you think are their best? just curious.
Which is why I put IMO.
For James I say last year. His rebs, asts, stls were all slightly down while his bpg and fg% were slightly up. All around that makes him better in the year you mentioned, but his 4 point increase in scoring is more than enough to make up for that difference, which is why I think 05-06 was his best statistically.
For McGrady I say 02-03. The 7 point scoring difference more than makes up for the 1.4 rebounding difference. I'm in no way saying that scoring is everything, but 7 points is quite a difference in scoring.
Originally posted by Myth
Which is why I put IMO.For James I say last year. His rebs, asts, stls were all slightly down while his bpg and fg% were slightly up. All around that makes him better in the year you mentioned, but his 4 point increase in scoring is more than enough to make up for that difference, which is why I think 05-06 was his best statistically.
For McGrady I say 02-03. The 7 point scoring difference more than makes up for the 1.4 rebounding difference. I'm in no way saying that scoring is everything, but 7 points is quite a difference in scoring.
I agree, more or less i was just trying to find their best overall season.. but your right 4 and 7 points are more than enough. In those two seasons their stats were similar i was trying to make an even case.. i knew the result was gonna be a push.. so i tried to reflect that in my response. but i do agree with you.
How can you say Lebron is more clutch? and you said hands down ❌
Tmac has proven himself to be one of the most clutch players in the league, as a matter of fact I put him at #2 right behind Kobe.
Explain to me why Lebron is more clutch, he hasn't hit more game winners in a single season than Tmac, he hasn't brought his team back more times than Tmac, he most defintely doesn't hit clutch FT's, so I dont understand how you can think Lebron is more clutch, when up until last season he hadn't hit a single game winner.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
How can you say Lebron is more clutch? and you said hands down ❌Tmac has proven himself to be one of the most clutch players in the league, as a matter of fact I put him at #2 right behind Kobe.
Explain to me why Lebron is more clutch, he hasn't hit more game winners in a single season than Tmac, he hasn't brought his team back more times than Tmac, he most defintely doesn't hit clutch FT's, so I dont understand how you can think Lebron is more clutch, when up until last season he hadn't hit a single game winner.
Being clutch is not all about hitting game winners. I know whenever we argue about how clutch T-mac is, you'll always refer to his 13 point burst against SA last season, which was truely amazing, but beside the fact, I'd still take LeBron. And Wade is more clutch than LeBron. He simply put a stamp on it last season and especially postseason. Wade takes a back seat to Kobe. But getting back to LeBron, he's always there when his team needs him to produce, in one way or another. It doesn't have to be FT's. He basically carried the no-named Cavs into a true East contender. That was highlighted when he nearly single-handedly knocked out Detroit (Keep in mind, I was rooting for Detroit, this is bias-free). On the other hand, T-mac has solidified himself as a great player, but he always seems to come up short with his team. I'm not talking about single games, rather season by season. In Toronto, he obviously went out because he didn't want to be Robin to Vince. In Orlando, he played solid, but whenever his team needed a boost at the end, he couldn't finish it, hence leading to a first round elimination when they were up 3-1 in the playoffs one year against Detroit, and a very dissapointing season another. In Houston, he was hit with injuries, so you can't really analyze it. If he's stellar this year, and Houston gets deep in the postseason, I'll reconsider, but as of now, it's LeBron, with no preferences on age whatsoever.
Originally posted by RecSpecs110
Being clutch is not all about hitting game winners. I know whenever we argue about how clutch T-mac is, you'll always refer to his 13 point burst against SA last season, which was truely amazing, but beside the fact, I'd still take LeBron. And Wade is more clutch than LeBron. He simply put a stamp on it last season and especially postseason. Wade takes a back seat to Kobe. But getting back to LeBron, he's always there when his team needs him to produce, in one way or another. It doesn't have to be FT's. He basically carried the no-named Cavs into a true East contender. That was highlighted when he nearly single-handedly knocked out Detroit (Keep in mind, I was rooting for Detroit, this is bias-free). On the other hand, T-mac has solidified himself as a great player, but he always seems to come up short with his team. I'm not talking about single games, rather season by season. In Toronto, he obviously went out because he didn't want to be Robin to Vince. In Orlando, he played solid, but whenever his team needed a boost at the end, he couldn't finish it, hence leading to a first round elimination when they were up 3-1 in the playoffs one year against Detroit, and a very dissapointing season another. In Houston, he was hit with injuries, so you can't really analyze it. If he's stellar this year, and Houston gets deep in the postseason, I'll reconsider, but as of now, it's LeBron, with no preferences on age whatsoever.
Lebron's run in the playoffs are no different from Tmac's. They both led their team there and they both lost to Detroit. This whole 1st round-second round thing is pointless. Lebron didn't win a championship and Tmac didn't either. When you look back on someones career and compare him it another, you aren't going to give the nod to one player because he led his team to the second round, whereas the other only led his team to the first. When at the end of the day they both are losers.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Lebron's run in the playoffs are no different from Tmac's. They both led their team there and they both lost to Detroit. This whole 1st round-second round thing is pointless. Lebron didn't win a championship and Tmac didn't either. When you look back on someones career and compare him it another, you aren't going to give the nod to one player because he led his team to the second round, whereas the other only led his team to the first. When at the end of the day they both are losers.
