Originally posted by Khellendros
An insect who can counteract his powers, create antimatter bombs to take out the rest of his team, and a whisper that packs a class 80 punch.
he may possibly be able to counteract one aspect of his power but Grav has shown to be able to perform multiple tasks simultaneously, plus a class 80 hit may take out Hawkeye and Scourge but a shielded Carnage should be hurt but ok, shielded Puma could go either way and the rest would be fine....... although your team would lose both the street guys as well and the buildings would be destroyed hurting Hawksmoor badly
Originally posted by Khellendros
Yep, it's up to the voters to decide if a man who can keep the entire planet warm can kill one super dense man.
to decide if a guy who can become class 100, reshape the earth, hold all heroes helpless and slaughter a group of heroes without breaking a sweat can take out an alien in a cape.... 🙂
Originally posted by Khellendros
It doesn't matter why it was written, it's canon now. Mangog is stronger than Majestic? You just said Thor killed him, and no way is Thor stronger than Majestic.
Mangog is vastly stronger than Thor or Majestic
Originally posted by Khellendros
But hardness is what you get with ultra dense materials as well. No matter how hard or dense something is, it can only delay the inevitable by a few moments when exposed to lasers that approximate the heat of a sun.
apparently wolverine survived the sun so (BS i know) but there's no way to know for sure, the laser could be refracted and reflected by the graviton shield though
Originally posted by Khellendros
If Wonderman knows all about Black Bolt, then he knows he is screwed. Black Bolt is only class 60, but he has taken shots from the Hulk without going down. Black Bolt can take heavy punches from bricks like Hulk and Gladiator, but can go toe to toe with and even defeat skilled warriors like Ronan the Accuser and stalemate Adam Warlock. Electron blasts are all it takes and Wonderman is down.
Wonderman has taken down Thor a couple of times and gone toe to toe with Hulk showing he can take more than one of his punches, no way is BB more than he can handle..... especially with additional shielding
Originally posted by Khellendros
Everything I've ready says it kept his power from effecting her. And who said bringing in extra materials? He could scratch the design into any solid surface with one invulnerable finger nail. And since they would be fighting in a city or uban area, he could simply retrieve the parts from surrounding buildings.
but he'd have no tools..... building a complicated device to block a gravity wielding opponents power without cutting his entire team off from gravity and hurling them into space is tricky, precise...... possibly impossible work...... even more so without precise tools and a computer.... especially if BB destroys all the buildings
Originally posted by Khellendros
It's not irrelevant, because it shows that brute strength can effect energy shields in the MU. Holding the Hulk helpless? He can't fly. All he had to do was keep him from touching anything solid.
he couldn't even move his arms...... everyone was held in the exact same position
and different types of energy shield work in different ways.... Moonstone can phase through Songbirds but not Gravitons
Originally posted by Khellendros
Well, considering he was BEATEN by the Thunderbolts, no, I don't think he can stop this particular "Superman knock off". He was also stalemated by the Thing and Black Bolt when his powers went apesh*t and turned him into a sentient pocket universe!
he was beaten because he let his guard down to focus on reshaping the entire planet into a specific image, the Thunderbolts even admitted they wouldn't have been able to get close to him if he didn't let them
and the Thing/Black Bolt storyline was when he had much less control
Originally posted by Khellendros
If the field effects matter, matter can effect the field. It's similar to pulling two magnets with opposite charges apart. The magnetic field does resist, but with sufficient strength it can be overpowered. The same is true with Graviton's shield.
that may or may not be true....... however no force has ever proven to break his field or hold, and that would include the combined struggles of Thor, the Hulk, Wonderman, the Thing and many other powerhouses.... Majestic is not stronger than all of them together
Originally posted by K3VIL
Graviton gets defeated cause the writers creates situations where he "outsmart" himself.Let me explain.He gives his enemies the chance of beating him.Like in his last battle.He block all the heroes on Earth, he was going to change the shape of the continents(and if it isn't a great feat of power, tell me what).The T-Bolts hurted him cause he let them do it.He defeate himself.He was too much overloaded of his "credo" of being a God, to turn his attention to mere mortals.
Originally posted by K3VIL
If Marvel Writers write Graviton in a smart way, considering he's also a scientist, and a good scientist, not the last of the idiots, he'll wipe out anything on his path and he probably be the ruler of Earth.
His senses exceed human rank, cause he can sense anything around himself.He can even hit a woman with a small stone in Australia while he was in the U.S.A.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Mr. Majestic can held by Graviton and then reduced to a chunk of blood and flesh, cause there's no limit to the force the old G can create.He was able to hold down Thor, Hulk and other strong guys.His force fields have blocked attacks that exceed Majestic's laser vision.GodForce Blast is one of those attacks.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Graviton has blocked attacks of some fast heroes like Jolt, Thor, and others.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Thor isn't fast as majestic?
Originally posted by K3VIL
There only slightly, rarely occasions in which Thor is showed clearly using superspeed, but he possess it.He's in the lightning speed rank.
Majestic landing blows while Thor land one or two blows?
If he can hit Superman he can hit Majestic.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Anyway, as I was assuming before, a well written Graviton, is near unbeatable.Only telepathic attacks would work on him, or Cosmic Power.
My reply to Scoobless will be in my next post.
