who is better, Vince Carter or Tracy Mcgrady?

Started by Myth14 pages

Originally posted by Tengu Man

Also not to mention Tracy is younger then he is, and he came out of high school, HIGH SCHOOL YOU ****IN DUMASS, he was signed to a good team his rookie year, that had Carter on it being the star of the team, how the hell was he gonna shine espically coming out of high school his rookie year? Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant are prime exmaples of rookies coming out of high school and not getting the rookie of the year, simply because they were fresh out of high school and were just too young. so you can shove that award right back up your arrogant ass.

Don't forget, the other hardware mentioned. Vince was top vote getter by fans. That does not show that he is better. It shows that he was more popular (Dunks and hype was a lot of that). Dunk contest? Again, that doesn't show who is better. Is Josh Smith better than T-Mac? Is Brent Barry? Tanjot also mentioned most plays of the week. Who gives a shit about that? A lot of them were again just really good dunks.

Also, not giving enough effort lowers your credibility.

Mcgrady. Both are pretty much equal offensively, but T-Mac is a much better defender and is not soft when it comes to taking it inside.

first off... u dont know me, i dont know u, dont be telling me about how u think u can beat me senseless... , i said it the way i did because he had already made it so obvious to the world that he didnt make any effort in 2004 or 2005 to play hard for the raptors. and what do u do? u add in his stats for those seasons... thats why i wrote it the way i did. i didnt add to ur point, because that wasnt ur point. u were comparing their 2005 stats, when he was in toronto only and not when he was in new jersey. why talk about supporting cast when t-mac has yao ming... and learn to get the names boy, its jeff mcginnis who is doing nothing for the nets. so what if vince has jason kidd and richard jefferson, i know they attract the defence, but in these past few stretch of games since RJ called him out vince has been getting the scoring done on iso plays, by the way... when vince scores atleast 30 points, his team wins. when t-mac did that in orlando they had the worst record in the league. right now. the rockets dont have the worst record in the league, but its nowhere near decent either.

all the things above go out to tengu man only.

Tengu man's words:

"Mcgrady kills Carter, aside from being a better shooter, Mcgrady is an offensive monster, ALL VINCE CAN DO IS DUNK, Mcrgady is more creative then him, he is a slasher, hes quicker, taller, more agressive, and is definetly not afraid to dunk on anyone"

and then in ur next post ur going to say u think u can snuff me... and that i talk too much trash, that ur not bashing carter? in ur posts u have talked way more "trash" than i have. not taking it way seriously. just trying to make a point.

to tengu man:

sorry, but i have 2 add in 1 more thing after reading ur post, if ur going to compare their career highs in points in a game, compare the team they did it against.... was washington a better defensive team in 2003 than the miami heat are now? with the 2003 defensive player of the year -GARY PAYTON , a dominant force who has been on the all defensive team for all his years in the nba-SHAQ, and the young DYWANE WADE who plays stellar defence just as good as kobe..... didnt think so. when u write another post... make sure u put in every little detail that matters... and when it comes to the hardware, mcgrady has not had only 1 year to prove he is capable of winning an individual or team award... i know he came straight out of highschool... and it takes more time to adjust to the nba than players coming out of college who have more experience. i know he won the scoring title, but so far throughout his career, carter has proven to b a better winner than mcgrady, i dont care how long ago it was, but carter made it within a shot of reaching the eastern conference finals. mcgrady has never made it past the first round of the playoffs.

tengu man...im not taking this seriously, continue to debate if u want and think of this as a friendly arguement..

Payton? 2003 defensive player of the year? WTF? Where do you get that from? He won in it in 1995-96 season. That was 10 years ago. Payton is no where near the Glove he use to be. Wade isn't that great at D either. He kind of floats around on D. He's just great offensively and decent at D. I'm not sure when Vince's 50 point game was against the Heat, but was Shaq playing? He's been out a lot this season.

As for the post season stuff. I think McGrady's Rockets of 2 years ago could have done just as well as Vince's 2nd round team had they faced the same opponents. T-Mac had to face the fabulous foursome of the Lakers two years ago.

if u knew anything about the nba, gary payton won the defensive player of the year when he was in the bucks in 2003 before he signed with los angelos. dwyane wade is a good defensive player and shaq was playing when vince dropped 51 on the heat.... i dont care whether he is the glove or not, even without payton the heat r a better defensive team now than washington was when t-mac dropped 62 on them.

