Book Six : Harry Potter And The Half Blood Prince [merged]

Originally posted by PotterGurl
Rowling tells fans:

Rowling also states that fans should be concentrating on answering two questions:

1. Why didn't Voldemort die when he tried to kill Harry?
2. Why didn't Dumbledore try to kill Voldemort in that scene at the end of book five?

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Lets try and focus on these...I'm assuming Voldemort didn't die when he tried to kill Harry b/c the love of Harry's mother flowing in his veins, she died to protect him. When Voldemort tried to kill Harry, that protection rebounded the curse back on to Voldemort, but it must have lost some of its juice, and in the moment of the rebound Harry and Voldemort made some kind of lasting connection where Voldemort's powers were transferred over to Harry, leaving the lightning bolt shaped scar (thus marking him, and making him, his equal). Is that too simple? Can the key to why Voldemort is still alive possibly be b/c his curse wasn't as effective in rebound form? There's gotta be more to it...

and as for part II...I have to reread...

Why Wormtail was not there in the "Order of the Phoenix"?

I'm not following...

I dont think Dumbledore tried to kill voldermort in OOTP because he knows about the prophecy, how only harry can be the one to kill him. Or is that way too simple? It seams like there should be something else to it, but i'm not seeing it....

1. Why didn't Voldemort die when he tried to kill Harry?

I guess that it could be possible that it may have lost some of its power, but I think that there is something else out there. Don't you think that the curse just losing some of its power is a little too obvious? We all know how JKR works....

I totally agree BB, that that is just too simple.
But the thing about Dumbledore not killing Voldemort makes sense. He was really the only one who knew about the prophecyin its entirety, and he's probably the only one who knows what it means. Harry and Voldemort are connected, probably even deeper than we realize, and Dumbledore couldn't sever that connection...maybe if he had tried, both of them would have died at the same time! Only Harry has the power to vanquish the Dark Lord...

^both of them, being Harry and Voldemort...

you know if its true that voldermort is part of harry, if harry dies wouldn't that kill voldermort? and if voldermort dies. . wouldn't harry die as well?

not according to the prophecy....

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..." OotP pg. 841

So the part that gets me is this "neither can live while the other survives" business. Are both Harry and Voldemort merely "surviving" and not actually "living?" That's gotta be the key! When Voldemort sent his curse upon infant Harry something must have happened besides it rebounding b/c of Lily's love. It's part of the prophecy Harry will be marked as an equal, so the first time the curse hit him Harry was marked. And in doing so this connection btwn. Harry and Voldemort came into fruition and only they can sever it. Maybe part of the connection has something to do w/ being alive--I'm not saying Harry's dead, it's something else--like how Voldemort isn't alive, and hasn't been for a while...

So Angelsflame, maybe if Dumbledore had tried to kill Voldemort it wouldn't have worked b/c clearly only Harry has the power to do that. But does it go the other way too, does Voldemort alone have the power to kill Harry? So far that seems very possible, but am not sure if it is true...I mean Harry has lived through a curse set upon him as an infant, living w/ the Dursleys, a bewitched broomstick, a Basilisk, all of Dobby's ingenius ideas to save Harry including two rogue bludgers, attacks by a Whomping Willow, the Tri-Wizard Tournament, and a fight against countless Death Eaters...just to name a few...

Originally posted by tracygarrett

So the part that gets me is this "neither can live while the other survives" business. Are both Harry and Voldemort merely "surviving" and not actually "living?"

now that is a new questionthumbs_up

Originally posted by tracygarrett
"neither can live while the other survives"

I've been thinking about that part too. What does it truly mean? I looked up what exactly survive meant, and this is what it said: "to live or exist longer than or beyond the life o existene of..." I guess that doesn't mean too much, but oh well.

Originally posted by tracygarrett

So Angelsflame, maybe if Dumbledore had tried to kill Voldemort it wouldn't have worked b/c clearly only Harry has the power to do that. But does it go the other way too, does Voldemort alone have the power to kill Harry? So far that seems very possible, but am not sure if it is true...I mean Harry has lived through a curse set upon him as an infant, living w/ the Dursleys, a bewitched broomstick, a Basilisk, all of Dobby's ingenius ideas to save Harry including two rogue bludgers, attacks by a Whomping Willow, the Tri-Wizard Tournament, and a fight against countless Death Eaters...just to name a few...

But Voldermort did something. . one sec let me copy the part. .

And then Harry'l scar burst open. He knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance-

He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began. They were fused together, bound by pain, and there was not escape-
And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his agony he felt his jaw move. . .
"Kill me now Dumbledore. . . "
Blinded and dying , every part of him screaming for release, Harry felt the creature use him again. . .
"If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy"
Let the pain stop thought Harry. Let him kill us. . . End it, Dumbledore. . .Death is nothing compared to this

If Dumbledore had killed Harry then. . would voldermort had died also? because i took that as voldermort. . (i could be wrong on that)

You mean "If Dumbledore had killed Voldemort then.." 😖 right?

well, he would've been killing harry also. .

Yeah, I know what you mean, but you're making it sound like Dumbledore was trying to kill Harry.... 😖

lol Dumbledore:die harry die!! mwahahaha 😂

Originally posted by tracygarrett

So the part that gets me is this "neither can live while the other survives" business. Are both Harry and Voldemort merely "surviving" and not actually "living?" That's gotta be the key! When Voldemort sent his curse upon infant Harry something must have happened besides it rebounding b/c of Lily's love. It's part of the prophecy Harry will be marked as an equal, so the first time the curse hit him Harry was marked. And in doing so this connection btwn. Harry and Voldemort came into fruition and only they can sever it. Maybe part of the connection has something to do w/ being alive--I'm not saying Harry's dead, it's something else--like how Voldemort isn't alive, and hasn't been for a while...

Well JK says Voldemort didn't die off his own rebounded spell because of some "steps" that he performed many years ago. (And you people should know this if you have read the 4th book carefully) 🙂 The real problem is that what were that steps? And are there any "anti-steps" for that steps performed by Voldemort?
The second question is interesting though. 🙂

Yeah, so Voldemort did those "steps" lets call 'em...he did them before he put the curse on infant Harry, so he wasn't really alive, and he couldn't die. So maybe Harry got that "power" also--where he can't die (unless Voldemort does it?). And that's why Voldemort didnt' die when the curse "rebounded" off of Harry....

Do you think Harry got that power when the spell rebounded of Harry or on to Voldermort? Or when Voldermort took Harry's blood to help him be reborn?