Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It doesnt matter if they dont come out faster than Spiderman can react. Her weather powers are too long range for him to avoid. Her weather effects will cover the battle field so why do you keep clinging on to that irrelevant point. Come on CM. Id love to see Spiderman web sling away from the wind.Quicksilver isnt Flash and that wouldnt matter against a similar opponent limited to supersonic level speed or someone with human reactions. But against someone who could travel and think at lightspeed for example then there would be no point in mentioning Quicksilvers speed as an asset in that battle.
I didn't say he'd avoid the wind, listen carefully now dear.
I said it would be less effective, you may have misinterpreted me, which in turn became something for twisteridiot to make that magneto thread for, fortunately that flopped.
My point was, you were saying his durability wasn't a valuable asset, so again, how many times has peter came down with a broken bone? Especially at adulthood?
I am not saying peter would win, I was saying that he doesn't have human durability, no need to rehash fact.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I didn't say he'd avoid the wind, listen carefully now dear.
I said it would be less effective, you may have misinterpreted me, which in turn became something for twisteridiot to make that magneto thread for, fortunately that flopped.My point was, you were saying his durability wasn't a valuable asset, so again, how many times has peter came down with a broken bone? Especially at adulthood.
I am not saying peter would win, I was saying that he doesn't have human durability, no need to rehash fact.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I didn't say he'd avoid the wind, listen carefully now dear.
I said it would be less effective, you may have misinterpreted me, which in turn became something for twisteridiot to make that magneto thread for, fortunately that flopped.My point was, you were saying his durability wasn't a valuable asset, so again, how many times has peter came down with a broken bone? Especially at adulthood?
I am not saying peter would win, I was saying that he doesn't have human durability, no need to rehash fact.
But im baffled as to why you're still going on about me saying he had human durability when DarkC checked up on it and told me he is apparrently enhanced human. Which is a level 3. Above normal human level but less than the likes of wolverine and sabretooth who can recover from injuries that will kill spiderman. That was dealt with hours ago so why are you still trying to make a point on it? Either way that level of durability isnt sufficent enough to prevent him from beingkilled by the various weapons in Storms arsenal. As for the broken bone question, thats a testament to his speed and skill as a fighter not his durability. He rolls with blows and dodges and feints. From his own mouth he's far from bulletproof. Yet you want to make a case for him being durable enough to withstand a hurricane force bashing? 😕 Also when Spiderman has been faced by enemies just as fast and strong as he is he has had his bones broken. Venom and Carnage are good examples.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But im baffled as to why you're still going on about me saying he had human durability when DarkC checked up on it and told me he is apparrently enhanced human. Which is a level 3. Above normal human level but less than the likes of wolverine and sabretooth who can recover from injuries that will kill spiderman. That was dealt with hours ago so why are you still trying to make a point on it? Either way that level of durability isnt sufficent enough to prevent him from beingkilled by the various weapons in Storms arsenal. As for the broken bone question, thats a testament to his speed and skill as a fighter not his durability. He rolls with blows and dodges and feints. From his own mouth he's far from bulletproof. Yet you want to make a case for him being durable enough to withstand a hurricane force bashing? 😕 Also when Spiderman has been faced by enemies just as fast and strong as he is he has had his bones broken. Venom and Carnage are good examples.
No nevermind the past.
I am not saying he's immune to anything, I am saying because of his maneuverability and the like the winds are LESS effective, not INEFFECTIVE.
Ok, he has had his bones broken in maximum carnage (I was waiting for that), but think of the history of beatings he's taken, they are more than that hurricane, the debris and environment makes the wind, but then again the civilians need to be noted.
Spiderman hardly relies on his durability anyway, spiderman is noted for dodging, and you are right he isn't juggernaut.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But im baffled as to why you're still going on about me saying he had human durability when DarkC checked up on it and told me he is apparrently enhanced human. Which is a level 3. Above normal human level but less than the likes of wolverine and sabretooth who can recover from injuries that will kill spiderman. That was dealt with hours ago so why are you still trying to make a point on it? Either way that level of durability isnt sufficent enough to prevent him from beingkilled by the various weapons in Storms arsenal. As for the broken bone question, thats a testament to his speed and skill as a fighter not his durability. He rolls with blows and dodges and feints. From his own mouth he's far from bulletproof. Yet you want to make a case for him being durable enough to withstand a hurricane force bashing? 😕 Also when Spiderman has been faced by enemies just as fast and strong as he is he has had his bones broken. Venom and Carnage are good examples.