I guess we'll just have to see the outcome of this season to get a better picture of it. They're both healthy and on teams that have improved and are solid. But as of now, I'm still going with LeBron.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Lebron's run in the playoffs are no different from Tmac's. They both led their team there and they both lost to Detroit. This whole 1st round-second round thing is pointless. Lebron didn't win a championship and Tmac didn't either. When you look back on someones career and compare him it another, you aren't going to give the nod to one player because he led his team to the second round, whereas the other only led his team to the first. When at the end of the day they both are losers.
Tell me how first and second round is poinless.
Tmac actually played Lebron 1on1 at Rucker Park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkcim_EvKg
Who won? See for yourself....^
I just remembered that it wasnt 13 point in 59 secs but 13 points in 35 secs. BTW that is the very definition of clutch.
Originally posted by Lord EvolutionWho won? See for yourself....^
That's because LeBron excels as a team player 😉
That reminds me, the other day I was thinking of how they could improve all-star weekend:
1st, it how cool it would be for the NBA to add a 1 on 1 tournament to the all-star weekend. Have 8 players selected and have them set up in brackets. To make the games short, have them be first to 11 by 2s and 3s.
2nd, all-star voting makes it mandatory for players to play in the All-Star game. Why not have voting the same way for things like the dunk contest, 3 point contest, and such? For the dunk contest, analysts could set up the list of potential contestants and fans vote on the dunkers.
Although, I don't think the 1 on 1 tournament would ever be approved because of injury liability. But how about players set up for games of H-O-R-S-E? Imagine: Wade vs LeBron, and of course, sponsored by McDonalds 😉
Originally posted by Myth
That's because LeBron excels as a team player 😉That reminds me, the other day I was thinking of how they could improve all-star weekend:
1st, it how cool it would be for the NBA to add a 1 on 1 tournament to the all-star weekend. Have 8 players selected and have them set up in brackets. To make the games short, have them be first to 11 by 2s and 3s.
2nd, all-star voting makes it mandatory for players to play in the All-Star game. Why not have voting the same way for things like the dunk contest, 3 point contest, and such? For the dunk contest, analysts could set up the list of potential contestants and fans vote on the dunkers.Although, I don't think the 1 on 1 tournament would ever be approved because of injury liability. But how about players set up for games of H-O-R-S-E? Imagine: Wade vs LeBron, and of course, sponsored by McDonalds 😉
Thats a good idea, I've always wanted a 1on1 tournament on all star weekend. We would be able to see matchups like Yao vs Shaq, Kobe vs Tmac, Nash vs Kidd etc...I think it would be more exciting than the dunk contest.
Myth Tmac's assist are going up, when he played in ORL he was by himself he scored a lot of points, won a couple scoring titles, but didnt win a championship. So he has excelled as an individual player but at this point he wants a title more than anything and I think he realizes that now and thats why we see him so passive during games, I would be that way too if I had Yao on my team.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Tmac actually played Lebron 1on1 at Rucker Parkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkcim_EvKg
Who won? See for yourself....^
I just remembered that it wasnt 13 point in 59 secs but 13 points in 35 secs. BTW that is the very definition of clutch.
😆 😆 😆 I thought they seriously played at first. 😆 😆
One way I look at, to see who is a better play, is which team would win more games with the same exact players. Like say the team was, Samuel Dalembert, Carlos Boozer, Peja Stoiackivic, TJ Ford, and Lebron, and then the same exact team, except switch TMac with Lebron. Which team would win more games? IMO, it would be Lebrons.
Oh, and about McGrady's assists going up. Yeah, they have been going up a lot, because he said he wants to be a playmaker instead of a scorer. So while he is getting more assists than usual, his points are going down. Lebron is getting the same amount of assists, and more PPG.
McGrady is making a bad decision though, being a playmaker instead of a scorer. If he wants to get past the first round, then he will have to score 30+. 19 PPG will not get it done especially since you can't expect Yao to get 26 PPG like he's been doing. Tonight against the Bulls is a perfect example. In the first half the Rockets were dominating. McGrady was doing nothing but getting assists. Getting his team involved.(It was pretty bad defense by the Bulls, but thats besides the point) That is all fine and dandy, but you can not expect Alston, Padgett and company to keep hitting 3's like they were. Sure enough, the Bulls came back, because McGrady was still trying to get his team involved. It was a 21 point lead. Once it got around to 10, McGrady should know that he has to take the game over. But he is still trying to be a playmaker, instead of a scorer. They miss a couple shots, the Bulls score, and just like that it is a 4 point game.
The Rockets still ended up winning(although it was 97-95 with 15 seconds left, Rockets have ball on the inbound, and the inbounder moves both his feet then calls timeout, and no travel was called. It should have been Bulls ball down by 2. Instead they made both free throws and it was a 4 point lead) but they can't count on going very far in the playoffs if McGrady is not going to take the game over as a scorer, rather than a playmaker.
Originally posted by DanZeke25McGrady is making a bad decision though, being a playmaker instead of a scorer. If he wants to get past the first round, then he will have to score 30+.
I actually think this makes them better in the playoffs. Yao is key because he can pick apart today's centers while people still fear McGrady. If Yao does struggle, the McGrady can always step forward and take over. Its kind of like Jordan letting his team get confidence until he saw his team needed his scoring.