I think thats really the one thing I can't forgive P.J for giving the saving of Frodo scene to Arwen over Glorfindel. The way it was described in the book would have looked brilliant on screen, admittedly only those who read the books would have known it was the Elven Lord Glorfindel one of the few capable of riding openly against the Nine but still. Would have been nice for the fans.
Well, have to agree with the fallen, and
@ Haldir o Lorien
Well, if you remember the scene where Arwen is riding to Imladris with Frodo, then you'd remember that when they are riding, a Nazgul extends his hand for the ring, and She says to Frod, No, we.........Blah Blah Blah.
@ Vanice
No idea about the expensive bit but it's pointless hiring her if I'm asked.
Originally posted by Hammad Ahsan
Can't edit the message but have to say, if the elves are supposed to be skilled, then I don't undestand why PJ killed them, plus, following the book would have been better, I'd like to have seen Erkenbrand rather than eomer riding, and seeing him battle on foot would have been better too.
Originally posted by Hammad Ahsan
Well, have to agree with the fallen, and
@ Haldir o Lorien
Well, if you remember the scene where Arwen is riding to Imladris with Frodo, then you'd remember that when they are riding, a Nazgul extends his hand for the ring, and She says to Frod, No, we.........Blah Blah Blah.
i love alllllllllllllllll scenes from the lord of the rings. of course this is one of the best from the two towers (i lllllllovvvve ale passages with elves, because i love them, they look so heavenly and they have so much light...). but don't and i say DON't be sad, cause you knoW that many of the elves were send back. (exemple: glorfindel who died in a battle in silmarillion-i don't know exactly what 😕).
ps. i love the soundtrack. 🙂
I really liked the scene and everything and think it was really well made but I just don`t get it. I mean the effects were real good and it was touchy but Haldir wasn`t such an important character that deserved that dramatic death and how come he and aragorn are so good friends, I don`t record them together as friends in any of the other movies. Can anyone please explain it to me?
Originally posted by jirls
I really liked the scene and everything and think it was really well made but I just don`t get it. I mean the effects were real good and it was touchy but Haldir wasn`t such an important character that deserved that dramatic death and how come he and aragorn are so good friends, I don`t record them together as friends in any of the other movies. Can anyone please explain it to me?
And Aragorn is friends with all the Elves as you should very well know.
Including haldir's death I did not like the following things
1)Haldir would never leave the realm of lorien and its totally wrong that elrond sent them because haldir is under the command of galadriel and not elrond.
2)Actually instead of elves the rangers will come in the book,and it would have been more awesome.
3)No glorfindel in the movie 🙁
4)The scene where gimli was exhausted by the long run,actually dwarves are very strong and never get exhausted and are stronger than orcs in running.
5)No tom bombadil in the movie.
All right,I accept these are little things,it would have been difficult to portray all.But I can say the movie is awesome except the above things especially the balrog scenes.
I hope bumping is not frowned upon on this forum, I've checked both the pinned threads and read nothing of it. So, my apologies if it is.
With regards to that last post, I don't have much explanation as to why Haldir brought word from Rivendell and not Lothlorien, but the notion that Haldir would never leave Lorien is fraudulent. Haldir is one of the few Lorien elves who could communicate with the Fellowship precisely because he would occasionally leave Lorien to gather news and spy on enemies, thus picking up quite a bit of Westron on his travels.
As for his 'death' in the movies - eh. Elves don't die true deaths and unfortunately Jackson didn't explain what happened to elves when their bodies expire very well (or at all, really). Their spirits go to the Halls of Mandos and wait for a time, but they are often re-embodied and in some cases, sent back to Middle-Earth if they still have a purpose to fulfull (Glorfindel). So Haldir's death wouldn't be as permanent or 'final' as Boromir or Theoden's or any other human's for that matter.
I wasn't adverse to him going to Helm's Deep. Haldir is one of my favourite characters anyway and I'd rather see more of him then less. And about him and Aragorn being 'friends' - we have to remember that although it might seem in the movies that the Fellowship was only in Lothlorien overnight, they were actually there for a month, so there's little reason to believe Aragorn and Haldir couldn't have established a friendship.
I actually liked the inclusion of the elves in the Battle of Helms Deep scene, one deviation from the book that I did agree with as it reinforces the friendship that existed between elves and men that was only vaguely touched on in the films. Also it was a way to illustrate the men of Rohan having allies and the futility of despair shown in the exchanges between Aragorn and both Theoden and Legolas. The ONE thing I would have changed and it may only seem a niggle but I would have had Theoden asking Aragorn to ride out to battle with him rather than the other way round as I think this gives a truer indication of the character of Theoden.
Maybe, but I think they had to focus on Aragorn finally stepping up. He didn't want to be King, but every time he saw something he felt needed to be done, he was almost pulled in to the role by his own sense of righteousness.
Theoden acquitted himself well I think, and made up for his earlier mistake by riding to Gondor's aid.
Yes I agree when I compare the Leaders of the two nations I think in ROTK Theoden is everything Denethor should be but isnt. Do you think some of the things that developed Aragorns character in the books should have been included. What about the big difference between Elronds character in the books compared to the films?
Originally posted by elrond72
Yes I agree when I compare the Leaders of the two nations I think in ROTK Theoden is everything Denethor should be but isnt. Do you think some of the things that developed Aragorns character in the books should have been included. What about the big difference between Elronds character in the books compared to the films?
I'll be honest; I haven't read all the books. I did read Return of the King about... 12 years ago. I tried reading FOTR more recently, but all that singing made me lose interest before they even reached Bree.
I've watched the movies and played numerous LOTR video games, but my knowledge of the books is lacking.
Any examples you could highlight for me?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's the reason most people fail to finish the book... including myself on the first try. It's really worth getting through that, though.
I will go back to it. I have the trilogy sitting on my shelf, It's just a question of getting down and actually reading it. I want to read the Hobbit too, which I hear is much easier to get through.