i support the nightcrawler theory. the reason kurt isn't pissing around teleporting off people's heads is because he is a nice, religious guy. not because it was crap writing.
but versus forums generally are kill versus kill. so yes, nightcrawler could win. and about full power gambit: 616 gambit had sinister reinsert a previously removed part of his brain, so he became as powerful as new sun.
and i think juggernaut has a sort of 1/10 chance, if you're looking for a non-telepath who could beat hulk. and magneto would annihilate hulk. aside from that, just cable/nate grey/phoenix.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not actually possible, it can't be.I'm just going to pretend that opinion didn't just descend into Nightcrawler beating Hulk in less than 15 seconds.
-AC
I have actually asked that question about nightcrawler many a time. There is no where that says it is not possible, aside from marvel being PG-13. So i guess that statement was bogus, because it would be much quicker than 15 seconds.
The reason that Nightcrawler isn't going around teleporting body parts of, Hooray, is because he isn't that powerful. He's done it twice....ever.
Storm has controlled the stars once, that was just as ridiculous.
"But Hulk has lifted one mountain" you say. Yes, but that wasn't outside of his powers. His power (mainly) is unlimited strength, he put it to a radical use. Nightcrawler's powers do not consistently or realistically entail teleporting body parts off and the fact that he did so to the MAGUS of all people just shows that it's pathetic. Am I denying it happened? No. Am I using my right to question it? Yes. If it were that much of a consistant ability, he would be using it alot more than he did.......like more than twice in twenty years. Hulk has lifted one 150 billion ton mountain in his life but he's also done many many more extraordinary feats to prove his worth. Nightcrawler hasn't because he's not that good.
As for the mind wiping. Professor X doesn't have what it takes to control Hulk's mind, fact. If he directed all his raw power onto destroying Hulk's mind, could he do it? Yes. He would have to concentrate undividedly. One slip up, just one, and he's mush.
Nobody who isn't an extreme psychic/psionic has a shot at taking on the Hulk.
Certainly not Nightcrawler. Oh and while I'm here, I'll wrap up this little Nightcrawler/bad writing/inconsistancy theory:
Originally posted by illadelph12
read Uncanny X men #192.
It's no coincidence that Chris Claremont wrote that comic.
To add to his list of accomplishments: Nightcrawler teleporting body parts.
Here's a walk down the rest of Chris Claremont's hall of shame: He's the guy who let Wolverine slash open the Surfer, Gambit beat the Gladiator with cards and Storm control the stars.
So yes, it was shit writing. Not because I don't like it, but because it was an egotisical, shit, self-absorbed blowhard of a writer.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIt's no coincidence that Chris Claremont wrote that comic.
To add to his list of accomplishments: Nightcrawler teleporting body parts.
Here's a walk down the rest of Chris Claremont's hall of shame: He's the guy who let Wolverine slash open the Surfer, Gambit beat the Gladiator with cards and Storm control the stars.
So yes, it was shit writing. Not because I don't like it, but because it was an egotisical, shit, self-absorbed blowhard of a writer.
-AC
He is also responsible for making the most annoying comic book character ever. furious
Originally posted by savagerampageWhat you conveniently neglect to mention is that he ALLOWED her to do it. He went up to her and asked her to do it. It's not like she pried into his mind and shut Banner off.
how is he invunerable? you have jean grey shutting down personalities of his mind with the utter most ease. cable who was barely able to keep himself together did it. what more proof do ya want
"It's no coincidence that Chris Claremont wrote that comic.
To add to his list of accomplishments: Nightcrawler teleporting body parts.
Here's a walk down the rest of Chris Claremont's hall of shame: He's the guy who let Wolverine slash open the Surfer, Gambit beat the Gladiator with cards and Storm control the stars.
So yes, it was shit writing. Not because I don't like it, but because it was an egotisical, shit, self-absorbed blowhard of a writer."
:Yawn:
With that line of rationale a person can simply discount any occurance that has happen in canon that they don't approve of or agree with on account of personally opinion Alpha. It's acceptable that Superman could juggle planets and sneeze away a galaxy, but a character that's only abilities are agility and teleportation can't teleport a body part because "that's not believable"? 😆
And now it's because of the writer, and your opinion of the writer? 😆
Please.
This sounds more and more like a childish tantrum after your every post. Next you'll be saying Sam can't eat green eggs and ham because Dr. Seuss was a dillusional, egotistical hack.
I have nothing more to prove. I've provided book numbers, another poster has provided scans, but you can't accept something that has already been proved to have happened and be a possibility simply because it's the Hulk it would happen to. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If you don't want to accept that the Earth is round, so be it.
Originally posted by savagerampage
how is he invunerable? you have jean grey shutting down personalities of his mind with the utter most ease. cable who was barely able to keep himself together did it. what more proof do ya want
But a great talent like Xavier will have no problem whatsoever, especially not when he uses all the raw power he has. That's a lot people.
Lest we forget he also created Gladiator, cheapest Superman rip off known to man.He's shit. The only reason Nightcrawler was able to do that BS was coz of him
Originally posted by illadelph12
:Yawn:With that line of rationale a person can simply discount any occurance that has happen in canon that they don't approve of or agree with on account of personally opinion Alpha. It's acceptable that Superman could juggle planets and sneeze away a galaxy, but a character that's only abilities are agility and teleportation can't teleport a body part because "that's not believable"? 😆
I don't do that because yes that would be stupid. If I see something I don't agree with I say so, I don't simply deny it happened.
