Hulk has infinite strength, he isn't a tad bit stronger.
This isn't up for debate by the way. Storm loses. If you think otherwise, you're stupid, yes stupid.
Marvel VS DC isn't credible, it was a fan voted crossover. Venom fought Superman in one of them, nuff said.
Hulk wins, it's just how things go.
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AC by tad bit stronger i meant power wise, not strength cause the hulk so so much stronger than storm it's not even funny.
This isn't up for debate by the way. Storm loses. If you think otherwise, you're stupid, yes stupid.
you said that and if you had read the posts then you would know that i laready said that storm would lose- i lose storm hence my nsme but she is gonna los.
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Alpha, you're still missing the point which really surprises me considering how intelligent you are.
First off, in this forum, unless specfied by the thread starter, each character is to be considered to go all out with their abilities. So your "Storm wouldn't do that" counters are nullified. You should consider her to do anything she could in her capacity to win, just as the Hulk should be.
In a purely physical confrontation, Hulk dominates just about everyone. Storm shouldn't be considered to brawl with him, she should be considered to act in what ever manner grants her the best chance of winning.
Once Hulk leaves the ground and is airborne, all the anger, strength, healing factor, etc. in the world doesn't change the fact he just becomes an airborne object weighing in at just over half a ton for Storm to blow away with a gust of mach force wind. If Hulk has no ground to stand on, his strength, even if limitless, is a mute issue.
I know Hulk is superior to Storm. That's a no brainer. The thing is, Storm has a vast tactical advantage over him, which is better than a physical power advantage. She could just keep him away from herself or trap him in a tornado a few hundred feet above ground and channel all the eletricity the Earth's atmospheric polarity can muster into his head. If it KOs him, she wins, if not, she just keeps him away from her and blasts anything he throws at her with wind and lightning.
Basically, she can force a draw if she can't win.
Now that I consider it. Truth be told, a gamma blast didn't kill Dr. Banner. When i was considering Storm I was considering her as an Elemental Godess, not the scientific table of elements but Elemental in the sense of Weather of course.
Now that Banner is Hulk, which i'm going to watch on tv right now, I guess it would take a great...great deal more than gamma level destruction to hurt the Hulk.
I apologize for my err. Obviously I underrated the Hulk's durability.
I guess it's almost to the point if the Hulk locks his eyes on you your done for.
Originally posted by illadelph12
First off, in this forum, unless specfied by the thread starter, each character is to be considered to go all out with their abilities. So your "Storm wouldn't do that" counters are nullified. You should consider her to do anything she could in her capacity to win, just as the Hulk should be.
Are they? Since when? I've never seen anyone repeatedly stroll into a thread and say "Yeah well they're both going all out". That's a new one to me.
Originally posted by illadelph12
:In a purely physical confrontation, Hulk dominates just about everyone. Storm shouldn't be considered to brawl with him, she should be considered to act in what ever manner grants her the best chance of winning.
Yeah, how? It's Storm the X-Woman Vs The Incredible Hulk. Let's remind ourselves of that fact. She has no best chance of winning.
Originally posted by illadelph12
😮nce Hulk leaves the ground and is airborne, all the anger, strength, healing factor, etc. in the world doesn't change the fact he just becomes an airborne object weighing in at just over half a ton for Storm to blow away with a gust of mach force wind. If Hulk has no ground to stand on, his strength, even if limitless, is a mute issue.
He's still got momentum. Momentum of Hulk flying through the air isn't gonna be moved by some hurricane. Plus the fact that she can't just do em instantly ANYWAY. Why is this still going on?
Originally posted by illadelph12
:I know Hulk is superior to Storm. That's a no brainer. The thing is, Storm has a vast tactical advantage over him, which is better than a physical power advantage. She could just keep him away from herself or trap him in a tornado a few hundred feet above ground and channel all the eletricity the Earth's atmospheric polarity can muster into his head. If it KOs him, she wins, if not, she just keeps him away from her and blasts anything he throws at her with wind and lightning.