His durability is enough so that he can have broken bones, smoke inhalation, severe injuries and suffer from exhaustion and keep fighting. That's quite a bit. Especially over the period of time that Maximum Carnage took place. How about the Breakout series? Same deal. He broke his arm and was still fighting with it the same night.
As for the rolling with blows, I've seen him get nailed mid-air by venom, fly through a wall, and get back up and keep fighting. Spider-man gets tagged by all sorts of crazies and keeps fighting. Getting mauled against the ground at 300 MPH would be super effective against someone who wasn't;
A) As maneuverable as him. He could easily shift himself into a better position to take the blows. Like real spiders, a single line of webbing in the wind could twist him around quickly.
B) Able to take blows of such force on a regular basis.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
His durability is enough so that he can have broken bones, smoke inhalation, severe injuries and suffer from exhaustion and keep fighting. That's quite a bit. Especially over the period of time that Maximum Carnage took place. How about the Breakout series? Same deal. He broke his arm and was still fighting with it the same night.As for the rolling with blows, I've seen him get nailed mid-air by venom, fly through a wall, and get back up and keep fighting. Spider-man gets tagged by all sorts of crazies and keeps fighting. Getting mauled against the ground at 300 MPH would be super effective against someone who wasn't;
A) As maneuverable as him. He could easily shift himself into a better position to take the blows. Like real spiders, a single line of webbing in the wind could twist him around quickly.
B) Able to take blows of such force on a regular basis.
Comparing Spiderman taking blows in a fight is completely different to him being slammed around in hurricane force winds. He rolls with attacks and escapes the brunt of the force because he can hi sfighting style and agility allow him to do that. For someone who by his own words is far from bulletproof and is officially less durable than wolverine, being slammed around via winds will finish him.
A) Being suspended in winds doesnt give him the oppurtunity to maneuver himself into a better position. He is supended he cannot apply his body to anything he has no control over his trajectory. As for the real life spiders comment, id love to see how well that trick does in a hurricane lol. His web will get nowhere in those winds. If anything it will spin back round and slap him back in his face. If the human Torch finds that nothing but his nova blast can hope to make it through storms winds then spideys web aint doing nothing. If the likes of Namor find themselves helpless in the face of wind like that then Spidey just dont cut it. If omega level Jean Grey finds herself helpless in Storms winds and required all her telekinetic strength to stay rooted to the stop then what hope does spiderman have? He's suspended he aint dodging anything, in those winds his webs not going anywhere.
B) Spiderman dodges and avoids the brunt of forceful blows from people who can inflict serious damage on him. When such people have connected spidey gets messed up.
Originally posted by GalacticStormQuestion then, how about the many times he has been clearly slammed by super strength foes, and got right up?
Comparing Spiderman taking blows in a fight is completely different to him being slammed around in hurricane force winds. He rolls with attacks and escapes the brunt of the force because he can hi sfighting style and agility allow him to do that. For someone who by his own words is far from bulletproof and is officially less durable than wolverine, being slammed around via winds will finish him.A) Being suspended in winds doesnt give him the oppurtunity to maneuver himself into a better position. He is supended he cannot apply his body to anything he has no control over his trajectory. As for the real life spiders comment, id love to see how well that trick does in a hurricane lol. His web will get nowhere in those winds. If anything it will spin back round and slap him back in his face. If the human Torch finds that nothing but his nova blast can hope to make it through storms winds then spideys web aint doing nothing. If the likes of Namor find themselves helpless in the face of wind like that then Spidey just dont cut it. If omega level Jean Grey finds herself helpless in Storms winds and required all her telekinetic strength to stay rooted to the stop then what hope does spiderman have? He's suspended he aint dodging anything, in those winds his webs not going anywhere.
B) Spiderman dodges and avoids the brunt of forceful blows from people who can inflict serious damage on him. When such people have connected spidey gets messed up.
They exude much more force, and have the control and priority of where they're slamming him.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Question then, how about the many times he has been clearly slammed by super strength foes, and got right up?They exude much more force, and have the control and priority of where they're slamming him.
If they were class 100 power houses then It obviously wasnt full power CM come on. Use the same common sense you use in Wolverine threads yet seem unwilling to do here. 😛
Same thing happens to wolverine who is more durable than Spidey yet we know that in a well written fight ignoring character popularity wolverine would get torn apart by a lot of the powerhouses he goes up against if they ever got their hands on him. Same with Spidey. You argue this in wolverine threads. Yet in this spidey thread you're trying to make a case for spideys durability by referring me to the powerhouses he's went up against and escaped serious injury from.
