Captain America VS Spiderman

Originally posted by LordFear
Guys why are we Cap bashing here???
Some of us are not putting into light Cap's glorious career.
The dude stood in front of Thanos during the IG saga and when Thanos said" So Captain it would appear that all of your comrades have fallen and soon you will join them in Death"
what does Cap say?
"Thanos as long as there is one person to stand up in oppostion to your tyrany in this Universe, then you will never win"
That's balls, people!!!
F*&^%ing balls dudes!!

Last but not least, I think Captain America was the only one who wasn't really fighting, he was just running around and bossing people around. If he had those balls you claim he has, why didn't he just fight with the rest of the team ?

I know the reason...

All I remember is what happened on the next page...

*Cap approaches Thanos*

Thanos: Surely you Jest...

Cap: Thanos as long as there is one person to lives in oppostion to your tyrany in this Universe, then you will never win...

Thanos: Then die you shall!!!!

*Thanos smashes shield*

Smacks Captain with a backhand..snapping his neck which instantly kills him.....

Anyway...that's essentially what would also happen to the good Captain's head if SM landed one full force punch on it...lol...

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Spiderman's style is his own, but that does not mean his technique is flawless by any means. He throws punches and kicks that are just as counterable as any other punch or kick...specifically his uppercut which leaves a huge opening to the body and face.

Somehow I don't think Cap has the speed required to dodge most if even a few of Spidey's aerial attacks, even on the ground it would be kinda pointless to try and wait it out with Spidey only to throw a punch here and there, Spidey reflex-wise is much too quick and, as far as his cunning goes, much too smart not to know to rush or close in on an opponent for the kill when standing in one spot can't get the job done.

I'm all for supporting Captain America - I think he deserves respect for being a classic World War II era hero. That having been said, I'd daresay that he's probably a little stronger, a lot more endurant, and a little faster in terms of explosive muscle, but a lot less reflexive or flexible. Spiderman has advantages in terms of manueverability and ranged attacks. Captain America's shield is the only thing that makes me say Cappy can win it 45 out of 100 times.

Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
I'm all for supporting Captain America - I think he deserves respect for being a classic World War II era hero. That having been said, I'd daresay that he's probably a little stronger, a lot more endurant, and a little faster in terms of explosive muscle, but a lot less reflexive or flexible. Spiderman has advantages in terms of manueverability and ranged attacks. Captain America's shield is the only thing that makes me say Cappy can win it 45 out of 100 times.

you think Cap's stronger than Spider-Man??????? AND faster???????

have you ever read a Captain America or Spider-Man comic?

Spidey is faster, stronger, More flexible, more agile, more durable, has a sixth sense about danger and has webbing Cap cannot break.......

i'm not saying a fight is ever as straight forward as stats but when your opponant outclasses you in every physical way you are in trouble

Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
I'm all for supporting Captain America - I think he deserves respect for being a classic World War II era hero. That having been said, I'd daresay that he's probably a little stronger, a lot more endurant, and a little faster in terms of explosive muscle, but a lot less reflexive or flexible. Spiderman has advantages in terms of manueverability and ranged attacks. Captain America's shield is the only thing that makes me say Cappy can win it 45 out of 100 times.

To break it down:

Spidey-SUPERHUMAN
Cap-PEAK HUMAN

I can guarantee you that Cap won't be using armored cars for weapons anytime soon from a logical standpoint.....Spidey could do this, he has done it, and if a situation calls for it, he will do it again.

I mean, I guess I can level with you on the endurance thing, if this was some kind of triathalon, I'd bet that Spidey would be quite impressed with Cap's drive to keep going on....but I think he would tire a fair time before Spidey would. And this is a no-prep fight with two people being dropped into a stage of battle already aware that they're fighting to win by any means nessecary, and with the physical advantages Spidey has in GREAT abundance over Cap, I doubt the fight would be some one hour classic......

Actually, Spidey's superpowers don't give him an edge in endurance. Cappy's powers involve eliminating fatigue-causing chemicals. He's practically a living machine.

I know the canon says he operates at peak efficiency, but come on. Just check out the sort of stuff he does in the comics. He gets hit by Absorbing Man's super ball-and-chain and doesn't get eliminated. Spidey would have a hard time with that. I think Captain America's got a lot of hidden power that he doesn't regularly use. I just think Spiderman's got the edge in terms of creative use of his powers and speed.

I meant faster in terms of a track race: He'd probably beat Spidey, assuming no webslinging. But in terms of reflexes, reaction time, etc., Spidey has him beat. And I always tend to view the speedier person as more likely to win.

Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
Actually, Spidey's superpowers don't give him an edge in endurance. Cappy's powers involve eliminating fatigue-causing chemicals. He's practically a living machine.

