Storm vs Hulk

And also, you don't need a hurricane to generate strong winds. There are places in the world with extremely strong winds without the presence of a storm/hurricane at all. For instance, the cliffs in Africa and Asia were the jet streams are so powerful that you can jump off a cliff into the wind and the wind will keep you airborne and push you back to where you jumped from. At the word go, Storm could generate a gust of wind that powerful, if not moreso, without generating a full fledged 'storm'.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hulk WOULD be swept off his feet in a tornado. His strength doesn't change the fact he's still an object that weighs less than a truck. It's not ridiculous to say the Hulk can be tossed by wind considering heavier objects can.

Can anybody name a time that a raging car with unlimited strength tried to NOT be thrown by a hurricane? Or a tree? No?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Being sturdy, having 'unlimited' physical strength and having a healing factor doesn't matter in this situation. You could be an indestructible block of adamantium, but if you only weigh 1,080 and aren't embedded or secured to the ground, a tornado will lift you off the ground, and hurricane winds will toss you about.

Yeah but what will it achieve? Nothing. Your whole arguement is "She could keep running away" essentially. That's retreating. You're not making any sense.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, your first retort was that you understood that characters are to be considered to go full bore with their abilities in this forum, and then every subsequent retort contradicts that sentiment you made by you basically saying "It doesn't matter, this is the Hulk we're talking about". I know you're very intelligent, as much if not moreso than myself, so you must also see the flaw in that line of reasoning.

Well that's what it DOES come down to in this fight Ill. Let's bring this on, full bore, right? Storm full bore Vs Hulk "full" bore. Be real. She's dead meat. Storm at fullbore cannot permanently stop the Hulk, it's debateable that she could do anything at all. Hulk doesn't have a full bore, he's that powerful. He's fast, he's agile, he's winning.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Saying "Storm can't use F5 force winds" when she's done so, then saying she has to build up the wind is like people who contend that the Hulk's base strength makes him vulnerable because he has to become enraged to get stronger (which is an argument many use in Hulk vs. Superman fights) and build up to his 250 billion to mountain lifting strength.

Can't actually believe you're trying to say Storm has a shot at winning. I didn't say she can't use F5 winds, I said she can't whip up an F5 tornado or Class 5 hurricane before Hulk has torn her to pieces.

I'll deal with the rest in the next quote...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Now, if people can contend that Hulk can go from 0 (well, 100 tons, so base) to mountain tossing rage in a few moments, why can't Storm go from a gentle breeze to gale force winds or F5+ tornadoes? It seems perfectly logical given her powers, and also since I've visited Sea World in Florida and seen it go from a humid, sunny summer day to a pitch black thunderstorm in moments with lightning bolts striking flag poles, trees and the Sea World tower.

Your arguement there is flawed. Hulk can power up in seconds because of how he powers up, chemical reaction. Storm is nothing without the weather. Her power is to control something, Hulk's isn't. Hulk's is within himself, he can quickly do that stuff. Storm can't quickly alter the planet's weather system from calm to Day After Tomorrow in under a minute to defend her life when fighting Hulk. This is all irrelevant anyway, as always with an X-Man/Woman fight. You have to go so far off to even give them a shot that it gets ridiculous.

Like Vic said, let Hulk, well pissed, throw a car at you, or something else. Entrust your life to Storm's minute time frame to defend you, you know you wouldn't coz you know it would fail.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Storm (going all out as she is to be considered in this forum) could shatter objects tossed at her with lightning bolts and/or repel/divert their trajectory with wind. She could block herself from Hulk's visibility in an extremely dense fog (just because Hulk can walk at the bottom of the ocean doesn't mean he could fight an opponent he couldn't see). She could take Hulk off his feet and keep him their suspended airborne with multiple tornadoes or just on extremely large twister, and then unleash as much lightning as the Earth's polarity can generate into his body.

Divert their trajectory with wind? What the hell? Why are you insisting on continuing this? If Hulk is lobbing 8 cars at her. No amount of wind she can conjure up that fast is gonna stop them. It doesn't have to stop at cars, anything Hulk decides to throw, he can. She's not God, she's Storm.