Look how flea like Spiderman was against the Wrecker in New Avengers. With a few glacing blows even Luke Cage had broken ribs. Spiderman got tossed around but his agility and flexibility allowed him to avoid serious injury. However if Wrecker slammed him around he would have got messed up theres no denying that.
If Spidey got slammed around in hurricane force winds he would be a broken mess.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If they were class 100 power houses then It obviously wasnt full power CM come on. Use the same common sense you use in Wolverine threads yet seem unwilling to do here. 😛Same thing happens to wolverine who is more durable than Spidey yet we know that in a well written fight ignoring character popularity wolverine would get torn apart by a lot of the powerhouses he goes up against if they ever got their hands on him. Same with Spidey. You argue this in wolverine threads. Yet in this spidey thread you're trying to make a case for spideys durability by referring me to the powerhouses he's went up against and escaped serious injury from.
Look how flea like Spiderman was against the Wrecker in New Avengers. With a few glacing blows even Luke Cage had broken ribs. Spiderman got tossed around but his agility and flexibility allowed him to avoid serious injury. However if Wrecker slammed him around he would have got messed up theres no denying that.
If Spidey got slammed around in hurricane force winds he would be a broken mess.
NOno, I'm talking guys like Ock and venom, slamming isn't all that destructive as you think, it can be quite harmless if you land correctly.
What do you mean "for spidey threads", I've already explained to you why, used the example for durability you didn't like, so I was going to this because you answer to it better, spiderman breaking bones does not equal him dying or anything.
Furthermore it depends on the position and leverage, if landed correctly, they may only suffer from a daze.
Spiderman being a trained wrestler, should be quite adequate at landing, and with his combined flexibility/bone/muscle,skin toughness, he should have no problem taking powered slams.
But not forever, and again spiderman is very maneuverabile, the more maneuverable and agile you are, the less likely you are to be injured.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Comparing Spiderman taking blows in a fight is completely different to him being slammed around in hurricane force winds. He rolls with attacks and escapes the brunt of the force because he can hi sfighting style and agility allow him to do that. For someone who by his own words is far from bulletproof and is officially less durable than wolverine, being slammed around via winds will finish him.A) Being suspended in winds doesnt give him the oppurtunity to maneuver himself into a better position. He is supended he cannot apply his body to anything he has no control over his trajectory. As for the real life spiders comment, id love to see how well that trick does in a hurricane lol. His web will get nowhere in those winds. If anything it will spin back round and slap him back in his face. If the human Torch finds that nothing but his nova blast can hope to make it through storms winds then spideys web aint doing nothing. If the likes of Namor find themselves helpless in the face of wind like that then Spidey just dont cut it. If omega level Jean Grey finds herself helpless in Storms winds and required all her telekinetic strength to stay rooted to the stop then what hope does spiderman have? He's suspended he aint dodging anything, in those winds his webs not going anywhere.
B) Spiderman dodges and avoids the brunt of forceful blows from people who can inflict serious damage on him. When such people have connected spidey gets messed up.
You say he rolls with attacks, how about the fact that a lot of times he gets nailed while airborne? You can't roll with a punch mid-air. You can contort your body, but only so much. Not only that, but it's almost impossible for him to do this effectively against someone like Venom who is as fast as he is and isn't affected by the spider-sense.
As for the web thing, spiders climb to the top of grass and shoot strands of web into the air when the wind picks up, it carries them long distances to new places. Spider-man could fire a web which would catch the wind and jerk his body in that direction.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
NOno, I'm talking guys like Ock and venom, slamming isn't all that destructive as you think, it can be quite harmless if you land correctly.What do you mean "for spidey threads", I've already explained to you why, used the example for durability you didn't like, so I was going to this because you answer to it better, spiderman breaking bones does not equal him dying or anything.
Furthermore it depends on the position and leverage, if landed correctly, they may only suffer from a daze.
Spiderman being a trained wrestler, should be quite adequate at landing, and with his combined flexibility/bone/muscle,skin toughness, he should have no problem taking powered slams.
But not forever, and again spiderman is very maneuverabile, the more maneuverable and agile you are, the less likely you are to be injured.
