Wow...long thread.
Here's who would beat Hulk:
Just about any high level telepath/psionic (Jean, Chuck, Emma, Cable, maaaaybe Psylocke)
Magneto/Joseph
Storm
Ice-Man (current)
Forge with his Hulkbuster gun (he made it already, so no prep necessary)
Blink (it's a stretch to call her an X-man, though)
Legion (also a stretch, since he was only an X-man for three issues)
Xorn (both of them)
Now, about Nightcrawler:
Nightcrawler could really beat just about anybody, but he lacks killer instinct to do it. Let's take whether or not he can teleport bodyparts off the table - he can. He's done it more often than just those two instances. During the mid-90s (when Claremont wasn't writing), he teleported away the weapon's systems of AIM battleroids - the weapon's system was their arm. He was attacked by 2nd Gen Sentinels (human sized) and teleported them into solid objects. So don't forget that that's another option for Kurt. There was the AOA example someone mentioned. He's also teleported armor off of people. So he CAN teleport things piecemeal - they're just objects, and he can teleport any object he can envision - or parts of an object. Case closed.
The thing Ill is missing is that the battle rules state that the opponents battle to the fullest of their abilities - within the context of their personality. So I can state logically that Doom occupying Nightcrawler's body would beat the Hulk with extreme prejudice, it's not within the context of Nightcrawler's personality to teleport Hulk's head off. It's not that he COULDN'T do it...it's that he WOULDN'T.
If you were to use the Nightcrawler logic in this debate, then that same logic would apply to every character - for example, Kitty could also beat Hulk by phasing him into the ground. Could she? Yeah. Would she? X-men don't kill. Likewise, any telekinetic could stop Hulk's heart, killing him instantly. Could they? Yeah. Would they? Probably not.
That's also why I supported Storm in the Storm vs. Torch thread - sure Torch could just burn her to death, but he wouldn't...that's not his personality. So it's not really valid.
Buuuuut - I missed the part where you have to kill the Hulk to beat him. Therefore, Storm giving Hulk a heart attack is a valid win. Nightcrawler teleporting an arm off the Hulk, causing him to pass out from bloodloss until it grows back is also a valid win. Whether even THAT is within the context of his personality is still debatable, though.
I understand that point demigawd. That's why I said on pg. 3 of this thread:
"I don't see how that line of reasoning is a descension, Alpha. If it was his life or Hulk's life, it's feasible. Hulk would crush Nightcrawler with one blow if he landed it. Kurt would have to resort to lethal force in self defense in order to stop a raging Hulk."
I know he wouldn't go for the decapitation as a first option, but when facing someone like Hulk, if he's determined to kill you, and you have a means to kill him first or else you're dead, you'd take it. Even the Pope would shoot Hulk with a gamma cannon in self defense.
To quote Tupac:
"If it's your life or my life, I'm gonna bomb first".
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriC'mon, just 'cause Forge's gun and IM's armor are named the same that doesn't mean they work the same way.
Anyway, don't see how Forge's Hulkbuster gun is gonna help when Iron-Man's Hulkbuster armour does jack shit and Trauma's Earth piercing raygun just made him itch.
And it'd be less of a "cause damage" gun like this Earth piercer, I told Earth no nose rings, and probably more of nullifier of some kind. Radiation sucking/dispersing probably.
Plus if it wasn't good enough, he could invent a better version of Hulk to fight for him.
Right, so Forge if he had this old Hulk-killing gun would win. Forge is good at inventing stuff...it's his mutant power. If he doesn't get to use it then nevermind. No biggie.
I'm sure that next time Galactus and his Heralds show up to eat the Earth, the X-men will be there if the writers choose for them to be in a crossover. The X-men are among the most powerful beings on Earth - I don't see why they wouldn't be. But that's off-topic.
I understand that point demigawd. That's why I said on pg. 3 of this thread:"I don't see how that line of reasoning is a descension, Alpha. If it was his life or Hulk's life, it's feasible. Hulk would crush Nightcrawler with one blow if he landed it. Kurt would have to resort to lethal force in self defense in order to stop a raging Hulk."
I see what you're saying, but within the context of Nightcrawler's personality, he'd actually flee rather than kill Hulk. There ARE scenarios in which Nightcrawler could, in theory, resort to lethal force (Hulk killed Storm and Logan, Nightcrawler is in some ionized room he can't escape from, or is in a blind location and doesn't know where he'd rematerialize if he tried to escape, or if he were mind-controlled by Weapon X or something, etc.), but in the vast majority of situations, he'd just leave altogether if he can't hurt the Hulk using non-lethal means.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
.......but that's not the thread title.The thread title is any single X-Man Vs Hulk. Forge is a great inventor but against Hulk he's essentially a man with a gammy leg.
Alright. Then if Forge is allowed to use items from the field and there's a sandwich shop around he can invent a sandwich so tasty that Hulk cannot resist. If there are no sandwich shops around he can invent one of those first.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Alright. Then if Forge is allowed to use items from the field and there's a sandwich shop around he can invent a sandwich so tasty that Hulk cannot resist. If there are no sandwich shops around he can invent one of those first.
Haha.
My genetic mutation is that I can invent everything.