Haldir's Death

Originally posted by Darkman87
If you talk about the unarmored men or villagers, you are right but if you talk about Gondor, i think you are mistaken. Haldir, I remember he did some pretty good moves however if you remember the time the keep exploded all elves were killed by Uruks' spears.

haha no they were not. only one of them was impaled by a spear. they fought, yes, for a while but it was only when they were called back to the keep that they were mostly all killed because they were too concentrated on getting back to the keep, which took them off guard, and which also made them easier bate for the Uruks.

I don't get it why did they make Haldir die in the movie........he didn't die in the book so why in the movie?

And that scene did ruin the rest of the movie for me......*cries*

Just to add more depth to the story......and to give him a bigger role.

the weird thing about haldirs death is... well I can't remember him dying in the books. And the whole "elf army showing up" thing never happened in the books. And if the elves would have sent an army Haldir wouldn't lead it. He's just some kind of border guard. Not a general or commander.

Haldir didnt die in the books so mayb thats why you couldnt remeber it ??? perhaps

Originally posted by ladygrim
Haldir didnt die in the books so mayb thats why you couldnt remeber it ??? perhaps

LOL yeah ... its more of a comfort that Haldir's death didnt happen in the book, because it's tolkien's story, not pete jackson's 😉

Yeah... I'm very happy about that 😉

And I'm not sure about it, but they said all of these Lórien elves that weren't there in the book died there in the movie, right? Leaves me wondering why a little... I mean, they weren't the only fighters there, but certainly about the most skilled... I don't see why they should all have died.
Tell me what I'm overlooking...
And Legolas didn't either... 😛 (I'd have had a good amount of
aggression against a certain movie-maker if he had 😉 )
Besides, I didn't think it very nice that these elves haven't even been mentioned or anything of the like later on... not in one sentence.
But that might also have been the entire lack of mention of all those who died at Helm's Deep... They're dead, so who cares? Tssss...

true .. in the end like EVERY one of them died .. not ONE was left at helm's deep, so i find that hard to believe

Ok this is a little of topic but I don't see why peter jacksson changed the in battle helms deep so radically. cause thetre were no elfs in that battle (exept legolas, he is complaning a lot about that...) and Éomer was there all along. He is the one who says: "may this be the time when we draw swords tohether". It's completely pointless. Why changa such a good script, and why kill Haldir? 😕

Ok this is a little off topic but I don't see why peter jacksson changed the in battle helms deep so radically. cause there were no elfs in that battle (exept legolas, he is complaning a lot about that...) and Éomer was there all along. He is the one who says: "may this be the time when we draw swords tohether". It's completely pointless. Why change such a good script, and why kill Haldir? 😕

Probably Éomer wasn't there because they needed a good group of Rohirrim to come from the outside and they haven't brought in Erkenbrand 😉
Why the elves? No idea. They look impressive 😛 And why they all died... probably sort of dramatic effect... *shrugs* I'd have survived with a little less of that.

yeah well it freaks me out.....

unnecessery.....

Originally posted by vanice
Ok this is a little off topic but I don't see why peter jacksson changed the in battle helms deep so radically. cause there were no elfs in that battle (exept legolas, he is complaning a lot about that...) and Éomer was there all along. He is the one who says: "may this be the time when we draw swords tohether". It's completely pointless. Why change such a good script, and why kill Haldir? 😕

I think pete jackson changed the battle not drastically but i think the was what he added to the battle makes it some what more easy and intreting to watch .Personally i found reading helms deep rather 🤨 dull but thats my opinion

yeah well the helms deep chapter in the book is not too easy to understand...

Originally posted by LegolasLuva
😆 "Olympic Uruk'Hai..." Ha ha! I liked all those arrows in that fight. I think it would be more boring without the elves. All those hundreds of arrows flying all over the place made the battleground seem more... "Alive"... Unsettled... More active, know what I mean? ✅ 🥷 Ninja Elves! Now THAT would be a sight to see! Or Zorro Elves...! 🤺

Actually I think it would be WAY more interesting if they followed the book more. I'd rather see what I'd read in the book, not a whole changed up story...

OFF TOPIC!

The book version of the fight was rather boring to me, and sketchy. P.J. IMO had a knack for describing everything in excellent detail sexcept for the battle sceens. They always seemed so short in the books to me.

Plus, Peter jackson didn't most likely have the hardcore Lotr fans in mind when he made movies. He's trying to make a lot of money when it coems down to it, so he made the movie more appealing tot he average movie goer, taking out certain boring parts from the books and pumping up the fight scens more.

Also why he put in all that crap about Aragorn dreaming about Arwen, he P.J. was trying to put in more of a love story, because in the books Arwens actually doing something like 3 times in all the books.

Average people want to see A) Senseless violence and action. B) Some sort of deep love conenction (Thank you Titanic, you f*cker.) C) A good plot.

P.J. supplied all of that by adding in his own action stuff, the love triangle between Arwen, Aragorn, and Eowyn. And the plot was tweaked a bit to make it not so confusing.

Movie-Haldir sucked! 😛

Originally posted by Belegûr
Movie-Haldir sucked! 😛

Well, I must say that I was touched, almost made me cry even though it devoates from the books here, I think this would be one of the only scenes that PJ made himself and that touched me.