Originally posted by deathslash
😐 You're seriously not impressed that he held his own against several different class 50-100 characters? I don't have the issue number but here's a link to Cage's fights and multiple feats. Just scroll down the page until you see all of his different fights.
http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/...hp?topic=4305.0If you scroll down the page, there will be more pages to click on that show Cage's multiple feats(sort of like how you can go to the multiple pages on the threads)
I'm not saying that I'm not impressed with him...what I am saying is, he didn't best anyone worth mentioning. Both Rhino and Absorbing man are jobbed. Captain America straight up owned Rhino with ease. Absorbing man has been owned by streets levels as well. That's why I am asking you who Cage has defeated worth mentioning.
Originally posted by deathslash
He beat Rhino twice (once when he was still just a 3 tonner), oneshotted Ironclad, beatdown Doctor Doom, more or less stalemated the hulk, straight up beat Absorbing Man, held his own against Wonderman, fought namor on three separate occasions (fought him in the water twice during AVX and even drew blood from him while they fought in the water), and stalemated Ironman for quite a while.
He beat Rhino in the current telling of his origin to make him look good, and Rhino is a huge jobber anyway. The next time he fought Rhino, he did okay, but Rhino didn't even have his suit.
Him beating Ironclad is the same thing, a solo hero beating a jobber to look good.
Doom? Really? In the same issue where Doom owed Cage like 500 bucks and refused to pay, so the writer got really blaxploitative to show that a black man always finds a way to get his money and they're really scary? In the same issue, Doom says his armor has stood up easily to the likes of Hulk, Namor and others, but only Cage has hit it in the same spot until it broke. And he cowered before Cage near the end and was too afraid to not pay him back.
He fought a weaker Hulk who was still on top of the entire fight until Cage ran.
He fought Wonderman and Wonderman ended up holding Cage by the throat with Cage trying to explain the situation.
He oneshotted Absorbing Man because he absorbed a marble column. And last time I checked, steel is more durable than marble. Also AM is a jobber and pretty dumb. But considering he's tanked hits from Hulk and Sentry without transforming...well that fights a little suspect.
You can't use AvX fights as it's clear through that entire arc, Marvel was trying to paint the mutants as bad guys, so the Avengers were getting wins they had no business getting. Like Black Widow beating Magik, or Iron Man beating Magneto while he was drawing energy from over half the planets in our solar system. Hell, Thing somehow managed to pin Namor to the ground underwater with 2 giant fish fangs and he couldn't free himself for a bit.
And I don't recall him fighting Iron Man. If you've got scans though, I'd like to see them.
Simply put, Cage is a much lower level Colossus with his durability outweighing his strength. On paper, and on panel. He's good, he's strong as all hell, and all that stuff. But everything he is, Colossus is more of.
And while it's safe to say that he's learned from Danny over the years, Cage rarely if ever shows any skill. While Colossus on the other hand has trained extensively from the best MA's the X-Men have to offer, and almost exclusively used nothing but skill in his early days, and now shows it off enough to know that he still has it.
Also, you don't seem to be taking into account that Cage did so well in those fights because he was a solo hero against either bad guys, bad guys made to job for him, or weaker versions of people. When he fought Wonderman, that fight was over quick.
Cage is one of my favorites, but I don't see him taking on WWH, or Savage Hulk, or S'ym, or the Beast of Badoon, or Juggernaut. Etc, etc, etc...
Colossus wins. He's stronger, more durable, faster(yes, he has tons of on panel feats of being fast as hell), more skilled, etc...
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not saying that I'm not impressed with him...what I am saying is, he didn't best anyone worth mentioning. Both Rhino and Absorbing man are jobbed. Captain America straight up owned Rhino with ease. Absorbing man has been owned by streets levels as well. That's why I am asking you who Cage has defeated worth mentioning.
Who's Colossus ever defeated worth mentioning?
Anyways, this fight would be super close nowadays. I honestly expect it to be 50/50. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if some writers had Cage win.
