ANY Single X-man vs HULK

"The difference between a comic-fan and a fan-boy is the ability to
recognize the difference between proper and improper writing and
characterization."

No.

It's the stance that a fan knows more than the writer about a characters abilities, and only accepts occurances and or discounts occurances that support his stance with his favorite character that makes someone a fanboy.

I'm a comic reader.

Besides, my favorite characters are Punisher and Green Lantern, and I still go against them when logic and ability is not on their side.

Answer those questions I posed.

"does this mean we're to accept Storm's contolling of stars?
Should we accept Spiderman knocking out a herald of Galactus?
Should we accept Wolverine taking punches from 100 ton lifters without falling or moving?
Shall we accept Wolverine healing from being thrown into the sun?"

If that's the direction the writers are going in, who am I to judge. Magneto is opening wormholes now. Hulk can breathe under water and regenerate from being reduced cells.

Characters grow.

When Captain America starts farting out nukes and has mind control powers, call me.

Originally posted by Zahit
The difference between a comic-fan and a fan-boy is the ability to
recognize the difference between proper and improper writing and
characterization.

Knowledgeable and competent comic fans demand consistency out of writers...you never get it out of Claremont.

I'll tell ya what i'd like to see. I;d like to see a good match between the hulk and colossous.

me too.burlybrawl

Originally posted by illadelph12
[BWhen Captain America starts farting out nukes and has mind control powers, call me. [/B]

Originally posted by Lord S
Amen...and X-fans tend to be the most ignorant of fanboys, as they're the ones that come up with the craziest of crazy battles (ie. Apocalypse vs. Galactus) and go to great lengths to try to make a case for the X-character. It's simply pathetic. X-Men are not in the same league as the Avengers...yet we have the untouchable Claremont running around Marvel abusing his writing powers, constantly inflating the importance of X-characters, and no one can tell me that it's the natural evolution of a character cause it's not. It's simply bullshit.

Knowledgeable and competent comic fans demand consistency out of writers...you never get it out of Claremont.

"I'll tell you what chum, when Captain America starts farting out nukes
and controls minds.........that will be the day I put to rest my life-long
love of Marvel Comics. I'll even sell you some of mine at discount prices!!!!"

Deal.

Originally posted by illadelph12
No, I'm reading what you wrote correctly, you're spinning it to save face. Might as well call me Cypher, no need to be a psychic to see through your contradiction, just an elementary degree of literacy and reading comprehension, 'Mortimer'.

Lets see, shall we?

Originally posted by illadelph12
You said, and I quote:

"Can't accept? I can, I have, I do".

Your words.

You claim you accept that it happened thereby accepting it is possible. Regardless of frequency, it is a probability, it's actually happened MORE than twice, and without Claremont, the 'egotistical' writer you speak of, being involved.

No, you're putting words in my mouth. The only thing I accept about that incident, is that it was published and that it occured. I'm not going to sit here and say "That didn't happen", coz it did. I don't think it's possible because that's not in his powers. What don't you understand about that? It's not hard.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Yet, no more than a sentence later, you contradict your proported 'acceptance' by stating:

"Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men."

Also your words.

Yeah, because I don't think any X-Man bar maybe 3 can beat him. What are you getting at? Twisting my words to suit your purposes isn't cool.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So Nightcrawler's status as an X man supercedes his ability to decapitate Hulk by means of teleportation? You state yourself, no words being placed in your mouth, 'direct quote':

"Nightcrawler or any single X-Man bar MAYBE 3, aren't beating Hulk. Not because he's Hulk, but because they're just X-Men."

"because they're just X-Men"

Your own words.

Does Marvel canon material somewhere state that being an X-Man somehow cancels out their abilities in confrontations versus Hulk, or is this a personal opinion due to a bias against the X men?

Stop misinterpreting my words, it's stupid.

