Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSupes is better than Glads, and Cable is better than MB.
^Superman =/= Gladiator
MB=/=CableIt doesn't has to be hypocracy. Superman is just mentally tougher then Glads 😉.
BTW I gave Glads the win and here I give it to Supes.
But the methods being presented as to why MB would beat Glads would apply to Cable beating Supes.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's my general reaction to any of your posts.....
😆 stop acting like that Leo, it doesn't fit you... you are a nice guy. As for your comment involving Machester and Cable, Cable actually have super human reaction and he is more powerful than Black in EVERY category and not by a small amount either. You can "think" that Superman is more powerful than Glads but they share the same powerset, the difference is, Glads is more ruthless than Supes and would actually kill you right off the bat, no matter who you are. Black chances of surviving against Glads is small whereas Supes would basically hold back his power against someone that is far more powerful than Manchester, who dropped Supes with just a thought.
Then you compare Superman and Glads body structure as if it is the same. Then you fail to realize that after Cassandra mind attack successfully worked on Gladiator, the Shiar equipped him with Psy dampners to prevent such attacks from happening again (reason why Jean was unable to mind rape him when he attacked the xcrew).
That was why I said OMG. Then you bring up me falsly using scans... which ones was that?
Originally posted by Mindset
Weren't you for Black beating Glads?
Actually no, I wasn't. I just felt like people were underestimating Black.
Originally posted by carver9
Your opinion buddy.@Pr... I don't read a lot of Surfer but I know enough to make a decision on who he could and couldn't beat. Surfer is a boring character to me... too nice but I like his raw power.
The Surfer and Cable fight doesn't hold precedent here. Cable wanted to get defeated and allowed Surfer to deal the damage he dealt. If Cable was as serious as the Surfer, the fight would have went a lot differently.
What we do know is that Cable can rip through indestructible items like paper, so Superman going fist cuffs wouldn't be a smart thang to do.
so you don't read enough to know the toughness of his board. gotcha.
Originally posted by carver9
😆 stop acting like that Leo, it doesn't fit you... you are a nice guy. As for your comment involving Machester and Cable, Cable actually have super human reaction and he is more powerful than Black in EVERY category and not by a small amount either. You can "think" that Superman is more powerful than Glads but they share the same powerset, the difference is, Glads is more ruthless than Supes and would actually kill you right off the bat, no matter who you are. Black chances of surviving against Glads is small whereas Supes would basically hold back his power against someone that is far more powerful than Manchester, who dropped Supes with just a thought.Then you compare Superman and Glads body structure as if it is the same. Then you fail to realize that after Cassandra mind attack successfully worked on Gladiator, the Shiar equipped him with Psy dampners to prevent such attacks from happening again (reason why Jean was unable to mind rape him when he attacked the xcrew).
That was why I said OMG. Then you bring up me falsly using scans... which ones was that?
all of them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually no, I wasn't. I just felt like people were underestimating Black.so you don't read enough to know the toughness of his board. gotcha.
all of them.
*Sigh*... Surfer board is made of the same material his outer shell is made of... its nigh indestructible.
*Sigh again*... which scans did I falsly use. Please be more specific. The one I think you are taking about is debatable since the impact of the fight took a large impact on the shiar crew AFTER the Glads fight and it was also involved in a canon story involving Surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
😆 stop acting like that Leo, it doesn't fit you... you are a nice guy.
i have moments, but many of your comments lately HAVE made me say omg. i have NO issue with you for disagreeing. i DO take issue with the WAY you do at times.... anyway, i tend to forget any forum disagreement very quickly, so it's all good carver.
As for your comment involving Machester and Cable, Cable actually have super human reaction and he is more powerful than Black in EVERY category and not by a small amount either.
i'll disagree here, at least without some proof. when ss decided enough was enough, he killed cable pretty much without effort. that fight was never ever in doubt, despite some cool feats by cable. it may well be that that version of cable>black, but i'd love to see some scans SHOWING some of his better feats while he was at that level so we can better compare.
You can "think" that Superman is more powerful than Glads but they share the same powerset,
the SOURCE of their powers is entirely different however. and clark's feats against tp'ers are FAR better than galds'. glads' powers are strictly psionic. clark's are completely physical.
the difference is, Glads is more ruthless than Supes and would actually kill you right off the bat, no matter who you are.
that's irrelevent. when superman is debated, his BEST feats are used.
Black chances of surviving against Glads is small whereas Supes would basically hold back his power against someone that is far more powerful than Manchester, who dropped Supes with just a thought.
and in their second meeting, supes thought black KILLED lois.
Then you compare Superman and Glads body structure as if it is the same.
wut? i said black has already affected loads of alien (villains) with his powers. your claim that he couldn't affect glads because he's some DIFFERENT kind of alien fails beneath the weight of evidence.
Then you fail to realize that after Cassandra mind attack successfully worked on Gladiator, the Shiar equipped him with Psy dampners to prevent such attacks from happening again (reason why Jean was unable to mind rape him when he attacked the xcrew).
and yet he WAS taken in by her, and needed outside help to escape. she didn't TRY and mind rape him. AND black's tp feats are better than rachel's anyway. don't think so? prove it.