Fog, again with the fog. He can move out of it. Surely you're not ALL that dense as to keep bringing it up.

That last bit, one question......Hulk could very easily get to her before she does all this, coz it takes time. So...what do you think Hulk will be doing? Standing around? I can't actually believe I'm trying to show you how Hulk would beat Storm. It's not even a competition. The lack of rationale on this forum is scary.

Originally posted by illadelph12
At the word go, Storm could generate a gust of wind that powerful, if not moreso, without generating a full fledged 'storm'.

Yeah and at the word 'go' Hulk could take out the X-Men. The team, not just one or two. I seriously don't know why you're continuing this after conceding that Storm would lose. You're essentially arguing to say she'd survive.

Originally posted by illadelph12
In this forum, she is to be considered to use the fullness of her abilities to attempt (yes, attempt, it's not guaranteed) to secure a victory, and these are all viable options for her, whether or not you personally consider her capable or incapable of doing so. It's within the bounds of her character's abilities.

Yeah, but it's not within her abilities to beat Hulk, to beat Doom, to beat Wonder Woman, to beat Iron-Man, to beat any of these people that others believe she can beat.

Because..........SHE IS NOT....THAT....GOOD.

Yes, that is why. She simply is not that good. If everyone stopped pummelling the X-Men and realised that they're mediocre at very best, then you would realise there is, and would only ever be, one winner in this match and that's the Hulk.

Hulk is tearing her up before she does anything. Simple.

-AC

This is a slap in the face to say that Storm could beat Hulk!!!!
I mean I have seen fanboyism as extreme as Beast vs WonderMan but CHRIST ALMIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEOPLE we are talking about Hulk!!!!

They don't realise that it really is that simple.

I've tried it Lord Fear, rationale isn't their forte.

-AC

Personally I thought Storm vs. Dr. Doom was as lop-sided as this one.
These X-Fanatics will dream up ANYTHING to prove nobody can beat
their favorite hero. Talk about childish.
And I know I've been criticized for providing short little comments,
but it makes me feel ridiculous to sit here and explain why Storm
can't beat The Hulk!!!??!?? Or why Storm can't beat Dr. Doom!!?!!
Or why Wolverine can't beat Godzilla!!!?!!

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God, this will never end. 😆

First off, the subtle insults are unnecessary. I know that's your debating style, but you're using more wry humor and opinion than logical counters. I have respect for you and haven't insulted your intelligence, I expect the same.

Secondly, all I'm saying is that Storm could force a draw. I'm not saying she's a Hulk slayer. And no, retreat is not her only option.

Your raging car analogy is flawed and a very bad example. There's video tape of speeding cars, pick-up trucks, and mobile homes attempting to out run a tornado, being lifted off of roads. It's not a matter of Hulk's strength, it's a matter of Hulk's weight and Hulk being secured to the ground.

Storm has the ability to nullify Hulk's strength by keeping him off balance and off his feet. It takes some time to generate a full fledged hurricane, it doesn't take that much time to generate a strong wind or to blast a potential projectile with a bolt of lightning before Hulk grabs it. It's not like Hulk is going to start the fight with a pile of cars near him to toss. If you want to get technical, it is within Storm's abilities to 'beat' Hulk, it's already been displayed (though it matters on what you consider a victory, she knocked Hulk out momentarily, she didn't kill him, he would have healed eventually/momentarily). Killing him would be a different story.

"Yeah, but it's not within her abilities to beat Hulk, to beat Doom, to beat Wonder Woman, to beat Iron-Man, to beat any of these people that others believe she can beat.

Because..........SHE IS NOT....THAT....GOOD."

No, that's your opinion, that's not fact.

Ironman, Doom and Wonder Woman present completely different variables in a confrontation than Hulk does. Doom and Ironman both pack energy weapons Storm is unable to counter and Ironman and WW (and Doom with a jet pack) have the ability to fly at speeds comparable to greater than Storm's abilities, and also have the prepulsion necessary to counter wind when in mid-air.

Hulk doesn't.