Where do you get this idea that Storm is tactical enough to beat Hulk? She teamed with one of the worlds most powerful psychics and got her butt whooped by Hulk. Why are you adding to the ridiculosity of it all by saying that wind could keep him away? The man shrugs off ocean pressure, wind is gonna do nothing but tickle him. Storm loses, either way. Could she buy some time? Yes. Would it matter? No.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Basically, she can force a draw if she can't win.
She can't. She's not gonna stand there fighting the Hulk to no avail. Hulk's not going anywhere. Who's gonna retreat first? Yes. Exactly.
Hulk wins. Undoubtedly.
-AC
"The Hulk has been seen on the ocean floor a number of times and is able to breathe due to his body developing a gland which creates an oxygenated perfluorocarbon emulsion which fills his lungs and equalizes the pressure. He is therefore able to breathe fluid and avoid decompression and nitrogen narcosis."
-AC
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Alpha, read this, it was posted by Tron in the forum rules thread:
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
Tron states that unless otherwise specified, characters used in battles are to be considered to be going full bore with their powers. That's the point I'm trying to make man.
As far as tactical advantages, Storm was the leader of Xmen Blue and Gold Teams at points in the comic continuity, and Professor X gave her lead over both teams for a while when Cyclops wasn't up for the job, so she must have some kind of tactical ability. Her powers allow her to fight out of Hulk's reach, but attack with her full arsenal, as well as take away Hulk's visibility with a dense fog, that's a great tactical advantage.
Now, Storm has already stopped Hulk's heart with lightning IN the comics...
I know Hulk is stronger than Storm.
I know Hulk is (physically) more powerful than Storm.
I know Hulk is more durable than Storm.
I know Hulk in his Professor Hulk persona is smarter than Storm.
All that is a mute point when Storm has the ability to trap Hulk in a tornado and suspend him up in the air, and then does what she pleases to him, then tosses him away when she either knocks him out with lightning, or realizes her attacks are pointless and that she can't kill/incapacitate him, so she freezes him in a block of ice and deposits him somewhere then flies away. He may keep coming, but she can just keep repelling him, attacking, and regrouping.
As for you saying [in reference to Storm forcing a draw]:
"She can't. She's not gonna stand there fighting the Hulk to no avail. Hulk's not going anywhere. Who's gonna retreat first? Yes. Exactly."
If this is a boundless deathmatch, and she can't kill Hulk like she did in the comics, she could still counter anything he tries to do, so I guess her dying of old age counts as a win for Hulk.
If it's just a who can incapacitate the other match, or if the fight has a ring and boundaries, Hulk is going to have a seriously hard time getting his hands on Storm to do anything. She could blow him out the ring, suspend him above the ring in a tornado, etc.
If it's a boxing match, Hulk beats her like Ike did Tina. One punch. Maybe even just a flick of his pinky takes her out.
All powers at play, infinite strength and endurance aren't much when your opponent can keep you off your feet and themselves out of your reach.
"Where do you get this idea that Storm is tactical enough to beat Hulk? She teamed with one of the worlds most powerful psychics and got her butt whooped by Hulk. Why are you adding to the ridiculosity of it all by saying that wind could keep him away? The man shrugs off ocean pressure, wind is gonna do nothing but tickle him. Storm loses, either way. Could she buy some time? Yes. Would it matter? No."
Alpha, there's a big difference between being able to withstand the pressures at the bottom of the ocean, and being swept away and suspended in the air by a tornado. Completely different dynamics. Once Hulk leaves the ground and becomes airborne, he only weighs a little over a half ton. A tornado can rip a house off it's foundation, uproot trees, lift and toss a herd of cattle, a trailer, a truck and/or car. Cows, trailers, and some trucks and trees weigh more than the Hulk. Hulk could hold on to something if it were available, but that object had better be firmly planted in the ground.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Tron states that unless otherwise specified, characters used in battles are to be considered to be going full bore with their powers. That's the point I'm trying to make man.
I understood your point, the point I made was that not everyone adheres to it. Otherwise fights would get very boring. To add to that, Hulk has no known "full bore", unlimited strength and all that.
