Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I know he is less durable than wolverine.I'm talking speculation on the force of the attack is all, thats all I was clearing up, and you said it wouldn't work. I'd given you two examples to work with.
But arent you speculating on the examples you have given for comparison?
At the end of the day we dont need to compare something propelled by a hurricane to venom throwing a car. We know that in a properly written comic which ignored spideys popularity that if a powerhouse connected with spidey full on he would get hurt badly. If winds can make grass penetrate concrete then imagine what damage can be wrought with and to an enhanced human body propelled at 300 mph. Winds will be very effective.
Originally posted by GalacticStormI just told you the force in relation to the mass of the attack AND relating it to the mass of the surrounding "board" they will land on. Even the proficiency.
But arent you speculating on the examples you have given for comparison?At the end of the day we dont need to compare something propelled by a hurricane to venom throwing a car. We know that in a properly written comic which ignored spideys popularity that if a powerhouse connected with spidey full on he would get hurt badly. If winds can make grass penetrate concrete then imagine what damage can be wrought with and to an enhanced human body propelled at 300 mph. Winds will be very effective.
Wind has very little mass so it will do considerably less damage than a superhuman slam, was all I was saying.
That wasn't speculation, it was you saying a broad generalization on durability/velocity and force that caused me concern.
That and you like the last word. 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I just told you the force in relation to the mass of the attack AND relating it to the mass of the surrounding "board" they will land on. Even the proficiency.Wind has very little mass so it will do considerably less damage than a superhuman slam, was all I was saying.
That wasn't speculation, it was you saying a broad generalization on durability/velocity and force that caused me concern.
That and you like the last word. 😛
What do you mean i like the last word? 😕 😱
Dont bring up the grass to concrete thing.
Grass has very little surface area, concrete is not very dense. Thus the grass easily penetrates the concrete.
I can knock a nail into concrete with a hammer, but if I hit it at the wrong angle, nothing.
Same with grass. The grass has to hit it at the correct angle to penetrate, or nothing.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Dont bring up the grass to concrete thing.Grass has very little surface area, concrete is not very dense. Thus the grass easily penetrates the concrete.
I can knock a nail into concrete with a hammer, but if I hit it at the wrong angle, nothing.
Same with grass. The grass has to hit it at the correct angle to penetrate, or nothing.
A car crash leaves wolverines guts lying on the floor. He can survive that because of his healing factor. If the same thing happened to Spidey he'd most likely R.I.P. If Spidey gets slammed into a skyscraper at 300 mph what do you thinks gonna happen? If Storms feeling kinda sadistic and repeats the process for 10 mins do you think spidey will still be wisecracking? 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStormTechnically wolverine isn't a regenerator, but I'm not getting into that.
A car crash leaves wolverines guts lying on the floor. He can survive that because of his healing factor. If the same thing happened to Spidey he'd most likely R.I.P. If Spidey gets slammed into a skyscraper at 300 mph what do you thinks gonna happen? If Storms feeling kinda sadistic and repeats the process for 10 mins do you think spidey will still be wisecracking? 😕
I did tell you that not ONLY was this out of character, but now you are changing it and saying for 10 minutes, I am saying he can take a single slam.
Oh and a skyscraper wouldn't be a wise plase to do it, simply because spiderman has numerous walls to adhere and cling to, thats his environment.
Alright. I've got a lot to say.
First, I'm going to try a new method here. I'm just going to say that I'm right, and that's that. Hey, it works with GS.
Spiderman has SUPERHUMAN DURABILITY. The only reason Wolverine (I hate bringing him into this) has a higher durabilty level is because he regenerate. Not because he is more durable. If you should Wolverine and Spidey in the same spot, the bullet would pass through Wolverine, but probably not go all the way through Spiderman. He is much more dense due to his superhuman musculature. And it also wouldn't hurt him as much. And I dare you to say that Wolverine doesn't feel pain. Spiderman just can take more punishment than Wolverine (sans healing factor). And has been shown to do this in basically every comic of his.
Here comes wolverine8888 now: "WOLVERINE DOESN'T FEEL PAIN AT ALL! HE'S LONG AGO SHUT THAT OUT OF HIS SYSTEM!"
Yea, anyway.
How the hell did Storm hurt Colossus with lightning? Normally, I wouldn't get so upset about this, except for the fact that ELECTRICITY DOESN'T HARM COLOSSUS. His entire body is a conductor with no flesh to attack. The electricity from the lightning just passes right through him. So I'd really love to hear how her lightning made Colossus weep in pain.
Spiderman could easily survive a jump out of an airplane. Like a ninja (only far better), he knows how to land from extreme heights. Webbing helps, too.