When did I say I found it acceptable that Superman could juggle planets? Is that you jumping to conclusion again?
Originally posted by illadelph12
now it's because of the writer, and your opinion of the writer? 😆Please.
Your self-boosting via the use of laughing smileys not withstanding, your claims are just that, claims.
I've gave you and most people substantial proof as to why I believe that particular writer is shit. Most people on this board agree with me so it's not as if I'm making excuses. It's not "now it's because of the writer". It's always been that way, if someone makes some pointless bullshit comic then I'll say so, everyone has that right. Claremont does it all the time with the X-Men as I have proven and many people know. So "please", make sure you know what I'm saying and WHY I'm saying it before choosing to comment on it.
Originally posted by illadelph12
This sounds more and more like a childish tantrum after your every post. Next you'll be saying Sam can't eat green eggs and ham because Dr. Seuss was a dillusional, egotistical hack.
Slow down there Professor X (coz he's psychic), what does that have to do with anything? Don't get bitchy just because you're going by two comics over two decades as reason why Nightcrawler could beat Hulk. Secret Wars could have never existed, Hulk would still be the only victor in this fight. Had those two comics not existed, you'd have less than you do now.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I have nothing more to prove. I've provided book numbers, another poster has provided scans, but you can't accept something that has already been proved to have happened and be a possibility simply because it's the Hulk it would happen to. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If you don't want to accept that the Earth is round, so be it.
You have nothing period, so you're resorting to making yourself believe things. "What things?" I hear you ask.
Well:
Why are you saying all this to back yourself up? "You can't accept". I can, I have. It happened and I'm not denying it. You cannot sit there and say I'm calling it lame writing because it's The Hulk because I've made that claim toward him also. Many others here have said the same as me.
It's almost as bad as Human Torch being put out with a fire extinguisher and all the other things Claremont has put out.
Stop clinging desperately to the old trick of trying to put words into my mouth.
Can't accept? I can, I have, I do. Got anything else you want to say Nate? Anything that can't be countered? Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men.
-AC
😆 <- (More self promotion)
"Stop clinging desperately to the old trick of trying to put words into my mouth."
"Can't accept? I can, I have, I do. Got anything else you want to say Nate? Anything that can't be countered? Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men."
No need to put words in your mouth when you contradict yourself in the span of a paragraph. You claim acceptance, yet say "Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk." You accept Nightcrawler can teleport Hulk's head off, and the fact that the canon material supports this, yet Nightcrawler, whom you accept could decapitate (and potentially dismember) Hulk, and all other X men save 3, can't beat Hulk? That's not a contradiction?
By the way, my names Alex, not Nate. My tag is Type Ill.
Originally posted by illadelph12
No need to put words in your mouth when you contradict yourself in the span of a paragraph. You claim acceptance, yet say "Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk." You accept Nightcrawler can teleport Hulk's head off, and the fact that the canon material supports this, yet Nightcrawler, whom you accept could decapitate (and potentially dismember) Hulk, and all other X men save 3, can't beat Hulk? That's not a contradiction?
Talk about misinterpretation there. Calm down......Cable (running out of psychics).
I say that Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk because I don't believe they are. I don't accept that Nightcrawler CAN teleport Hulk's head off. I accept that he has. He can't do it on a regular basis, because it's not in his power. Just like controlling Stars isn't in Storm's power, but I accept it happened. I don't deny comic occurances, but I don't automatically accept them. You are misinterpreting me for your own purposes.
There's a big big difference. I'm not sitting here saying "Nightcrawler didn't do that". I'm saying it's crap that he did, because in 20 years, one writer (who is thought of throughout the comic industry as an idiotic, self-indulgent moron) has said he has that ability. No others.
-AC
If we are to accept Nightcrawler's 2 occurances of teleporting body parts,
does this mean we're to accept Storm's contolling of stars?
Should we accept Spiderman knocking out a herald of Galactus?
Should we accept Wolverine taking punches from 100 ton lifters without falling or moving?
Shall we accept Wolverine healing from being thrown into the sun?
The difference between a comic-fan and a fan-boy is the ability to
recognize the difference between proper and improper writing and
characterization.
"You are misinterpreting me for your own purposes."
No, I'm reading what you wrote correctly, you're spinning it to save face. Might as well call me Cypher, no need to be a psychic to see through your contradiction, just an elementary degree of literacy and reading comprehension, 'Mortimer'.
You said, and I quote:
"Can't accept? I can, I have, I do".
Your words.
You claim you accept that it happened ["Can't accept? I can, I have, I do"], thereby accepting it is possible. Regardless of frequency, it is a probability, it's actually happened MORE than twice, and without Claremont, the 'egotistical' writer you speak of, being involved.
Yet, no more than a sentence later, you contradict your proported 'acceptance' by stating:
"Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men."
Also your words.
So Nightcrawler's status as an X man supercedes his ability to decapitate Hulk by means of teleportation? You state yourself, no words being placed in your mouth, 'direct quote':
"Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men."
"because they're just X-Men"
Your own words.
Does Marvel canon material somewhere state that being an X-Man somehow cancels out their abilities in confrontations versus Hulk, or is this a personal opinion due to a bias against the X men?