Originally posted by Scoobless
Beast has taken his shield a few times............. and that was before his recent stupid upgrade
Spider-Man dodges lasers and bullets (sometimes at the same time). Somehow I don't think that the shield of CA will give him much trouble.
Originally posted by ArekExcelsior2
Okay, but origin comes from canon. The canon to me is always right unless we see some really good reason to ignore it (like in the standard "X vs. Y" books that are typically pretty ridiculous). Captain America has been chemically altered to ignore lactic acid, for example: no reason he couldn't also be able to push his strength upwards with normally impossible levels of adrenal-like chemicals.I'm just saying: Look at what Captain America can actually do in the comics. Look how he's rated holistically. You compare him to Spidey (he's typically all 7s) and I think he has a chance.
The flat plains and desert eliminate Spidey being able to sling everywhere. They get rid of the aerial combat: there's nothing for Spidey to grab onto but air. They just have to run. No guerilla combat, just straight up. Even if Cappy is weaker, I think he's enough of a better fighter to compensate.
And you're second point has proven my own point: Cap is human, that's how he's been portrayed in comics, multiple bios, etc.....he CANNOT do the stuff in comics that he's been portrayed to do when challeneged to do so in the REAL world from a reasonable and realistic standpoint.
And no, flat plains and desert does not get rid of aerial combat for Spidey, again, Spidey has a 30 ft (maybe higher) vertical leap. Combine that with reflexes that'll utilize contortions to avoid a shield throw from Cap on demand, agility, and elasticity that'll allow Spidey to attack Cap from almost any angle in the air and the sudden elimination of use of webbing need not be an issue. And Spidey has a unique style of his own that's gone unmatched for as long as he's been in comics, okay, now couple that with superior reflexes to Cap combined with the spider sense, the obvious advantage Spidey has once he goes aerial, and the staggering strength advantage Spidey could put into play at any time for an instant win and I'd say Spidey could take himn in HTH combat, simply becuase he's already got a leg or so up on any of the moves Cap could dish out.
This post is ridiculous. Spider-man wins easily. Technically, Spider-man is never suposed to get hit. Marvel says that Spider-man's spidersense jerks him outer of danger (even before the attack happens) without his knowledge. Writers have Spidey getting hit because they cannot think of a way for him to have adversity (this is the truth). Have you ever wondered why Doc Ock doesn't die instantly from getting punched by Spidey (in some cases he doesn't even suffer a scratch). Doc is human for crying out loud. His face bones should be shattered in a million pieces (since Spidey can shatter stone, wood, steel, with one punch). Spidey simply cannot be hit. Technically, Spider-man is superior to most super powered beings. He is able to lift over 50 tons (his actual max strength goes into unchartered territory) when under stress. He can move at speeds as fast as sound under stress (becoming a blur, invisible, or multiples of himself). He can endure tremendous amounts of concussive force (bombs, hits by Hulk, etc.). Technically, there is zero way for Cap to hit Spidey. Also it is IMPOSSIBLE for Cap not to get hit by Spidey. Common sense should tell anyone that " One cannot defend that is which too fast for him/her to react to." Captain America has no defense (he has only peak human reflexes). Heck I even seed slow moving enemies hit Cap. There is no amount of fighting ability to combat this. It is a supreme fallacy to say that since Cap has great fighting ability he can win. This is utter nonsense.
note: Technically means, "Consistent with exact power descriptions."
Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-man is superior to most super powered beings. He is able to lift over 50 tons (his actual max strength goes into unchartered territory) when under stress.
i know that Spidey's bios always say 10 tons but that was at first, most would agree he's gotten a bit stronger over the years but 50 tons may be pushing it.... i'm not arguing that under extreme stress situations that he has gone well beyond 10 tons...... to maybe weight approaching 30-40... but i think 50 is too much
It's posts like the 2 above Scoobles that makes cement my stance on Cap taking Spidey. Who-Kid, Scooble, and Straw make me teeder-totter between the two.
Captain America is a much, much better hand to hand fighter than Spiderman. Spiderman has enough durability to take almost anything Captain America can throw at him. The only acception would be a direct blow with his shield to the back of the neck, head, or a shot to the temple
Spiderman has never proven himself able to lift 50 tons. He has, on numerous occasions, lifted more than 10 tons, but that is because marvel statistics state he can "press" 10 tons. He is able to support or squat significantly more because it's a fact....legs are stronger than arms.
One big factor I don't think people have really argued about that I feel needs attention.....will Spidey's web stick to the surface of Cap's shield?
If it does, then Spidey can yank the shield right out of his hands. If it doesn't, I'm quite sure Cap is fully capable of blocking almost any web based attack.
i think his webs can't stick to vibranium, so it may not be able to adhere to the surface of caps shield, however, the webs do tend to wrap around things on impact and could stick to the back of the shield or one of the straps cap uses to hold it
but if Cap gets webbing on himself then he's pretty much screwed
If Luke Cage can't rip the webs (see New Avengers #4), then Cap
certainly won't be able to break them. Cap will give Spiderman a
good fight. That's a lot of credit to Cap, but he's just TOO overmatched.
Spiderman could theoretically just walk up to Cap, take a bunch of hits,
and bear-hug him to death. Not that this would ever happen, but the
point is that the power-level between these two is so lop-sided.