Bush = Hitler!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Protocol ....AND LAW!...exist for a reason. Unlike yourself, others have observed the world and drawn conclusions in regard to the actions of unchecked individuals in power. This is one of the most irresponsible claims I've ever heard you make. Or, should I just sympathize because you don't know what "protocol" means? You confuse "protocol" with "consideration of the enemy". But that's utter horse shit! Protocol is the interaction of humans. An understanding of differences. And if you think that short term actions like weapons or absurd displays of superiority are the answer, you aren't paying attention to history. And, you're more the cause of the problem than you are the solution.

Yeah, protocol--etiquette, manners, whatever you you wanna call it. My point: unnecessary.

The UN is a joke that doesn't do anything. It's a large complex thats taking up alotta prime real-estate in east Manhattan.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Why do folks actually HATE Bush? I can understand not agreeing with his policies but how can people actually hate the president?

Is it just me, or is KMC full of tree-humping lefties?

agreed!

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Iraq and Afghanistan were even bigger shit-holes before, and when have Americans ever been popular?

The world loves our movies and music, but they hate us--go figure.

I'd say between 1783 and 2002.

Sure, you had the Indian Massacres, the Segregation, the Vietnam War. the Communist persecution and the first Iraq War...but I wouldn't say hate...to a great extend even admiration ... but well, Adolf Bush blew it...

Word to you, Bardock42. Word. To. You.

Thunderstrike> "Well, one turkey got the ball rolling, and that's Micheal Moore. Mr. Moore is a overexposed moron. He is well known for throwing around propaganda for the sake of the Democratic party, which is is an outspoken member of. He spreads deceit and doubt around the country trying to turn the whole nation against their own leader. Well, here's the thing: Micheal Moore is a fat liar. I'm not kidding. Many of the "sources" he has more than likely doctor their information."

Hmm. WHere's the proof that Mr. Moore is lying? You attacking the man personally as being fat and in your world a moron, does not make his arguments untrue. What sources "doctored" their information? How do you know they did?
Why is anyone who disagrees with you an idiot?

The Black Ghost> You still haven't answered me.
- What was the argument for invading Iraq?

- Karmadog never said, that Iraq had absolutely no strategic advantage or intention of attacking the U.S. He was quoting Rice and Powell.

- How do you know, that Saddam Hussein would have attacked the USA given the chance? Did he tell you that? Why should he do so, knowing the retaliation?

- Is or isn't it true, that after Saddam Hussein has been removed, things are worse in Iraq than ever, and the number of religious fundamentalists is rising?

- Why do you deny the possibility that the American general admitting that president Bush was seeking a war with Iraq is telling the truth? Why, in your belief-system, must he be lying, simply because he de-glorifies the reasons behind the invasion of Iraq?

- "But at least they dont commit mass murder" At least??? So for you to see a justification of the American administration to invade another country, it's regime must commit mass murder? If massmurder is committed in a country, should the US then invade promptly?

- What WMD did Iraq have?

- What terrorists did they harbour? (Hussein actually made Al-Queda illegal years ago, his regime was secular, and Al-Queda are religious fundamentalists). Slaughter of the Kurds were done to, among things, attack the terrorist group PKK, who wanted an independent Kurdistan.

- Would you call the person behind the Oklahoma bombing a terrorist?

- Is it possible that terrorist hide in a country, without the CONSENT of the government?

- "And Afghanistan is far from 'a mess' right now." In what ways?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Protocol ....AND LAW!...exist for a reason.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
My point: unnecessary.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
First of all, I keep hearing from you that I can't make my own opinions and I just use other people's evidence...thats got to be as far from the truth as you can go. If I was the one who based all my opinions off of your propaganda I wouldn't be supporting the minority opinion of Bush in America, I would have taken the easy way, read one of your stupid articles and said "yep, Bush was responsible for 9/11." ---I still cant get over how you support this childish idea about Bush and 9/11 because of some stupid site on the internet and a newspaper article from Florida. I can stand people who think Bush isnt the best president if they at least have good support for their opinions but this is just retarded , to say the least.

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You say Im too frightened to hear the truth. Maybe I am just smart enough to seperate fact from fiction. The story is so pathetic I cant beleive it was even made. i just watched the preview for "Martial Law" and I have been laughing about it for the past hour. It is so ****ing phony- it reminds me of the moon hoax argument. You ARE retarded if you can listen to something like that and beleive it. It says how we are all being held in slavery and that martial law is going to 'shake the west' and some crap like that. I looked at countless other things concerning the topic of 9/11, Bush, and Iraq and I couldnt stand how stupid some of it was. Like, think realistically, do you honestly think Donald Rumsfeld really sold Saddam WMDs just to prove he had them? How can you trust ANYTHING on a site like this? Its probably run by terrrorists!