"Divert their trajectory with wind? What the hell? Why are you insisting on continuing this? If Hulk is lobbing 8 cars at her. No amount of wind she can conjure up that fast is gonna stop them. It doesn't have to stop at cars, anything Hulk decides to throw, he can. She's not God, she's Storm."

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I know Storm isn't God.

An airborne projectile can have it's trajectory altered by strong winds if said object does not have an independant method of propulsion. I'm not going to get to technical because I know you know this. Storm can use wind to parry and redirect larg objects tossed at her, so long as it's not to big. I'm not saying she can alter the direction of a mountain, jetliner, or building tossed at her (she can just plain move out of the way), but she has taken down Sentinels with directed winds for a point of reference.

Hulk has to come in physical contact or toss a solid object at Storm to harm her. He can't fire gamma powered lasers from his wrist or have the Lasso of Truth. The only distance attack he has displayed besides tossing objects would be his sonic clap and Storm is immune to the effects of that just as she is immune to the effects of thunder (a concussive sonic phenoma), as well as she having the ability to generate her own thunder.

"Yeah and at the word 'go' Hulk could take out the X-Men. The team, not just one or two. I seriously don't know why you're continuing this after conceding that Storm would lose. You're essentially arguing to say she'd survive."

At the word go, Hulk could not kill the entire X men team. Maybe the original X men when Iceman threw snowballs and Beast was chubby, but not all subsequent incarnations. He's had draws with Wolverine solo (ambiguously gay draws, but draws. Logan should get crushed by a character with Class 100+ strength, even though he's "the best at what he does"😉. All of them working as a unit, it depends on which team and if Professor X is using Cerebro from the sidelines.

Storm can't 'kill' Hulk, as in, she can't injure him to an extent where he will not recover from damage she is capable of inflicting. I can't logically see that happening. No way in hell.

She can (and has been displayed to) knock him out.

The question really is:

what constitutes a victory?

Is a knockout a win, or does she have to kill him?

But anyway, this has grown pointless.

ill...and you saw what Hulk did to Storm, right? Her knocking him out is a "lower end" showing on his behalf. Doc Samson knocked Hulk out.

Actually there is little to nothing that she can do to Hulk -- but alas, that is my opinion.

actually imo it depends on where the fight is. if it is in like someplace in ruins where he can throw things then he wins easily. if it is an open field then it might be a little harder- if her can't touch her then he can't beat her. she might be able to pick him up with wind but ahst won't make her win. imo hu;lk will find some way ti win since storm can't teally hurt him.

It will never end because you insist on continuing this when you've already conceded that Hulk would win. You are debating for the sake of saying Storm could draw, she couldn't. This is just one of many ridiculous, X-Men overrating threads.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Your raging car analogy is flawed and a very bad example. There's video tape of speeding cars, pick-up trucks, and mobile homes attempting to out run a tornado, being lifted off of roads. It's not a matter of Hulk's strength, it's a matter of Hulk's weight and Hulk being secured to the ground.

MY raging car analogy was flawed and very bad? Coming from someone who believes that Hulk can simply be frozen and blown about by Storm? Please.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Storm has the ability to nullify Hulk's strength by keeping him off balance and off his feet. It takes some time to generate a full fledged hurricane, it doesn't take that much time to generate a strong wind or to blast a potential projectile with a bolt of lightning before Hulk grabs it.

Oh give me a break. She's gonna stand there zapping these objects out of existance as Hulk grabs them? She got knocked out by a brick in her own tornado, not to mention other times she's been hit by her own handywork. Where was the lightning zapping then? You're being illogical. She's not gonna float there doing all this zapping of projectiles WHILE staying alive AND keeping Hulk off the ground. Never is correct, there is little or nothing she can do to him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It's not like Hulk is going to start the fight with a pile of cars near him to toss. If you want to get technical, it is within Storm's abilities to 'beat' Hulk, it's already been displayed (though it matters on what you consider a victory, she knocked Hulk out momentarily, she didn't kill him, he would have healed eventually/momentarily). Killing him would be a different story.

