"Lord Tyranus knew what he risked, Lord Vader. Had he been stronger in the dark side, you would be dead, and he would be at my right hand."
- Emperor Palpatine, Rise of Darth Vader, page 123.
What makes this the naked truth, Escape? Palpatine talking to Vader about Dooku not being "stronger in the dark side" is somehow relevant and reflective of the argument at hand? Pfft.
The dark side is giving into negative emotions. I don't see how being more in-tune with that equates to being a better overall fighter. And if Anakin buys that line, he's dumber than I thought. His "strength in the dark side" left his ass fried and maimed on Mustafar. Obviously, it isn't appropriate in every situation, which is one of my main points.
Likewise, George Lucas said that "Anakin proved his strength by killing Dooku" and that the whole fight was a set up to see which one of them was more powerful. The fight determined that when Count Dooku lost his head and Anakin walked out alive.
Where is this quote, btw? Is it verbatim? Can you properly determine that GL means strength as in "mastery of the blade and force"? I mean, I would imagine that Anakin is the more proved of the two if Dooku is dead and gone. It's not quite up for debate when the competition is six feet under. But this doesn't address my point- Is Anakin definately better at saber and at the force than Dooku? Or will you rely on more obscure points that aren't reflected in the canon material, which IS the movies themselves?
I just find it so damn funny how it has come to this. You're arguing that Anakin did not have the superior skill, despite that he "overpowered" Count Dooku by your own words?
More misdirection. I find it so damn funny that you refuse to argue my valid points and instead resort to strawmanning and random quotes that aren't put in context.
Or did you misread when I bolded "Put things in context"?
An SUV can overpower me. Is it a better fighter? Answer the question. You presume my intention with the word and then monopolize it to fit your stilted argument. It's sad, really.
That the novelization (which, by the way, sorry if you don't like it, but it is canon) says "Dooku is already dead. The rest is mere detail."?
The novelization isn't superior canon over the movies, sorry. It's based on the movies, Escape. It can't be superior or held in place of what it's based on, can it? And considering it's factually inaccurate and inconsistant with the movies, which are THE major source of canon in the series, I don't see how it should sway me at all. I mean, if the novelization is canon, Kit Fisto's head was somewhere on the desk in the movies and that poor silly George Lucas forgot to put it in there!
That the script itself said that as the fight progressed, Dooku and Obi-Wan got tired, and Anakin only got stronger?
Where, exactly? I just checked it. I didn't see that at all.
By your logic, there is nothing to indicate that Mace > Sidious in anything. Anakin "used physical strength" to overpower Dooku? Mace kicked Sidious in the face.
Yeah, I suppose Mace dealing with Sidious' ridiculous display of raw aggression and speed and then outdueling the sith lord before said kick was completely irrelevant, right? I guess Mace simply leaned in while Sidious was taking a piss and kicked the saber out of his hand. Seriously, the idea that Mace could LAND a kick on Sidious' saber while the two were fighting just goes to show that Mace was obviously the more skilled of the pair. It wasn't a matter of him using overbearing physical strength to capitolize on Sidious' physical weakness and lack of in-close fighting capability.
Dooku's style is fencing. You can't fence when you're locking wrists with some young kid. In that situation, Anakin used his physical strength, his trump card, to take the kill. In another scenario, there's no certainty that such chance would come up again. Indeed, if Dooku used the Force and kept his distance more, Anakin wouldn't have a prayer. I mean, if I'm having a wild-west shoot out with Doc Holiday and I run up and manhandle his arms while he's trying to shoot me and then shoot him in the head point blank, am I suddenly a better gunfighter than Doc Holiday? Would I beat him in any other scenario? Say, one where he doesn't let me get that damn close?
Context, Escape. If I got in close and stabbed the greatest swordsman in the world with a butter knife and killed him, am I definately better? Or could it be favorable circumstances and prudent judgment on my part?
I've already submitted that Dooku can school Anakin using the Force. The swordplay debate is shakey at best considering.
It took skill for Anakin to bypass Dooku's defenses, close in the distance, and then slice off his arms. Face it, it wasn't luck it was skill.
Where was this skill when he was fighting Obi-Wan? I mean, is Obi-Wan godly compared to everyone else? Anakin somehow has the skill to outduel Dooku (And he most definately be better at swordplay compared to the latter, who has trained in it for decades before he was even a glint in Shmi's eye) and the uber rage-factor, or the strength in the dark side.
... But Obi-Wan just survives all that shit. What, does he have the Easy Button? I mean, Obi-Wan survives the saber duelling, despite being schooled by Dooku. Obi-Wan equally counters the force powers of a raged Anakin, despite being schooled by Dooku. Hell, he even got in on the WWF fighting in the control room.
What could possibly seperate the old Dooku from young, fit, Obi-Wan? Besides physical strength, of course.
Face it; Anakin was fortunate in that Dooku was toying with him and being careless, and he took full advantage of the situation. This doesn't equate to saber mastery, period. Or Han Solo is mightier than Boba Fett with his eyes closed and his back turned, holding a spear.
And that's the entire point of fighting. To use what you have to win a fight. So by Dooku using his superior mastery of the Force to beat Obi-Wan required skill just like Anakin using his physical strength to push forward. Use what you have to win.
Well, duh. I never said otherwise.
However, being stronger in a grapple doesn't make you Sir Launcelot with a blade, does it? By this logic, Grievous beat the shit out of Obi-Wan in hand to hand combat. Hence, he is the better combatant of the two.
Oh wait. That isn't accurate, is it?
By your logic Dooku didn't beat Obi-Wan with pure skill; he used an opportunity and mastery of the Force (physical strength) to unhand his opponent.
Where did you get that? Dooku has the superior force power. If I were arguing Force power hierarchy, he'd obviously win. But I'm not; I'm arguing the validity of the obnoxious claim that Anakin is definately all-around better than Count Dooku simply because he got a one-up on him in a grapple. Taking advantage of an opportunity does NOT mean that you're better than your opponent in every scenario. And because of that, it's absolutely foolish to say Anakin will "tool" Dooku in every single fight.
I think that idea is VERY clear and reasonable, considering. You wouldn't argue that TPM Obi-Wan could defeat Maul in another situation, could you? I mean, he slashed him in half while doing his moon-man jump. That's superior skill by your logic, right? I mean, Han Solo totally wtf pwned Boba Fett with his spear while blind and not even facing the right way. He could do that in every situation; Boba's his *****, right?
Is it sinking in now? The claim is ridiculous, and unsupported. I've given you my argument on how Anakin is NOT more powerful than Dooku in the Force. And Anakin's superiority over Dooku in swordsmanship is questionable; it's silly to assume that they'll lock wrists in every single encounter we can think of for them. So the claim that Anakin beats Dooku with ease every time is RIDICULOUS.
Anakin bested Dooku. You want proof? Go watch Revenge of the Sith. There's all the proof you need. Even the Novel, Nick, and the Script confirms that Anakin bested Dooku.
I suggest you learn to formulate an argument and read my posts before you spout off again. Your arguing ad naseum is boring.