And I agree completely with C-Master. Storm can control where the lightning strikes, but she's not about to control the lightning mid-strike. That would mean she can think and react faster than lightning. Which is crap. And are we forgetting Spiderman's spider sense? He'll already know where it's going, and he'll dodge in plenty of time. Hell, he does it with streams of machine gun fire. He can do it with her lightning bolts.
He's dodged Elektro's lightning bolts. In even closer quarters as well. He can dodge Storm's.
Tornado time. Without the debris the tornado picks up, it wouldn't be half as destructive as it is. People have survived being sucked up and flung around in tornadoes because they didn't hit anything. The wind will do nothing to Spiderman except hinder him.
And now if you think it'll kill Spiderman to smash him in the ground using the tornado wins, I disagree again.
Big surprise there, eh?
Spidey has taken far more abuse than the impact of hitting the ground at such high speeds. There would be no disorientation either. You know, that whole superhuman equilibrium thing he's got going for him. He'll get his feet underneath him and land roughly, but he'll land without breaking anything at all.
He can also cling to a wall as she attempts to blow him off. Without sucess of course. In terms of adhesiveness, just one of his fingers is capable of holding several tons of weight when clinging to a surface. And since torndado winds can only get to about approximately 250 mph. Which wouldn't exceed his durability factor nor his clinging strength when hit by it. So all Spidey really needs to do is cling to a wall or the ground to avoid being flung around.
Go ahead. Counter it.
Her best chance, as someone already pointed out, would be cold. The cold would definitely hinder him to the point of slowing him down. And then perhaps Storm can hit him with a few lightning bolts until he's dead. That's pretty much all she's got.
Again, Storm will definitely win the majority. Being that she can fly mostly. If you took away her flight, this fight would be FAR different. But, because of her flight, she wins this fight 8/10 times.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A car crash leaves wolverines guts lying on the floor. He can survive that because of his healing factor. If the same thing happened to Spidey he'd most likely R.I.P. If Spidey gets slammed into a skyscraper at 300 mph what do you thinks gonna happen? If Storms feeling kinda sadistic and repeats the process for 10 mins do you think spidey will still be wisecracking? 😕
And apparently I've got a bit more to say now.
Spidey would survive the car crash. And no, I'm just saying that. Just that he would. He has superhuman durability. I didn't make him up, that's just the way he is.
And Spidey would probably not enjoy being flung into the skyscraper, but I don't think it would harm him NEARLY as much as you think. Especially because then he would just cling to the side of the building. And then Storm's winds would be renderred futile as she continues to yank him off the wall.
Too bad he can easily keep himself on that wall even against Storm's tornado winds.
Yes, I can just picture Spider-Man clinging to a wall in tornado-force winds. 😛
Spiderman: If I can just REACH it ... got it! *clings to wall* Now she won't be able to fl --
*a chunk of debris hits the clinging Spider-Man at far more force than a bullet, which is already enough to kill him*
Storm: That was too easy.
Originally posted by Orestes
Yes, I can just picture Spider-Man clinging to a wall in tornado-force winds. 😛Spiderman: If I can just REACH it ... got it! *clings to wall* Now she won't be able to fl --
*a chunk of debris hits the clinging Spider-Man at far more force than a bullet, which is already enough to kill him*
Storm: That was too easy.
And I'm not arguing that point. In fact, I agree that that could happen. I was just saying how wind alone will do nothing to Spiderman.
Actually, I think he could dodge the debris if he wanted to sacrifice his hold on the wall. It's really up to him. Either he gets hit and continues to hold on, though in some rather intense pain, or he dodges the debris and flies around again, only to eventually grab another wall. So the process can start all over again.
So, in short. I agree.
Originally posted by Jargon343
Seriously, anyone who can control the weather can beat any terrestrial superhero. Someone who controls the weather can take out nations alone.
You take away her flight though, and she's easily brought down a whole level.
I think the odds would be completely turned around in favor of Spiderman if Storm couldn't fly.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You take away her flight though, and she's easily brought down a whole level.I think the odds would be completely turned around in favor of Spiderman if Storm couldn't fly.
Well sure, but then you're not really talking about Storm anymore, are you?
That'd be like me saying, "I think the Punisher could beat Spider-Man a lot more often if Spider-Man didn't have a spider sense or super reflexes." It'd be TRUE, but so what? 😉
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. I've got a lot to say.First, I'm going to try a new method here. I'm just going to say that I'm right, and that's that. Hey, it works with GS.