Why isn't it like that? Are they fighting in the sky? Doc Samson and Juggernaut have knocked the Hulk out, but Hulk would beat both of them in a straight one on one fight. Hulk was fighting her and Cable, he was battering them both, one on one, she has no chance. Using that "she'd fly out of range" arguement doesn't work, coz she doesn't ever do that.

Originally posted by illadelph12
No, that's your opinion, that's not fact. Ironman, Doom and Wonder Woman present completely different variables in a confrontation than Hulk does. Doom and Ironman both pack energy weapons Storm is unable to counter and Ironman and WW (and Doom with a jet pack) have the ability to fly at speeds comparable to greater than Storm's abilities, and also have the prepulsion necessary to counter wind when in mid-air. Hulk doesnt.

Funny that. Coz in Secret Wars, he keeps up with others that are flying. That's how they travel, Hulk carries people by jumping and still keeps up with those who are flying. He can jump further, in a quicker time than Storm can fly. There is no height she can go where he cannot reach. He just out matches her. I'm not gonna get into a big "But he can do this, she can do this" debate. In a fight, who would win? Hulk or Storm? Answer is and always should be, to anyone who knows anything of comics, Hulk.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I know Storm isn't God. An airborne projectile can have it's trajectory altered by strong winds if said object does not have an independant method of propulsion. I'm not going to get to technical because I know you know this. Storm can use wind to parry and redirect larg objects tossed at her, so long as it's not to big. I'm not saying she can alter the direction of a mountain, jetliner, or building tossed at her (she can just plain move out of the way), but she has taken down Sentinels with directed winds for a point of reference.

As long as it's not too big? Are you under the impression that she's fighting Lou Ferrigno? Sentinels are nothing. How can she move out of the way of continuous, very large projectiles? Fact is. If Hulk wants to hit her, he is going to. We both know this. Storm has been hit by lesser opponents.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hulk has to come in physical contact or toss a solid object at Storm to harm her. He can't fire gamma powered lasers from his wrist or have the Lasso of Truth. The only distance attack he has displayed besides tossing objects would be his sonic clap and Storm is immune to the effects of that just as she is immune to the effects of thunder (a concussive sonic phenoma), as well as she having the ability to generate her own thunder.

Why are we assuming distance though? Storm doesnt fight from the clouds. Hulk can catch her, he has done, because he's fought her twice and battered her each time. He'd do so again and he'd tear her apart.

Originally posted by illadelph12
At the word go, Hulk could not kill the entire X men team. Maybe the original X men when Iceman threw snowballs and Beast was chubby, but not all subsequent incarnations. He's had draws with Wolverine solo (ambiguously gay draws, but draws. Logan should get crushed by a character with Class 100+ strength, even though he's "the best at what he does"😉. All of them working as a unit, it depends on which team and if Professor X is using Cerebro from the sidelines.

Yeah, yeah he could. He whoop Death Wolverine, he whooped Wolverine. The only time Wolverine beat him was, as you knowledged, "gay". All of them working as a unit, and Hulk going full bore, they're dead. Incase you didn't know, Hulk is immune to psychics. So Prof X would just get taken out. ANYWAY, this isn't about that.

Originally posted by illadelph12
She can (and has been displayed to) knock him out. The question really is: what constitutes a victory? Is a knockout a win, or does she have to kill him?

But anyway, this has grown pointless.

Yes it has grown pointless. From the birth of the thread.

A knockout is a win, but people hug that all too much. Juggernaut had to disguise himself so Hulk wouldn't fight back, to score the knockout....and that's Juggernaut. Storm taking him out with that lightning has been acknowledged as a lower end display by The Hulk.

You said yourself they are both to be going at full bore. So Storm dies before she can think of anything. Because a theoretical full bore Hulk could knock the Earth off it's orbit and then some, so what's he gonna do to an X-Man?