This whole arguement is bulls**t and some day when you grow up you should figure that out and learn to use LOGIC when making conclusions about things.

some day when YOU grow up you'll learn you know that back then you knew nothing whatsoever about how government works.that you have no logic whatsoever kid.I have given you dozens of sites to look at that have proof Bush had prior knowledge and the governmnet knew about it all the time,you however dont want to take the time to look through that documented evidence because your in denial on the whole issue since its too frightening for you to accept.you tell captain fantastic he knows nothing about government when its Clearly YOU who doesn't.you may make your own opinions but you dont know nothing about logic or common sense,the reason this discussion is going on is because the facts of the case dont fit the explanation given by the governement.you've been basing you opioinos on the propoganga the government keeps feeding you.I still cant believe how you support the governments childish idea that Bush had no prior knowledge despite the overwhelming evidence that clearly shows he did.why do you think people like charlie sheen is on CNN praising alex jones.He knows alex has done his homeworka and has the proof to back it up.you choose to ignore all that evidence presented to you so your obviously living in a world of denial since you cannot handle the truth.No its retarded that you ignore all the overwhelming proof you cant handle.I have given you TWO sites to look at but you dont want to look at the evidence because you dont want to get out of your comfort zone.

no you clearly cant separate facts from fiction,the governemts explanation is fiction.those two sites present facts,just admit it frightens you.no YOU are retarded if you you dopnt believe it.clearly in denial as usual you are.yes he sold them.you still HAVENT shown me the link to your false calim that alex jones said Bush planted bombs in the building as well.show me that link that you so much believe that he said Bush planted bombs in the building or shut the heel up because that just proves your delusional and dont know what your talking about.

Oh, snap, it's Mr. Parker! And I agree with him!

Bush had prior knowledge, but his agenda was to go to war with Iraq, and this gave him the perfect excuse. I don't know about the whole bombs in the WTC, that seems a little too out there. But he definitly knew about Osama and etc.

I haven't argued with you in a while. This is a little off topic, but PM me if you heard that Spiderman got organics in the comic book now too, not just the movie. hahaha you must be pissed.

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
I forgot to ask one last question Parker: What would Bush gain from being responsible for 9/11? I encourage a well-supported, reasonable answer; if you can't do that then I suggest a trip back to the fifth grade.

I shouldnt bother wasting my time to someone who doesnt know anything about logic or common sense and is afraid of the truth like some others here on this thread are as well and I know I might as well just be talking to a wall here ut here it goes anyways.Thats a simple question to answer.Bush is a puppet just like all presidents before him were,if you dont believe that presidents are puppets,that they are just doing what the elite want them to do-the people that put Presidents in power,then you clearly are not worth my time anymore.Bush just like the large corporations and big businesses run by the elite,profited from the attacks.War is the number one money maker for big businesses and Bush went along with it and was rewarded with profits and a reelection for his evil doings.you keep ignoring the fatcs that there were REAL FBI agents begging Bush to look into the evidence they had that there was terrorists being trained to sabatogoge the WTC.these arent just fictional people we are talking about,these are REAL people going to bush with knowledge terrorists are going to attack and they have told independent investigaters Bush threatened with them with arrest if they tried to stop the attacks.wake up and smell the folgers and stop believeing the governments propoganda they force down your throat.. 🙄

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Oh, snap, it's Mr. Parker! And I agree with him!

Bush had prior knowledge, but his agenda was to go to war with Iraq, and this gave him the perfect excuse. I don't know about the whole bombs in the WTC, that seems a little too out there. But he definitly knew about Osama and etc.

I haven't argued with you in a while. This is a little off topic, but PM me if you heard that Spiderman got organics in the comic book now too, not just the movie. hahaha you must be pissed.

damn I hate it that YOU agree with me on this. 😄 no need to pm you about that though because yeah thats old news,I already knew about it.but yeah your right,we havent argued in a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time.that being the case,since we actually agree with each other about something I would NEVER have figured YOU to have logic on, 😄 see if you can try and reason with these people like ghost and thunderstrike,those two little kiddies who just want to let it go through one ear and out the other that Bush Knew all along about Osama.

on the other hand,it would just be a waste of time to do so.People like captain fastastic shoot down their pathetic logic and they go and tell him he knows nothing about government when its clearly those two that know nothing whatsoever about government.

you basically just have to do a google search and thousands of articles come up, on the connection between the bush family and the bin laden family

Originally posted by The Omega
Thunderstrike> "Well, one turkey got the ball rolling, and that's Micheal Moore. Mr. Moore is a overexposed moron. He is well known for throwing around propaganda for the sake of the Democratic party, which is is an outspoken member of. He spreads deceit and doubt around the country trying to turn the whole nation against their own leader. Well, here's the thing: Micheal Moore is a fat liar. I'm not kidding. Many of the "sources" he has more than likely doctor their information."

Hmm. WHere's the proof that Mr. Moore is lying? You attacking the man personally as being fat and in your world a moron, does not make his arguments untrue. What sources "doctored" their information? How do you know they did?
Why is anyone who disagrees with you an idiot?