He is an X-Man, no? The title isn't why I said "just". It's because the X-Men aren't a formidable team, in my opinion. They are a bunch of pick and mix mutants, for the most part. They're just the X-Men. They're not the F4 or the Avengers (who Hulk has beat).

I read X-Men for years before they got shit so claiming that it's bias is silly. I don't think any bar 3 would survive, let alone win, because they're not powerful/strong/good/skillfull enough to win a fight against The Hulk. This happens in EVERY X-Men fight thread. People run so far off point just to give the characters a shot.

As you JUST proved in the posts that I didn't quote, you feel that you aren't allowed to judge. So you suck up whatever the writers feed you. That's why we're here talking about this, because you aren't willing to put yourself in a position to stand up and say "That's crap".

-AC

"No, you're putting words in my mouth. The only thing I accept about that incident, is that it was published and that it occured. I'm not going to sit here and say "That didn't happen", coz it did. I don't think it's possible because that's not in his powers. What don't you understand about that? It's not hard."

Alpha, you're obviously intelligent, so please explain to me how accepting that something has happened, which inherrently makes it possible since the event actually occurred, but then stating that you don't accept that it is possible, is not a contradiction or an apparent philosophical paradox. That's like accepting being shown that the World is actually round, but not accepting the possibilty that the world is round because in your own opinion, it couldn't possibly be round.

😆 [Just wanted to throw in some more 'self promotion' .]

frank richards would kick hulk ass before he even lifted his fist and logan had to say it

And also, since you want to complain about misquotes and misinterpretation, I offer this example:

"As you JUST proved in the posts that I didn't quote, you feel that you aren't allowed to judge. So you suck up whatever the writers feed you."

I said:

"If that's the direction the writers are going in, who am I to judge. Magneto is opening wormholes now. Hulk can breathe under water and regenerate from being reduced [to] cells.

Characters grow.

When Captain America starts farting out nukes and has mind control powers, call me."

I'm not the artistic liscense patrol. When a characters' abilities expand, so long as it's not to a ridiculous extent, like, say, Capt. America becoming a telepath with nuclear flatulants, I can live with that. Storm's control over stellar atmospheres is a stretch, but if her powers are atmospheric control and not simply weather phenomona control, it's not completely out the question, just needs better explanation.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Alpha, you're obviously intelligent, so please explain to me how accepting that something has happened, which inherrently makes it possible since the event actually occurred, but then stating that you don't accept that it is possible, is not a contradiction or an apparent philosophical paradox. That's like accepting being shown that the World is actually round, but not accepting the possibilty that the world is round because in your own opinion, it couldn't possibly be round.

We're referencing a comic book, Ill. Not the shape of the Earth. Or anything in REAL life actually happening.

It was published, so I cannot deny it's existance can I? I can, however, question it's content. Which I have done.

-AC

"We're referencing a comic book, Ill. Not the shape of the Earth. Or anything in REAL life actually happening."

I'm sure you grasp the concept of metaphors, Alpha, especially considering your use of one with your superior baseball team/bottom feeding baseball team comparison a few pages back.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not the artistic liscense patrol. When a characters' abilities expand, so long as it's not to a ridiculous extent, like, say, Capt. America becoming a telepath with nuclear flatulants, I can live with that. Storm's control over stellar atmospheres is a stretch, but if her powers are atmospheric control and not simply weather phenomona control, it's not completely out the question, just needs better explanation.

Do you not see that the same guy done that too?

It's not a matter of powers with him. If he wants them to do it, they will. Which is disgraceful.

He's proven it with the X-Men time and time again.

On topic however: You know where I stand. It's not going to change because there isn't reason to.

-AC

Jean Grey would beat him with a tk shield and most of her telepathy. At least it would stop him for a day or so.

"On topic however: You know where I stand. It's not going to change because there isn't reason to."

I can respect that.

I just like debating, and you're worthy competition.

Oh, what about Xorn via sucking Hulk into his head?