Spiderman has SUPERHUMAN DURABILITY. The only reason Wolverine (I hate bringing him into this) has a higher durabilty level is because he regenerate. Not because he is more durable. If you should Wolverine and Spidey in the same spot, the bullet would pass through Wolverine, but probably not go all the way through Spiderman. He is much more dense due to his superhuman musculature. And it also wouldn't hurt him as much. And I dare you to say that Wolverine doesn't feel pain. Spiderman just can take more punishment than Wolverine (sans healing factor). And has been shown to do this in basically every comic of his.
At the end of the day Wolverine can survive after having taken more damage than spiderman. Spidermans skin by his own admission is far from bulletproof, so that fact plus the absence of a healing factor means his durability is nothing to shout about. Therefore he is level 3 in the ratings which is enhanced human. Superhuman as you wrongly believe him to be is level 6 and the likes of Thor, Hercules, Sentry and so on belong to that class. Do you see how ridiculous you're being? Above spideys class are the regenerators (L4) and those who are bulletproof(L5) All of Storms arsenal could kill him. A wind slam of 300 mph will either kill him or hospitalise him. Please have some common sense.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
How the hell did Storm hurt Colossus with lightning? Normally, I wouldn't get so upset about this, except for the fact that ELECTRICITY DOESN'T HARM COLOSSUS. His entire body is a conductor with no flesh to attack. The electricity from the lightning just passes right through him. So I'd really love to hear how her lightning made Colossus weep in pain.
Colossus' melting point is 9000 degress for fractions of a second lightnings temperature can match the surface temperature of the sun. In a rage Storm turned against the X-men she was throwing lightning bolts around and they were naturally attracted to colossus' metal form. He said it was far too painful to approach storm before getting blasted across the room. (Essential Xmen Vol 3)
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spiderman could easily survive a jump out of an airplane. Like a ninja (only far better), he knows how to land from extreme heights. Webbing helps, too.
No he could not. From airplanes even skyscrapers are miniscule specks and you want to tell me that if spidey fell to the ground he could land on his feet and be just fine? Nonsense. You people overrate this mans durability. Luckily enough the comics and handbooks dispute your claims which is good for me.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I agree completely with C-Master. Storm can control where the lightning strikes, but she's not about to control the lightning mid-strike. That would mean she can think and react faster than lightning. Which is crap. And are we forgetting Spiderman's spider sense? He'll already know where it's going, and he'll dodge in plenty of time. Hell, he does it with streams of machine gun fire. He can do it with her lightning bolts.He's dodged Elektro's lightning bolts. In even closer quarters as well. He can dodge Storm's.
Storm makes eletrical discharges from her hands by psionically controlling the flow of elecrons. Thats how she can redirect them mid blast. Dont argue with me its all in the comics. Machine gun fire doesnt travel nearly as fast as lightning. So whats your point? Spidey may be able to dodge the odd bolt of lightning but he aint the Flash and he certainly isnt faster than the speed of thought. In a well written comic he would not be able to dodge psioincally controlled lightning.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Tornado time. Without the debris the tornado picks up, it wouldn't be half as destructive as it is. People have survived being sucked up and flung around in tornadoes because they didn't hit anything. The wind will do nothing to Spiderman except hinder him.
You cant compare what happens to a person in a naturally occurring hurricane to a full power hurricane psionically controlled by someone out to kill Spidey. Come on MM think about it. If Storms winds leave the the likes of Human Torch and Jean Grey helpless then Spiderman aint got a chance. Suspended in wind he can do nothing but flap his arms around. He cant manoeuvre himself because theres nothing to apply his body to. In the extremely poor visibility id love to see him correct his position and land on his feet when he's being propelled at 300 mph.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And now if you think it'll kill Spiderman to smash him in the ground using the tornado wins, I disagree again.
The man is only enhanced human level as stated in the hbooks and in the comics he's far from bulletproof. When he hasnt been able to dodge blows from people like Benom and Carnage who he is more or less on a par with physically then he has got messed up. A slam into a skyscraper or mountain at 300MPH will seriously damage him if not kill him. Remember enhanced human not even bulletproof and far from superhuman. Please have some common sense.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
He can also cling to a wall as she attempts to blow him off. Without sucess of course. In terms of adhesiveness, just one of his fingers is capable of holding several tons of weight when clinging to a surface. And since torndado winds can only get to about approximately 250 mph. Which wouldn't exceed his durability factor nor his clinging strength when hit by it. So all Spidey really needs to do is cling to a wall or the ground to avoid being flung around.Go ahead. Counter it.
If it takes every ounce of Jean Greys psionic strength to stay rooted to the spot in storms winds, If class 100 Namor has to cling on to the ground and is reduced to crawling in the face of winds, then what chance does Spiderman have. Please dont be ridiculous. 😂
Anyway Spiderman would be a sitting duck in such an onslaught. One full power lightning blast and he'd be laid to rest.