Originally posted by Khellendros
No, actually, Graviton CAN'T hold Majestic down, that's been my point all along. And there are limits. HE can only reach the white dwarf/black hole levels of gravitational fields when amped up somehow. And it would take those kinds of gravity fields to even slow Majestic down. Are you noticng that the storng guys you happen to be mentioning are all non-fliers?.
he's held Thor and the rest of the avengers down on the ground before, so it isn't merely a matter of saying it's because they can't fly
Originally posted by Khellendros
From what I hear he stopped Jolt because she was electrical in nature. B]
Jolt actually got a hit in before that, but it did nothing to him
Originally posted by Khellendros
[B]Funny you should mention telepathic attacks. Guess what Black Bolt has doen on two (possibly three) separate occasions? Yep, used his power over all forms of electron energy to control the impulses of a brain. He's forced his crazy telepathic brother to stop ranting, walk across a jail cell, and go to sleep. He's also broken the telepathic link forged by a child psychic of considerable power. AND he cut off the connection between Mandarin and his rings. Jeez, the list of ways Graviton can be beaten just keeps growing. Graviton won't be trying to crush anything if he's passed out.
and Black Bolt wont be doing anything after Wonderman crushes his skull
Originally posted by Scoobless
he may possibly be able to counteract one aspect of his power but Grav has shown to be able to perform multiple tasks simultaneously, plus a class 80 hit may take out Hawkeye and Scourge but a shielded Carnage should be hurt but ok, shielded Puma could go either way and the rest would be fine....... although your team would lose both the street guys as well and the buildings would be destroyed hurting Hawksmoor badly
Originally posted by Scoobless
to decide if a guy who can become class 100, reshape the earth, hold all heroes helpless and slaughter a group of heroes without breaking a sweat can take out an alien in a cape.... 🙂
Originally posted by Scoobless
Mangog is vastly stronger than Thor or Majestic
Originally posted by Scoobless
apparently wolverine survived the sun so (BS i know) but there's no way to know for sure, the laser could be refracted and reflected by the graviton shield though
Originally posted by Scoobless
Wonderman has taken down Thor a couple of times and gone toe to toe with Hulk showing he can take more than one of his punches, no way is BB more than he can handle..... especially with additional shielding
Originally posted by Scoobless
but he'd have no tools..... building a complicated device to block a gravity wielding opponents power without cutting his entire team off from gravity and hurling them into space is tricky, precise...... possibly impossible work...... even more so without precise tools and a computer.... especially if BB destroys all the buildings
Originally posted by Scoobless
he couldn't even move his arms...... everyone was held in the exact same position
and different types of energy shield work in different ways.... Moonstone can phase through Songbirds but not Gravitons
Originally posted by Scoobless
he was beaten because he let his guard down to focus on reshaping the entire planet into a specific image, the Thunderbolts even admitted they wouldn't have been able to get close to him if he didn't let them
and the Thing/Black Bolt storyline was when he had much less control
Originally posted by Scoobless
that may or may not be true....... however no force has ever proven to break his field or hold, and that would include the combined struggles of Thor, the Hulk, Wonderman, the Thing and many other powerhouses.... Majestic is not stronger than all of them together
this is the only bio i found on Mangog..... he is stronger than Maj though
Originally posted by Scoobless
he's held Thor and the rest of the avengers down on the ground before, so it isn't merely a matter of saying it's because they can't fly
Originally posted by Scoobless
Jolt actually got a hit in before that, but it did nothing to him
Originally posted by Scoobless
and Black Bolt wont be doing anything after Wonderman crushes his skull
Khellandros (who earned my vote, BTW) pointed out that EM is stronger than gravity. Yes, in the technical sense that electromagnetism as a FORCE is almost infinitely stronger. All the atoms in a magnet will exert no detectable gravitional force, yet you can see unaided the results of their electromagnetic force.
However, EM doesn't occur in the quantities gravity does. Gravity is the most present, if one of the weakest, universal forces.
Then again, since this isn't "Gravity vs. EM" but "Black Bolt v. Graviton"... I'd daresay that Black Bolt's variety of skills and intense experience would let him at least hold off Graviton's singularity abilities.
By the way: Making a black hole would produce enough chaos factors to kill almost everybody else on the field (save Jenny, probably). For example: Black holes generate masers, essentially microwave lasers. So if Graviton wants ANY kind of human shield or distracting force, he has to be a lot more careful about his powers than Majestic does (not that Majestic gets a free ride in this regard).
Originally posted by Khellendros
Oh, they can fly, but not with the force that can move planets.
Thor couldn't move at all and Graviton wasn't even remotely straining himself..... it'll hold down Majestic
Originally posted by Khellendros
Yes, but he was protected by his forcefield, right? We're talking about speed, and with someone who is as vulnerable to Graviton as Jolt, speed is meaningless.
actually he never bothered with the force field at that point as he was so overconfident that he didn't see anyone as any kind of threat to him
Originally posted by Khellendros
Wonderman won't be crushing his skull when he's getting knocked unconscious by multiple electron blasts.
you seem to have Black Bolt defending against both Wonderman and Graviton at the same time....... he isn't capable of that with his scream/whisper powers limited the way they are
Originally posted by Scoobless
Thor couldn't move at all and Graviton wasn't even remotely straining himself..... it'll hold down Majestic
Originally posted by Scoobless
actually he never bothered with the force field at that point as he was so overconfident that he didn't see anyone as any kind of threat to him
Originally posted by Scoobless
you seem to have Black Bolt defending against both Wonderman and Graviton at the same time....... he isn't capable of that with his scream/whisper powers limited the way they are
i just put up a Dragon Man V's Vision thread as i don't know how either of them will beat the other..... hopefully someone can offer me some help there......... lol
Originally posted by Scoobless
i just put up a Dragon Man V's Vision thread as i don't know how either of them will beat the other..... hopefully someone can offer me some help there......... lol
Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
Is Graviton's shield totally environmental? Can it stop attacks as varied as sound, manipulated electrons, ordinary light, etc.? I think that Graviton's shield is just getting pierced, surpassed and blown to bits in this fight.