All of his durability, manouevrability and speed would be inconsequential when suspended in mid air and then repeatedly slammed into the ground into skyscrapers or mountains. A person with only enhanced durability will not be able to get up and fight effectively after being slammed into the side of a skyscraper or a mountain at 300 mph. I cant believe you're arguing against that. Come on CM. If anything one good slam at 300 mph will leave him close to if not completely dead. His durability is in between a normal humans and wolverines LOL
Originally posted by Nataku8188
You say he rolls with attacks, how about the fact that a lot of times he gets nailed while airborne? You can't roll with a punch mid-air. You can contort your body, but only so much. Not only that, but it's almost impossible for him to do this effectively against someone like Venom who is as fast as he is and isn't affected by the spider-sense.As for the web thing, spiders climb to the top of grass and shoot strands of web into the air when the wind picks up, it carries them long distances to new places. Spider-man could fire a web which would catch the wind and jerk his body in that direction.
Im well aware of that spider thing Nat but thats very different. For one the wind is hurricane level and number two it is psionically controlled by Storm who is out to kill him in this match. Totally different. Spiderman will be engulfed in the wind and helpless with nothing to apply his physical prowess to. Visibility will also be extremely poor when engulfed in a hurricane. Being slammed into the side of a building at 300 mph per hour will kill him if not it will leave him in no fit state to fight.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Differing opinions. We end this debate on the same note as we did last time.
Not quite because this time round you're admitting Storm will win the majority.
We're only disagreeing over Spidermans durability and the his ability to handle a wind based assault from Storm.
Im just being fussy and not quitting while im ahead 😛
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All of his durability, manouevrability and speed would be inconsequential when suspended in mid air and then repeatedly slammed into the ground into skyscrapers or mountains.
I am not arguing this however, storm MUST maintain concentration at all times, and spiderman can find a way out.
There is still the fact that it takes longer for her to start that up than for spiderman to react.
Its all still against her character, to create such deadly forces in a inhabited area.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A person with only enhanced durability will not be able to get up and fight effectively after being slammed into the side of a skyscraper or a mountain at 300 mph.
Did you read what I said about force?
I posted it earlier, might want to check it out, a trained martial artist can hit at 2200 lbs of force, imagine that velocity. Bruce Lee had great velocity.
Plus look at someone like venom, picks a van up and throws it really far with an arm, 50,000 lb lifter, 400-667mph velocity starting blow.
His muscles and skeletons are tightly packed.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I cant believe you're arguing against that. Come on CM.
Why is this argued again?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If anything one good slam at 300 mph will leave him close to if not completely dead. His durability is in between a normal humans and wolverines LOL
Thats a far jump to take, considering what wolverine has taken.
If you aren't going to go by calculations, nor evidence, what are you going by? It sounds like a speculation.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I am not arguing this however, storm MUST maintain concentration at all times, and spiderman can find a way out.There is still the fact that it takes longer for her to start that up than for spiderman to react.
Its all still against her character, to create such deadly forces in a inhabited area.
Did you read what I said about force?
I posted it earlier, might want to check it out, a trained martial artist can hit at 2200 lbs of force, imagine that velocity. Bruce Lee had great velocity.
Plus look at someone like venom, picks a van up and throws it really far with an arm, 50,000 lb lifter, 400-667mph velocity starting blow.
His muscles and skeletons are tightly packed.
You are making it seem like I'm saying its INEFFECTIVE, when Im saying its LESS effective.
Why is this argued again?
Thats a far jump to take, considering what wolverine has taken.
If you aren't going to go by calculations, nor evidence, what are you going by? It sounds like a speculation.
At the end of the day Spiderman is less durable than Wolverine. He is of enhanced human level. Wolverine has been caught up in a car crash and had his guts laid out across the sidewalk. The only thing what saved him was his healing factor. If Spidey got caught up in the same accident he'd die. Spiderman suspended in wind has no control over his trajectory or the velocity. He cannot dodge his way out of the wind. He is going where Storm commands the wind to take him. He would not be able to do anything but flap his arms and legs around in a similar fashion to a suicide jumper. Isf Storm slammed his body into a skyscraper at 300 mph its all over for him. Are you disputing that?
As for my speculation what are you referring to? His durability? Spidey claims he is far from bulletproof, his regenerative abilities are nowhere near the likes of wolverine and his like. He wouldnt be able to survive the kind of things they can. Hence his enhanced human tag. He is above an average human but below wolverine.
I know you're not saying its ineffective but im just not agreeing with all this talk about him being able to maneuver himself into a good position and being able to land on his feet. Suspended in wind all of that is nonsense. Especially travelling at 300 mph and in poor visibility.