Here's the big problem: Moore has never proven anything he's said. Ever. This whole "Bush is like Adolf Hitler" is a load of crap. Tell that to a Holocaust survivor, and see what they say to you. So don't bring this "Micheal Moore is right" junk to the table with me because you don't have an understanding of what life is like in the United States, a sense of history, or anything that makes an argument valid. Micheal Moore has been waging a smear campaign on the Republican party since the moment he became popular. Why? Because he's a bleeding heart liberal that's never worked a day in his life. THAT is why I call him a fat idiot. He's never had to work construction to feed his family. He's been a politician since he was a kid, and since then, he has also been a liar. I'm a hard working young man who has a soon to be wife to provide for, and I don't see what Micheal Moore is saying as anywhere near true. I don't see anyone who says Bush is like Hitler as truth either. America may not be the ideal nation, but I enjoy living here. I know that if I opposed the occupation of Iraq, and the soldiers there, whom some are my friends, then I would be spitting on the graves of every man who died for my freedom here in America. It's not my place to question leaders, and it's not Micheal Moore's either. I'm an advocate of the Red, White, and Blue, and I always will be. I love my country, and I will always stick with it. If you don't like it sir, then you can always leave. If you're from another country, there's not point in calling names, because that's just rude. We haven't done anything to you.
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Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Here's the big problem: Moore has never proven anything he's said. Ever. This whole "Bush is like Adolf Hitler" is a load of crap.

Once again, tell me where the correlation was made between Bush and Hitler. Also, tell me where these corruption links have been disproven.

Personally, Capt_Fantastic, I really don't care. I don't believe a word they're saying. I've said my two cents, and that's that. No need to continue an argument that didn't really have any point in the first place. Bush doesn't = Hitler. Bush = Bush.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I really don't care.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
If you're from another country, there's not point in calling names, because that's just rude. We haven't done anything to you.

"I read the news today, Oh boy..." - I guess you've never been able to say that, Marcus...

Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, most of the EU, most of the Middle East, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, most of South America, etc, etc, etc...

American foreign policy affects the world. Under Bush's 'guidance' these effects have been mostly detrimental. Anyone with even a slight knowledge of events outside their own country would know this. Seeing as you don't know this, what does that say about you?

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I know that if I opposed the occupation of Iraq, and the soldiers there, whom some are my friends, then I would be spitting on the graves of every man who died for my freedom here in America. It's not my place to question leaders, and it's not Micheal Moore's either. I'm an advocate of the Red, White, and Blue, and I always will be. I love my country, and I will always stick with it.

Good job of showing how little you actually think for yourself.

If you don't like Michael Moore, that's fine, but if you actually think you should be a sheep and not question your leaders, you're a fool.

The very founders of this nation gave the people the right, within the Declaration of Independance and the Bill of Rights, to question it's leaders and if the time ever came, to overthrow the government.

And if you don't believe me, the Declaration bit is in my sig, and in the Bill of Rights, it's the Second amendment, "The right to bear arms".

You don't have to stop loving your country to disagree with it's leaders and policies. Where you found the correlation I will never know.

[i]It's not my place to question leaders, and it's not Micheal Moore's either. I'm an advocate of the Red, White, and Blue, and I always will be. I love my country, and I will always stick with it. If you don't like it sir, then you can always leave. If you're from another country, there's not point in calling names, because that's just rude. We haven't done anything to you.
usaflag [/B]

Wow, guess I'm more patriotic than you since my allegiance is to the constitution and to te American ideal, not to it's leaders. Remember your seventh grade civics class. It's your responsibility to hold your leaders accountable since they are working for you, not the other way around. If you think it's not your place to question your leaders, then you're a shitty american who doesn't care enough about his country to keep a retard from running it into the ground and would probably be more comfortable in Mexico or Turkmenistan. And I guess according to you I should "leave" if I don't like the government? how assbackwards is that?
And for the record, if you look at history since the spanish american war, we've royally ****ed over the world to our own detriment.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Good job of showing how little you actually think for yourself.

If you don't like Michael Moore, that's fine, but if you actually think you should be a sheep and not question your leaders, you're a fool.

The very founders of this nation gave the people the right, within the Declaration of Independance and the Bill of Rights, to question it's leaders and if the time ever came, to overthrow the government.

And if you don't believe me, the Declaration bit is in my sig, and in the Bill of Rights, it's the Second amendment, "The right to bear arms".

You don't have to stop loving your country to disagree with it's leaders and policies. Where you found the correlation I will never know.

so true,so true.Yeah he pretty much does a great job of showing how he cant think for himself. 😄

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Wow, guess I'm more patriotic than you since my allegiance is to the constitution and to te American ideal, not to it's leaders. Remember your seventh grade civics class. It's your responsibility to hold your leaders accountable since they are working for you, not the other way around. If you think it's not your place to question your leaders, then you're a shitty american who doesn't care enough about his country to keep a retard from running it into the ground and would probably be more comfortable in Mexico or Turkmenistan. And I guess according to you I should "leave" if I don't like the government? how assbackwards is that?
And for the record, if you look at history since the spanish american war, we've royally ****ed over the world to our own detriment.

Yeah your the patriotic one,he is not in the least the fact that he doesnt even question the leaders of this country when they need to be held accountable for their actions.he sure is a shitty american to not question his leaders of the this country the usa and doesnt care to try and keep a retard from running it into the ground. 👆