Originally posted by tanjot
to tengu man:

sorry, but i have 2 add in 1 more thing after reading ur post, if ur going to compare their career highs in points in a game, compare the team they did it against.... was washington a better defensive team in 2003 than the miami heat are now? with the 2003 defensive player of the year -GARY PAYTON , a dominant force who has been on the all defensive team for all his years in the nba-SHAQ, and the young DYWANE WADE who plays stellar defence just as good as kobe..... didnt think so. when u write another post... make sure u put in every little detail that matters... and when it comes to the hardware, mcgrady has not had only 1 year to prove he is capable of winning an individual or team award... i know he came straight out of highschool... and it takes more time to adjust to the nba than players coming out of college who have more experience. i know he won the scoring title, but so far throughout his career, carter has proven to b a better winner than mcgrady, i dont care how long ago it was, but carter made it within a shot of reaching the eastern conference finals. mcgrady has never made it past the first round of the playoffs.

tengu man...im not taking this seriously, continue to debate if u want and think of this as a friendly arguement..

this is a good arguement 😄
wow, the guy in the last post is pretty slow, did he not hear vince as all of canada did, when he said he didnt give full effort in toronto that year, or the year before? what im about to say goes out to the idiot in the post above. if ur going 2 compare their stats on their old teams then compare the stats when they both played hard. compare all of vinces stats up to 2001, thats when he stopped playing hard and did not get injured every other week as a raptor. anyways, you shouldnt b looking at the past, and even if u are, look at the past 2 seasons. i wanna c u compare their stats when vince was playing in new jersey last year. compare their stats for this year too. tell me this, has mcgrady ever won any individual awards?HAHA... how low do u feel?? on top of everything, ur trying 2 say vince is not a slasher, a scorer, he cant shoot, he cant like t-mac? WOW.... the only thing that u miiight b able to argue that t-mac is better at than carter, is shooting, which in my opinion and i can strongly say in any ESPN commentator's opinion does not highly differ who is the better player. i want to see any ESPN commentator, now say that t-mac is better than carter without another commentator arguing to say carter is better. in 2004, i wouldnt dare to say something like this... but now, i am sure carter is the better player.
disgustnow, reread your, post pay attention to the words you typed, because this is how you started it. I have every reason to jump you at you the way i did. your right, i was wrong to threaten you, and i was talking more trash, you made your point, but that right there is now how you debate, its how you make enemies. calling me an idiot, asking how low i feel, and calling me slow? yeah thats how you started this whole mess. like i said it would have been completely different if you had mocked and ridiculed me. im gonna keep posting but i dont have a whole lot of time, i just wanted to set the record straight. im not an ass, im a nice and resonable person, and im sure you are, but for future refernces, dont start shit like that, because not only will you piss people off, you can be reported to mods and you can be bannned for shit liek this, they have banned members for less, i apologize, if you will, for acting the way i did.

k, i also apologize for the way i started out... but besides the first few posts, this has been a good debate

Originally posted by tanjot
if u knew anything about the nba, gary payton won the defensive player of the year when he was in the bucks in 2003 before he signed with los angelos.

Ok, in that case you don't know anything about the NBA.

2005 - Ben Wallace
2004 - Ron Artest
2003 - Ben Wallace
2002 - Ben Wallace
2001- Mutombo
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1996 - Gary Payton (Ten seasons ago)

mcgrady by far..

I agree with Tengu Man about Mcgrady.

did u c vince make the 3 point buzzer beating game winner against his old team, the raptors? did u? 42 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists. 18/35 fg, above 50%. 3/5 3pt, 60%. and he got 2 threes in the last 20 seconds to win the game. 24 points in the fourth quarter when his team needed it the most. and im reminding u again, player of the month for december... hes well on his way to being the player of the month for february too... with that performance.

oops, i meant january instead of february.

Originally posted by tanjot
did u c vince make the 3 point buzzer beating game winner against his old team, the raptors? did u? 42 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists. 18/35 fg, above 50%. 3/5 3pt, 60%. and he got 2 threes in the last 20 seconds to win the game. 24 points in the fourth quarter when his team needed it the most. and im reminding u again, player of the month for december... hes well on his way to being the player of the month for february too... with that performance.

did u c, i think it was 2 years ago, that mcgrady scored 68 points in the first half when they played the nuggets, thus outscoring the whole entire nuggets team by himself when the first half was over....and dont say, thats macgrady then, this is him now, theyre just about the same....best shooting guard in the nba regarldless

"mcgrady scored 68 points in the first half "

Somebody likes to exaggerate.

i swear fool im not even playing...u didnt hear about that?

Myth is no fool, especially when it comes to hoops knowledge. Here is T-Mac's NBA.com bio, pay particular attention to his CAREER HIGH in the bottom right of the page. Im pretty sure he had to play 4 quarters to get that, if he had 68 at the half as you suggest he would have broken Wilts 100 pt game.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/

http://www.nba.com/games/20040310/WASORL/recap.html

Ah, here we go. Game recap..

Lets see....... hmmm..... interesting. He played 46 minutes. 7 points in the 1st, 21 in the 2nd, 24 in the 3rd. He then INTENTIONALLY tried going for at least 70 points and choked. He MISSED 10 of his last 11 shots and 9 free throws.

Not quite 68 in a half but still not a bad game.

Somebody owes me an apology. 😄