That was why I said OMG. Then you bring up me falsly using scans... which ones was that?
seriously? ahhh, forget it carver.
Originally posted by leonidas
i have moments, but many of your comments lately HAVE made me say omg. i have NO issue with you for disagreeing. i DO take issue with the WAY you do at times.... anyway, i tend to forget any forum disagreement very quickly, so it's all good carver.i'll disagree here, at least without some proof. when ss decided enough was enough, he killed cable pretty much without effort. that fight was never ever in doubt, despite some cool feats by cable. it may well be that that version of cable>black, but i'd love to see some scans SHOWING some of his better feats while he was at that level so we can better compare.
the SOURCE of their powers is entirely different however. and clark's feats against tp'ers are FAR better than galds'. glads' powers are strictly psionic. clark's are completely physical.
that's irrelevent. when superman is debated, his BEST feats are used.
and in their second meeting, supes thought black KILLED lois.
wut? i said black has already affected loads of alien (villains) with his powers. your claim that he couldn't affect glads because he's some DIFFERENT kind of alien fails beneath the weight of evidence.
and yet he WAS taken in by her, and needed outside help to escape. she didn't TRY and mind rape him. AND black's tp feats are better than rachel's anyway. don't think so? prove it.
seriously? ahhh, forget it carver.
All of this is for fun... there is no need to take it so seriously.
Uuuummm. God like Cable held the entire planet captive and he was showing matter manipulating abilities on a HIGH scale with his powers. His powers were so strong that it was destroying his SUPER HUMAN BODY (something that Black doesn't have) from the inside out. He was teleporting people across the planet with just a thought... his powers were on another level. Hell, his tk was so strong that he forced it through his fist and destroyed Surfers board.
You must didn't read the part where Cable ALLOWED Surfer to defeat him. That fight holds no credit here and then he was basically near death during that fight, since again, his powers were eating away at him.
Superman does have good TP feats but he also have feats where he is taken over by tp attacks. You not thinking someone as powerful as Cable not being able to repeat and surpass what Black did to Superman on a whole nother level is ridiculous. He will not struggle at all with any TP attack. Cable>>>Black.
We don't debate off of "best" feats, we go by average. If we debate off best feats, Gladiator blitz Black at 100 times the speed of light with planet busting, star ripping, solar system destroying/containing strength.
Rachel didn't do anything to Glads except "temporarily" holding him in place. Once he broke that tp attack, she got one shotted just like Black would get one shotted.
Tell me what scans I falsly used and I will tell you why its "not a false scan.
Originally posted by carver9
All of this is for fun... there is no need to take it so seriously.Uuuummm. God like Cable held the entire planet captive and he was showing matter manipulating abilities on a HIGH scale with his powers.
so, where? as i said--cable may be stronger than black in THIS incarnation, but i still haven't seen proof.
His powers were so strong that it was destroying his SUPER HUMAN BODY (something that Black doesn't have) from the inside out.
so?
He was teleporting people across the planet with just a thought... his powers were on another level.
that's cool. love to see it.
Hell, his tk was so strong that he forced it through his fist and destroyed Surfers board.
saw that. didn't amount to anything, but cool enough.
You must didn't read the part where Cable ALLOWED Surfer to defeat him. That fight holds no credit here and then he was basically near death during that fight, since again, his powers were eating away at him.
he was burning himself out. you trying to say he wasn't really trying against ss??
Superman does have good TP feats but he also have feats where he is taken over by tp attacks. You not thinking someone as powerful as Cable not being able to repeat and surpass what Black did to Superman on a whole nother level is ridiculous.
first off, i never said he couldn't do to supes what black did so start reading more closely. he MIGHT be able to do so, but he has no feat comparable so to simply say he could is without on panel proof and as such is speculation.
Cable>>>Black. IMO
fixed.
We don't debate off of "best" feats, we go by average. If we debate off best feats, Gladiator blitz Black at 100 times the speed of light with planet busting, star ripping, solar system destroying/containing strength.[quote]😂
oh the irony..... you don't need best feats to say he's not holding back. you DO know the forum rules for these things, right? he can go all out and NOT kill. i can't believe you're trying to lecture ME on how to debate in the forum....
[quote]Rachel didn't do anything to Glads except "temporarily" holding him in place. Once he broke that tp attack, she got one shotted just like Black would get one shotted.
😂
why do i or anyone bother? or, he could always just set up an illusion then do this:
http://imageshack.us/f/198/fantasticfourv1250p32.jpg/
and yes, that was a straight up KO by sue. 👆
Tell me what scans I falsly used and I will tell you why its "not a false scan.
yeah yeah, you'll tell me scans not in continuity are legal, or have some reason you think they're legit. blah blah. i'm done with this discussion. most thought black would win that fight. good enough for me. as for this thread--cable could win, though beating clark with tk seems very unlikely to me. if he has some uber tp feats, i'd give him the win more than likely. supes' tp feats are far better than glads' though so it is no where near the same thing, despite your wishing so hard otherwise.
