I can't say that which Jedi or Sith is top Saber duelist but I have made a list of TOP duelists in "Star Wars Saga" that people should know by their names at-least.
PT Era:
- Sidious
- Yoda
- Mace
- Maul
- Anakin/Vader
- Dooku
EU:
- Tulak
- Exar Kun
- Luke
- Revan
- Bane
- Kas'im
- Malak
- Kyle Katarn
And Top non-Jedi Duelists might be:
- Yusanis (Best Echani duelist ever known)
- General Grievous
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Fencing is a bit awkward to use as is any real swordfighting style. I mean, the whole blade, all sides, is potentially dangerous. If anything, it's a lot easier to use since you aren't concerned with one or two edges hitting the opponent.
You are making a reference only to foil and epee fencing. You seem to have completely ignored the saber fencing which requires slicing much like something you would see from Pirates of the Caribbean instead of trying to stab your opponent with a foil or epee.
EU Luke takes this. Luke is pwnage in everything, including a lightsaber, then after that its hard to determine any order but people who are candidates for some of the top duelists are:
Yoda
Sidious
Mace
Dooku
Anakin (ROTS)
Kas'Im
Exar Kun
Kyle Katarn
I'm prolly missing a few, but its hard to order these people, because they all use different styles.
After reading some threads on other forums, and reading more into the Clone War-era novels and comics, I'd have to say that it comes down to this - but bear in mind, this is subjective and based on my current opinion.
Lightsaber skills:
RotS Anakin (elaboration: Anakin in the proper state of mind)
Yoda/Mace/Dooku/Sidious
Yoda/Mace/Dooku/Sidious
Yoda/Mace/Dooku/Sidious
Yoda/Mace/Dooku/Sidious
Obi-Wan Kenobi
General Grievous
Asajj Ventress
Kit Fisto
Force powers:
Darth Sidious/Master Yoda
(sizeable power gap)
Count Dooku
Mace Windu
Anakin Skywalker
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Kit Fisto
Asajj Ventress
Overall:
Yoda/Sidious
Anakin
Mace/Dooku
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Possibly, but Anakin wtf pwned Count Dooku. Meaning that the Count didnt stand a chance when Anakin was pissed. Mace and Dooku are virtually equals, so I doubt that Mace has much of a chance. His Vapaad will play a huge factor in the fight.
I never thought I'll see you admitting that.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
EU Luke takes this. Luke is pwnage in everything, including a lightsaber, then after that its hard to determine any order but people who are candidates for some of the top duelists are:Yoda
Sidious
Mace
Dooku
Anakin (ROTS)
Kas'Im
Exar Kun
Kyle KatarnI'm prolly missing a few, but its hard to order these people, because they all use different styles.
Qel Droma perhaps?
You are making a reference only to foil and epee fencing.
Indeed I am. Both use long, slender straight blades like lightsabers. Saber fencing isn't relevant because it involves a backsword with only one cutting edge. It makes less sense to compare lightsaber fighting to saber fencing considering that none of the lightsaber combatants fight like that.
You seem to have completely ignored the saber fencing which requires slicing much like something you would see from Pirates of the Caribbean instead of trying to stab your opponent with a foil or epee.
And you seem to have no point other than to ignore the reason why I omitted saber fencing. You can't draw nearly as many parallels with saber fencing as you can between say, epee fencing and Makashi. While the term fencing can imply all sorts of martial sword arts, in the sense I intended it included only the most popular and relevant forms of fencing that we know today.
Lightsabers are long, straight blades with no real 'sides'. The entire blade is able to be used, making it transcend anything we know today. But really, Dooku's style was based on a form of Spanish fencing.
And if your knowledge of saber fencing is limited to Pirates of the Carribean, you need to go do your research.
Possibly, but Anakin wtf pwned Count Dooku. Meaning that the Count didnt stand a chance when Anakin was pissed. Mace and Dooku are virtually equals, so I doubt that Mace has much of a chance. His Vapaad will play a huge factor in the fight.
Really, Anakin didn't best Dooku through superior style or superior skill; he simply got in close and overpowered him. That's it. It'd be like me saying that Grievous nearly killed Obi-Wan "wtf pwn style"- a statement that totally neglects the fact that Obi-Wan's style was far more refined than Grievous' and only the latters unorthodox methods and brute mechanical strength ever put him close to victory.
Secondly, since when are Dooku and Mace clear-cut equals? Both have completely different approaches to combat. Dooku is elder and seemingly far more versed in both sides of the Force. He uses an elegant and subtle style of lightsaber combat. Mace, on the other hand, is more primal, keeping a barely-checked well of passion inside of himself. His style of fighting draws literally on methods alien to Jedi and Sith alike, as well as the Juyo itself being a combination of several other styles.
Anakin played with Ataru for a bit, and then went headfirst into Shien/Djem So. He's barely 24. How ****ing good could he be at one style compared to Mace "bad ass mutha****a" Windu who has mastered several and even made his own? Anakin only beat Dooku because he overpowered him and caught him off guard. Mace put Sidious on his ass.
Here, let's play some of your logic:
Sidious > Anakin
Mace floors Sidious
Mace floors Anakin even more
^ See how that works?
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I agree with all of that. Except I think Mace would still beat Anakin in a full out fight, but he would give Mace the toughest fight he's ever had.
Why is it everyone says that Mace beats Anakin even though Anakin WTFpwned Dooku and almost everyone says that Dooku >/= Mace?
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Why is it everyone says that Mace beats Anakin even though Anakin WTFpwned Dooku and almost everyone says that Dooku >/= Mace?
Eh. I've had this discussion. I don't think that Count Dooku > Mace. I think that Mace's skills at Vaapad and Shatterpoint would make him a better lightsaber duelist (though many consider this blasphemy) and I consider Count Dooku the better Force user, as per his training with Yoda and Palpatine.