Originally posted by KingD19Come on man you forgot about Gladiator! Colossus also was fighting Red Hulk without using Cyttorak power and was actually getting the better of War Machine also even though he was blindsided twice..
Cage is one of my favorites, but I don't see him taking on WWH, or Savage Hulk, or S'ym, or the Beast of Badoon, or Juggernaut. Etc, etc, etc...
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not saying that I'm not impressed with him...what I am saying is, he didn't best anyone worth mentioning. Both Rhino and Absorbing man are jobbed. Captain America straight up owned Rhino with ease. Absorbing man has been owned by streets levels as well. That's why I am asking you who Cage has defeated worth mentioning.
Iron Fist? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by KingD19😬
He beat Rhino in the current telling of his origin to make him look good, and Rhino is a huge jobber anyway. The next time he fought Rhino, he did okay, but Rhino didn't even have his suit.Him beating Ironclad is the same thing, a solo hero beating a jobber to look good.
Doom? Really? In the same issue where Doom owed Cage like 500 bucks and refused to pay, so the writer got really blaxploitative to show that a black man always finds a way to get his money and they're really scary? In the same issue, Doom says his armor has stood up easily to the likes of Hulk, Namor and others, but only Cage has hit it in the same spot until it broke. And he cowered before Cage near the end and was too afraid to not pay him back.
He fought a weaker Hulk who was still on top of the entire fight until Cage ran.
He fought Wonderman and Wonderman ended up holding Cage by the throat with Cage trying to explain the situation.
He oneshotted Absorbing Man because he absorbed a marble column. And last time I checked, steel is more durable than marble. Also AM is a jobber and pretty dumb. But considering he's tanked hits from Hulk and Sentry without transforming...well that fights a little suspect.
You can't use AvX fights as it's clear through that entire arc, Marvel was trying to paint the mutants as bad guys, so the Avengers were getting wins they had no business getting. Like Black Widow beating Magik, or Iron Man beating Magneto while he was drawing energy from over half the planets in our solar system. Hell, Thing somehow managed to pin Namor to the ground underwater with 2 giant fish fangs and he couldn't free himself for a bit.
And I don't recall him fighting Iron Man. If you've got scans though, I'd like to see them.
Simply put, Cage is a much lower level Colossus with his durability outweighing his strength. On paper, and on panel. He's good, he's strong as all hell, and all that stuff. But everything he is, Colossus is more of.
And while it's safe to say that he's learned from Danny over the years, Cage rarely if ever shows any skill. While Colossus on the other hand has trained extensively from the best MA's the X-Men have to offer, and almost exclusively used nothing but skill in his early days, and now shows it off enough to know that he still has it.
Also, you don't seem to be taking into account that Cage did so well in those fights because he was a solo hero against either bad guys, bad guys made to job for him, or weaker versions of people. When he fought Wonderman, that fight was over quick.
Cage is one of my favorites, but I don't see him taking on WWH, or Savage Hulk, or S'ym, or the Beast of Badoon, or Juggernaut. Etc, etc, etc...
Colossus wins. He's stronger, more durable, faster(yes, he has tons of on panel feats of being fast as hell), more skilled, etc...
Yeah... Cage was still doing just fine throughout that entire fight.
Yeah, Wonderman had him by the throat after they had a fairly extended fight. Cage landed multiple hits and held his own. It doesn't matter if he lost because he still held his own against a Sentry level character.
I most certainly remember that Magick pretended to be knocked out and then cheapshotted Widow (Magick won that fight), it's not incrediably hard to believe that Ironman could knock out a distracted Magneto by cheapshotting him, yes that Thing vs Namor fight was PIS though.
Just follow the link and scroll down the page to see Cage's numerous feats. Yes, the Luke vs Ironman fight is on that website.
I honestly can't call this fight. I mean they have pretty much the same powers just manifested and obtained in different ways. They both had upgrades on their already superhuman strengths. Basing it on who they fought doesn't really say much. This has to based on skill and who trained them with colossus being trained by wolverine and cyclops and cage being trained by iron fist.