Originally posted by carver9
*Sigh*... Surfer board is made of the same material his outer shell is made of... its nigh indestructible.*Sigh again*... which scans did I falsly use. Please be more specific. The one I think you are taking about is debatable since the impact of the fight took a large impact on the shiar crew AFTER the Glads fight and it was also involved in a canon story involving Surfer.
you don't read surfer. 🙁
Originally posted by Mindset
I wish I could believe you. sneer
so do i. 🙁
Originally posted by leonidas
so, where? as i said--cable may be stronger than black in THIS incarnation, but i still haven't seen proof.so?
that's cool. love to see it.
saw that. didn't amount to anything, but cool enough.
he was burning himself out. you trying to say he wasn't really trying against ss??
first off, i never said he couldn't do to supes what black did so start reading more closely. he MIGHT be able to do so, but he has no feat comparable so to simply say he could is without on panel proof and as such is speculation.
fixed.
😂
why do i or anyone bother? or, he could always just set up an illusion then do this:
http://imageshack.us/f/198/fantasticfourv1250p32.jpg/
and yes, that was a straight up KO by sue. 👆
yeah yeah, you'll tell me scans not in continuity are legal, or have some reason you think they're legit. blah blah. i'm done with this discussion. most thought black would win that fight. good enough for me. as for this thread--cable could win, though beating clark with tk seems very unlikely to me. if he has some uber tp feats, i'd give him the win more than likely. supes' tp feats are far better than glads' though so it is no where near the same thing, despite your wishing so hard otherwise.
Not being mean when I say this but did you read anything involving god like Cable?
Here he is putting showing matter manipulating abilities WHILE holding Providence up AND fighting Surfer at the same time. He was Matter Manipulating across the entire globe during this battle. His TK was just that strong and advanced during this period and he was weakened.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9940/cabledeadpool102005strebm4.jpg
He was also capable of turning invisible and was using telepath across the globe WHILE building his base telepathically.
During this time, his tp and tk was so powerful that he was bringing people back to life.
Manchester is nothing compared to Nate during this time.
Originally posted by carver9
Here he is putting showing matter manipulating abilities WHILE holding Providence up AND fighting Surfer at the same time. He was Matter Manipulating across the entire globe during this battle. His TK was just that strong and advanced during this period and he was weakened.http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9940/cabledeadpool102005strebm4.jpg
1.) It wasn't just Cable alone that's been putting back all the damage that the two have cause but Surfer also had a hand on it..
2.) Cable didn't allow Surfer to beat him but was outright beaten, as in he knew he was going to lose..
Surfer = The Wild Card.. This is why he was begging him to Stop..
Originally posted by leonidashe was burning himself out. you trying to say he wasn't really trying against ss??
first off, i never said he couldn't do to supes what black did so start reading more closely. he MIGHT be able to do so, but he has no feat comparable so to simply say he could is without on panel proof and as such is speculation.
That's pretty much all that needs to be said about this. Lots of guys with TK out there, none of them use their powers the same. MB uses his TK with the kind of precision you don't see from other TKers.
Seems a bit like the Iceman vs Supes debate, where people were arguing about what a full powered Iceman could do minus the benefit of actual feats.
Originally posted by Ambient
I've been hearing a lot of misconception on that fight and as a Surfer fan 😄 I just wanted to clear some of it..1.) It wasn't just Cable alone that's been putting back all the damage that the two have cause but Surfer also had a hand on it..
2.) Cable didn't allow Surfer to beat him but was outright beaten, as in he knew he was going to lose..
Surfer = The Wild Card.. This is why he was begging him to Stop..
The thing about this is, by the time Cable and Surfer fought each other, Cable was already weakened. He wasn't at full power. We don't know how a battle between the 2 would have went if Cable was complete. Cable was already weakening before the fight, by the time Surfer ran up on him, it was near the end (death).
Originally posted by carver9
The thing about this is, by the time Cable and Surfer fought each other, Cable was already weakened. He wasn't at full power. We don't know how a battle between the 2 would have went if Cable was complete. Cable was already weakening before the fight, by the time Surfer ran up on him, it was near the end (death).
as true as it is, it really isn't arguable that Surfer was performing at anything close to his typical levels
so we have a "weakened" Cable vs a "under-performing" Surfer, which makes the whole thing indeterminable /shrug
As for Cable being able to TK people brains open... he did it twice to Deadpool. Blew his brains completely out the back of his head.
Here is one of the times.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9918/cd002030ef.jpg
As for other abilities, again, he brought someone back to life, shown high end matter manipulating abilities, bfr someone to the moon, bfred someone on the other side of the planet, tk built his base, turned invisible, sucked a virus out of a dying man... was shown teleporting to different sides of the globe, etc, etc... he did all of this with his tk/tp.
GL Cable>>>Manchester.