Originally posted by illadelph12
As far as tactical advantages, Storm was the leader of Xmen Blue and Gold Teams at points in the comic continuity, and Professor X gave her lead over both teams for a while when Cyclops wasn't up for the job, so she must have some kind of tactical ability. Her powers allow her to fight out of Hulk's reach, but attack with her full arsenal, as well as take away Hulk's visibility with a dense fog, that's a great tactical advantage.
Why is this still being discussed? She lead the X-Men, so? Captain America leads The Avengers and The Ultimates, still got whooped by Hulk. Fog isn't instant, I don't know why Storm fans assume it is. or why it is a match ender, for that matter.
Walking on the bottom of the ocean doesn't exactly have the greatest visibility. Hulk does it.
We all know Storm's not gonna win, why continue?
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, Storm has already stopped Hulk's heart with lightning IN the comics...
Also, as said by Victor: He's also had all the flesh burnt off him. He can technically regrow a whole heart, that lightning bolt wouldn't have stopped him. They CHOSE to revive him, he would have got up anyway. Besides, he was single-handedly whooping her and Cable. The fact that out of desperation she took him out for a bit doesn't matter, coz he would have came back to fight.
Originally posted by illadelph12
All that is a mute point when Storm has the ability to trap Hulk in a tornado and suspend him up in the air, and then does what she pleases to him, then tosses him away when she either knocks him out with lightning, or realizes her attacks are pointless and that she can't kill/incapacitate him, so she freezes him in a block of ice and deposits him somewhere then flies away. He may keep coming, but she can just keep repelling him, attacking, and regrouping.
Why is everyone assuming that Storm's wind can solve any problem now? Why are you even getting into that? It's Storm.....Vs The Hulk. You are basically giving us ways that she can evade with her life, not win the fight. Ice-Man froze Hulk........for a bit. Then Hulk broke out and whooped him. For christs sakes, this is Hulk we're talking about. Storm can't keep repelling him. She can't repel him end of story. He battered the shit out of her, twice. With one of the worlds most powerful mutants backing her up.
Originally posted by illadelph12
As for you saying [in reference to Storm forcing a draw]:
"She can't. She's not gonna stand there fighting the Hulk to no avail. Hulk's not going anywhere. Who's gonna retreat first? Yes. Exactly."If this is a boundless deathmatch, and she can't kill Hulk like she did in the comics, she could still counter anything he tries to do, so I guess her dying of old age counts as a win for Hulk.
Oh give me a break. Seriously. I think Vic was right, there is some drug on the pages of the X-Men comics. Counter anything he tries to do? Are you absolutely serious? In all honesty now.
Originally posted by illadelph12
If it's just a who can incapacitate the other match, or if the fight has a ring and boundaries, Hulk is going to have a seriously hard time getting his hands on Storm to do anything. She could blow him out the ring, suspend him above the ring in a tornado, etc.
Actually pointless trying to talk to most people on this forum. Wind isn't going to do anything to Hulk, regardless of the strength of it. Let us make that abundantly clear. She doesn't control her tornadoes, she creates them. Seriously, people need to stop shiatzu-ing the X-Men.
Originally posted by illadelph12
If it's a boxing match, Hulk beats her like Ike did Tina. One punch. Maybe even just a flick of his pinky takes her out.
He takes her our anyway, it's not up for debate.
Originally posted by illadelph12
All powers at play, infinite strength and endurance aren't much when your opponent can keep you off your feet and themselves out of your reach.
Storm can't do that though, in which case, she's not winning anything anyway. Storm Vs Hulk isn't gonna be a stalemate, unless she retreats she's not surviving.
Originally posted by Khellendros
Kids, it alrady f*cking happened. She killed Hulk. She had to shock his heart with another lightning bolt to restart his heart. He. Was. Dead. Whine and call it crappy writing if you want, but it's already happened in a comic.
Gambit beat Gladiator in a comic by throwing cards at his head. Credible? No. Shhh.
Stop saying "Storm killed him" with no context.