I know the canon says he operates at peak efficiency, but come on. Just check out the sort of stuff he does in the comics. He gets hit by Absorbing Man's super ball-and-chain and doesn't get eliminated. Spidey would have a hard time with that. I think Captain America's got a lot of hidden power that he doesn't regularly use. I just think Spiderman's got the edge in terms of creative use of his powers and speed.

I meant faster in terms of a track race: He'd probably beat Spidey, assuming no webslinging. But in terms of reflexes, reaction time, etc., Spidey has him beat. And I always tend to view the speedier person as more likely to win.

Think about it: he was portrayed in comics first and foremost as the perfect HUMAN. Not SUPERHUMAN. I've heard this argument about Cap doing this and that and I find it all quite annoying, and even with all the EXAGGERATED (please note emphasis on the word exaggerated) feats Cap has pulled off in his crime-fighting career, none has equaled Spidey's speed or strength feats.

Listen please, it's been portrayed numerous times in both multiple bios and from comics themselves that Cap is everything a human is capable of coming or a human at his or her absolute, it would be pretty much inconcievable for ANY peak human to reach limits that exceed that of Spidey even through the most intensive training anyone in general has to offer, I just can't see it. Nor can I see Cap sharpen his relflexes to 15x that of the average human or developing pre-cog that heightens those reflexes to that of 30-40x faster than that of a human. Nor can I see him drink milk enough to produce calcium for his skeletal structure to dent steel when thrown into it or take bullets running, not to mention shaking off being thrown to a brick wall. What you've been exposed to in Cap's comics is just another example of overhyping a character's abilities.

And what's to say Cap's body can eliminate the fatigue causing chemicals fast enough when trying to keep up with Spidey once he kicks it into high gear and goes aerial or simply bounces around him as he did so many times with the Hulk? It's not impossible for Cap to become tired, especially when trying to exceed limits set for him that he simply cannot exceed when it comes to actually matching Spidey speed.

And Cap beating Spidey in an on-foot race? Nuh-uh. Let's look at the facts in terms of leg strength:

Cap-has a vertical leap that exceeds that of an Olympian
Spidey-has a vertical leap that exceeds that of a human, period (we're talking about a standing leap here, an area in which Spidey greatly outshines Cap)

To put in plainly, there's not enough adrenaline or steroids in the world as of now to boost a peak human's stats form peak levels to superhuman levels on a calibur of Spidey's without a devastating aftereffect such as death or...death.

it's been theorised that Spider-Man should be able to run 3-4 times peak human in a sprint over short range distances..... but webslinging uses less energy and is faster

Wait, Straw. So the canon is wrong, not the little blurb about Captain America on a website or a trading card. I think that's a little irresponsible. If the series shows that Cappy can do things that he shouldn't be able to, the series wins. That's the nature of the story. I'm going by my impression in the series, where he seems to be roughly proportional to Spiderman's power. I mean, both of them are created superhumans, except Spiderman was accidental and Cappy wasn't. Why the heck would Spidey be stronger in all respects?

That having been said, while Captain America can win some fights I think some people here think he can't, this isn't one of them. 55 times out of 45, Spidey's going to win it. And many of those other 45 times are ones where it's not in a city. It's a fact: Put Spidey in Chicago, let alone New York, and Captain America is dealing with someone who can be literally anywhere and can set up as many traps as necessary. Game over.

Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
Wait, Straw. So the canon is wrong, not the little blurb about Captain America on a website or a trading card. I think that's a little irresponsible. If the series shows that Cappy can do things that he shouldn't be able to, the series wins. That's the nature of the story. I'm going by my impression in the series, where he seems to be roughly proportional to Spiderman's power. I mean, both of them are created superhumans, except Spiderman was accidental and Cappy wasn't. Why the heck would Spidey be stronger in all respects?

That having been said, while Captain America can win some fights I think some people here think he can't, this isn't one of them. 55 times out of 45, Spidey's going to win it. And many of those other 45 times are ones where it's not in a city. It's a fact: Put Spidey in Chicago, let alone New York, and Captain America is dealing with someone who can be literally anywhere and can set up as many traps as necessary. Game over.

Take this as you will, I'm just saying. What with Spidey's pre cognitive abilties combined with an array of other superhuman abilties will make him near untouchable for any human, maybe Cap would have less difficulty in the area than your average joe but, that doesn't make the task easy. I'd still doubt that Cap would be able to land more than three maybe four punches, and even the possibilities of that happening are slim. I mean, even if Spidey were to stand there and let Cap wail on him for a day and a half it wouldn't do any damage, the possibility of the blows even hurting Spidey to the point where'd he say "Ow!" isn't a great one, considering the large amounts of punishment Spidey can take and has taken.