-AC

It will never end because you insist on continuing this when you've already conceded that Hulk would win. You are debating for the sake of saying Storm could draw, she couldn't. This is just one of many ridiculous, X-Men overrating threads.

so, just because i said hulk win doesn't mean that i can't post about it. and storm could pull off a draw she's no amuetar but you are acting like she is. seriously if he can't hit her then he can't win. but as i already said imo hulk wins

Firstly, I was talking to Ill with that comment. Why do you always assume I'm talking to you? We're beyond done.

Storm wouldn't draw, she wouldn't win. She'd lose, we both know that so it's done.

-AC

because i said it depends on the enviroment and you said it never depends w/ the hulk. you also said-You are debating for the sake of saying Storm could draw, she couldn't- and i felt as if you were talkin to me cause after i said hulk i said it might be a draw. you are always on me for supposidlt changing my mind about storm and doom so why not here.

....this is ridiculous.

Much of what illadelph12 says makes sense, but it all
depends on the environment.

If it was in the city, then there is nothing Storm can
do to beat to Hulk, or keep dodging all the cars and
lamp-posts he'll keep throwing at her.

But if it was in an open area, like a desert or farm
country, then I don't see what Hulk can do to hurt
her.

There won't be much to throw around, and she'll be
able to blows him off his feet with strong winds. Maybe
slam him into the ground.

I think people forget how powerful and devastating
Earth's weather can be. Just take a look at those tv
footage of hurricans and mansoons, and they'll give
an idea.

Originally posted by King Burger
Much of what illadelph12 says makes sense, but it all
depends on the environment.

If it was in the city, then there is nothing Storm can
do to beat to Hulk, or keep dodging all the cars and
lamp-posts he'll keep throwing at her.

But if it was in an open area, like a desert or farm
country, then I don't see what Hulk can do to hurt
her.

There won't be much to throw around, and she'll be
able to blows him off his feet with strong winds. Maybe
slam him into the ground.

I think people forget how powerful and devastating
Earth's weather can be. Just take a look at those tv
footage of hurricans and mansoons, and they'll give
an idea.

that is possible (however unlikely...)

but tell me how is any of that going to hurt the hulk?

Hulk is not indestructable, and he can be knocked
out, if not necessariyl killed, by Storm.

Repeated hits by lightning, or repeated slams
against the ground, may cause him to black-out.

(I am assuming a fight in the desert for example).

do you know how hard she will have to hit him to knock him down? this is a guy who trades punches with the likes of onslaught and the juggernaut...

i cant see her knocking him out...

Dudes really, do you actually think that Storm has a chance in hell to defeat someone the likes of the Hulk?

If you guys can reason Storm defeating the hulk after seeing her "team up" against guys like the Juggernaut and Gladiator(Both whom the hulk went toe to toe with on many occasions) then youre indeed insane.

Too put it simply, the hulk is just "too much" for storm to handle, I mean c'mon, the hulk beat the crap out of a Thunder God(Thor) on many occasions, toppled Superman, beat down Gladiator, toppled the Juggernaut, shook up Onslaught(whom Storm couldn't even touch)..

The hulk is just on another level of power than that of storm, yeah, one could argue that she could stay her distance(retreat) and toss fierce winds and throw lightning bolts and create ice storms etc..etc..But that would only slow the hulk down and piss him off even more than he already is...

Storms best bet is to flee and hurl objects because while the hulk could laugh off her attacks, the same cannot be said for Storm facing a damaging, hellified hulk smash....All the hulk needs is one blow, and I know the writers aren't going to let Storm get a flawless victory off of Marvels answer to Superman.....

Storm has no chance in hell of winning, this topic shouldn't even be up for debate, the Rogue vs Hulk topic made more sense than this....

Well, what if she forcibly dropped him on his head from around 30,000 feet? Like swept him up to the stratosphere in a cyclone, then forced him down with winds of mach 3-5 onto his head. Would the force of the impact phase him?

The hulk has survived "Nukes", atomic bombs, (as a matter of fact)did you see the battle between the hulk vs Gladiator, he literally fell from space....and got up and proceeded to dish out some a'whoopin...

Storm had better use her flying ability to her advantage because her best bet would be to run in cowardice....

The hulk literally beat Thor into the ground on many occasions, what makes you think this "teamster"(Storm) has a chance??