You're actually denying that it was shit writing? Even Stormfront is agreeing. She didn't HAVE to shock his heart, she chose to. Don't confuse choice and obligation. Hulk was battering her and Cable, very very easily, on his own, without trying. She isn't winning this fight.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Alpha, there's a big difference between being able to withstand the pressures at the bottom of the ocean, and being swept away and suspended in the air by a tornado. Completely different dynamics. Once Hulk leaves the ground and becomes airborne, he only weighs a little over a half ton. A tornado can rip a house off it's foundation, uproot trees, lift and toss a herd of cattle, a trailer, a truck and/or car. Cows, trailers, and some trucks and trees weigh more than the Hulk. Hulk could hold on to something if it were available, but that object had better be firmly planted in the ground.
She can't create an F5 in seconds, don't know where you're all getting these powers, truly.
Storm's been knocked out by a brick. Hulk hurls boulders/cars/anything at her repeatedly and she's gone. She can't counter them.
I think you're just being ridiculous by saying that wind could knock the Hulk about, as if the man is made of paper.
People on this forum have lost all sense of rational thought if they actually believe Storm could be The Hulk.
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'Kids, it alrady f*cking happened. She killed Hulk. She had to shock his heart with another lightning bolt to restart his heart. He. Was. Dead. Whine and call it crappy writing if you want, but it's already happened in a comic.'
'It' being what? Storm stopping his heart? Yes.
She then chose to restart it. Obviously you are privy to the knowledge of alternate universes, and saw what would have happened if she didn't.
A boy recently drowned, after being in a lake for five minutes. A boy. Young, frail, human. He revived, naturally. No lightning bolts needed.
So I'm gonna go ahead and conclude that Hulk healing factor works better than a hospital defibrillator.
Seeing as we are all going full out: a raging Hulk throwing a boulder, versus the time taken to create a hurricane. Yeah, it is that clear once you actually look at it.
Let's look at it another way. Stand against a wall, when I say go, Hulk will pick up a car and throw it at you. Storm will make a hurricane to block it. How lucky are you feeling?
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Alpha, all that sarcasm doesn't disprove any of my points of logic. Hulk WOULD be swept off his feet in a tornado. His strength doesn't change the fact he's still an object that weighs less than a truck. It's not ridiculous to say the Hulk can be tossed by wind considering heavier objects can. Being sturdy, having 'unlimited' physical strength and having a healing factor doesn't matter in this situation. You could be an indestructible block of adamantium, but if you only weigh 1,080 and aren't embedded or secured to the ground, a tornado will lift you off the ground, and hurricane winds will toss you about.
Now, your first retort was that you understood that characters are to be considered to go full bore with their abilities in this forum, and then every subsequent retort contradicts that sentiment you made by you basically saying "It doesn't matter, this is the Hulk we're talking about". I know you're very intelligent, as much if not moreso than myself, so you must also see the flaw in that line of reasoning.
Saying "Storm can't use F5 force winds" when she's done so, then saying she has to build up the wind is like people who contend that the Hulk's base strength makes him vulnerable because he has to become enraged to get stronger (which is an argument many use in Hulk vs. Superman fights) and build up to his 250 billion to mountain lifting strength. Now, if people can contend that Hulk can go from 0 (well, 100 tons, so base) to mountain tossing rage in a few moments, why can't Storm go from a gentle breeze to gale force winds or F5+ tornadoes? It seems perfectly logical given her powers, and also since I've visited Sea World in Florida and seen it go from a humid, sunny summer day to a pitch black thunderstorm in moments with lightning bolts striking flag poles, trees and the Sea World tower.
Storm (going all out as she is to be considered in this forum) could shatter objects tossed at her with lightning bolts and/or repel/divert their trajectory with wind. She could block herself from Hulk's visibility in an extremely dense fog (just because Hulk can walk at the bottom of the ocean doesn't mean he could fight an opponent he couldn't see). She could take Hulk off his feet and keep him their suspended airborne with multiple tornadoes or just on extremely large twister, and then unleash as much lightning as the Earth's polarity can generate into his body.
In this forum, she is to be considered to use the fullness of her abilities to attempt (yes, attempt, it's not guaranteed) to secure a victory, and these are all viable options for her, whether or not you personally consider her capable or incapable of doing so. It's within the bounds of her character's abilities.