And Cap wasn't created to be a superhuman, he was created to be the perfect human or the very peak of human potential....everything a human is capable of becoming. That's not a superhuman. Spidey's a superhuman. Sure, he got his powers by accident, but let's face it, Spidey is the most relatable character of the two when compared becuase while Spidey would just as quickly put his life out there on the line for someone else as Cap would, he dwells more on the responsibility he bears and how it effects the lives of those around him. I mean, there are plenty of origins that you could've considered to have happened by accident. Take Batman, for example, do you think he planned on his parents being gunned down right in front of him? Somehow I don't think anyone in his posistion would've planned on it unless they had planned on doing it themselves.

Oh yeah, my predictions for the fight: Spidey 9/10 if not 10/10

Except that this is a comic book world where people get stronger because they got bitten by a spider. When I get bit a spider, it just hurts.

It wasn't called the "Pretty Good Soldier" serum, it was the Super Soldier serum, designed to make Cappy a living weapon against the Nazis. It shows by the feats he's able to perform in the comics. While I agree that Spidey is an Everyman character, Cappy is too. He's supposed to be the proof that America is great from World War II: he's just this really very good guy and a very moral soldier.

I mean, you're right, I think that Spidey, while maybe being a bit younger and a bit less experienced, will win if it's a city setting. But with the shield and with Captain America's other edges, I think he wins if it's flat plains or desert.

Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
Except that this is a comic book world where people get stronger because they got bitten by a spider. When I get bit a spider, it just hurts.

It wasn't called the "Pretty Good Soldier" serum, it was the Super Soldier serum, designed to make Cappy a living weapon against the Nazis. It shows by the feats he's able to perform in the comics. While I agree that Spidey is an Everyman character, Cappy is too. He's supposed to be the proof that America is great from World War II: he's just this really very good guy and a very moral soldier.

I mean, you're right, I think that Spidey, while maybe being a bit younger and a bit less experienced, will win if it's a city setting. But with the shield and with Captain America's other edges, I think he wins if it's flat plains or desert.

And just becuase it was called the "super soldier serum" from which Cap got his powers doesn't mean that Cap is now superhuman. It doesn't. He was written to be the peak of human potential, to be everything that a human can become. There's a difference between that and a superhuman, a superhuman is more than human period in more ways than one.

And I don't that Cap's skills are enough to handle Spidey in a non-prep battle in just about any environment. Spidey outclasses him in every physical aspect by wide margins. And Spidey could get to Cap alot faster than Cap could get to him turnign the tables greatly in Spidey's favor. In flat plains or desert it only makes it harder for Spidey to FIND Cap, not defeat him. It's a "come as you are, no prep" battle, which means that even if Cap got the jump on Spidey the most he could do is throw sand in his face. I mean, again, when it comes boils down to it, what will trying to hit Spidey do to help Cap? Not much. Especially when Spidey takes it aerial and starts attacking overhead. And Cap throwing his shield at Spidey will only result in a momentarily lost weapon, becuase, honsetly, do you think that Spidey will just stand there and hope the shield misses him? Not likely. He's going to move. And once he's out of the way of the shield, Cap is alone and open for a blitz attack, and Spdey definitely knows how to take it to his opposition blitzing style.

And Spidey has 40+ years experience so I doubt Cap has much of an advantage even in that area.

Okay, but origin comes from canon. The canon to me is always right unless we see some really good reason to ignore it (like in the standard "X vs. Y" books that are typically pretty ridiculous). Captain America has been chemically altered to ignore lactic acid, for example: no reason he couldn't also be able to push his strength upwards with normally impossible levels of adrenal-like chemicals.

I'm just saying: Look at what Captain America can actually do in the comics. Look how he's rated holistically. You compare him to Spidey (he's typically all 7s) and I think he has a chance.

The flat plains and desert eliminate Spidey being able to sling everywhere. They get rid of the aerial combat: there's nothing for Spidey to grab onto but air. They just have to run. No guerilla combat, just straight up. Even if Cappy is weaker, I think he's enough of a better fighter to compensate.

All you guys must be smoking to think that Spiderman would lose to a mere human like Capt. A. Spiderman is stronger, faster, smarter, and hard to kill. C. A. doesnt stand a chance.

Normally, spider man shoud win. He is strongest, faster and has the spider sense and his webs.

But cap is a very hard rival for spiderman, because he is way a better fighter and his shield is very dangerous. Normally , spidey should win, but with a lot of troubles.

Spiderman is faster than Capt. shield is. He can dodge it all day and then web it up against an unreachable spot like the tip of a sky scraper. The rest is history. Nuff said.

To take cap shield isnt that easy.

Beast has taken his shield a few times............. and that was before his recent stupid upgrade