Regarding Balance & the death of Palpatine & Vader

Yup. Lucas has the word on this one. Creechur is wrong and PVS is right.

It's not about simplistic scale balancing., GL says, directly, the Sith create imbalance; to restore balance you must destroy the Sith- and in fatc that is the only way. Whilst the Sith are in power, there can be no balance. Trying to keep equal numbers of Jedi and Sith, or any nonsense like that, has nothing to do with anything- official.

Originally posted by Gangularis
PVS, those are great theories, but they're just completely wrong because i say so. which is basically what you said about everyone's theory about the balance of the force.

WELL PVS IS JUST ANOTHER JERK WITH A ROD IN HIS ASS WHO THINKS HE KNOWS IT ALL

Originally posted by bilb
Hmmmm, lets see here. Registered March 2005, TODAY, with exactly ONE post and it just so happens to be a JP flame. Wonder who this could be?

YOU CAN WONDER ALL YOU LIKE BUT YOU DONT KNOW ME. SO GET DOWN OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE. AND WHEN YOUR DONE REMOVE YOUR HEAD FROM "JP"S ASS OR WHEREVER YOU'VE STUCK IT.

i smell a banning

I SMELL A SHITHEAD

Originally posted by Ushgarak
PVS is right.

jawdrop 💃 💃 💃

yeah and who made him the master of all star wars knowledge? i hate you. i bet you look like your avatar

Originally posted by bilb
Actually thats a good point PVS. Because it seems like that the way the Jedi 'cheat death' is far different than the Sith way. It seems like , and I hope wil be confirmed in ROTS, that it is a choice you make to give up your physical body and become one with the force, ala Yoda & Obi. So one could argue that Anakin (having been brought back to the lightside) CHOSE to end his mortal life when he told Luke to take off his mask. I know he was critically injured from the lightening, but technology had kept him alive for 20 years, I'm betting it could have patched him up again. Yet he CHOSE to give himself to the force. Once again, everything comes down to choice.

what always bugged me...and i know this is off topic...but why did yoda and anakin choose to become force ghosts? the sith was already destroyed...so why did they need to hang around? unless luke still needed to rebuild the jedi order and needed their counseling? maybe that should be a thread in the OT forum... 😕 im too lazy to post it though 😛

Foba, you need to take a chill pill. He was right, get over it.

just a sock troll. pay it no mind

Hey Foba Bett, nuck a sut, I'm sorry that you hate other peoples opinons and all, but that's the point, and PVS, thank you for wording it better than I did. The Sith create the imbalance, and that's what matters.

dont thank me, thank george lucas. 😉

Q-Does Anakin Bring Balance to the Force?

"If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is grey. In each of us we have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this. In The Phantom Menace one of the Jedi Council already knows the balance of The Force is starting to slip, and will slip further. It is obvious to this person that The Sith are going to destroy this balance. On the other hand a prediction which is referred to states someone will replace the balance in the future. At the right time a balance may again be created, but presently it is being eroded by dark forces. All of this shall be explained in Episode 2, so I can't say any more!"

notice how he lies at the end though 😠

I hate it when he does that. But who said Luke brings balance to the force? That's crazy talk. That's like saying R2-D2 doesn't have a droid STD

Originally posted by PVS
dont thank me, thank george lucas. 😉

Q-Does Anakin Bring Balance to the Force?

"If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is grey. In each of us we have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this. In The Phantom Menace one of the Jedi Council already knows the balance of The Force is starting to slip, and will slip further. It is obvious to this person that The Sith are going to destroy this balance. On the other hand a prediction which is referred to states someone will replace the balance in the future. At the right time a balance may again be created, but presently it is being eroded by dark forces. All of this shall be explained in Episode 2, so I can't say any more!"

notice how he lies at the end though 😠

Where did you pull that quote from? When was it made...

The lie at the end is just a sign of how Lucas really likes to fly by the seat of his pants with these movies. We think he has it mapped out...but really he doesn't think that far ahead.

He certainly doesn't think it through, if he did, Mace and Yoda wouldn't have had that discussion in TPM about "always two there are, no more, no less"
How the hell would they know that? The Sith were in hiding.
GL often rushed into things, but, I still love the movies.

btw, PVS I agree with you about how Vader only dies because he re-joins the lightside. I mean, the mechanical suit keeps him physically alive, while the twisted and evil darkside keeps his "spirit" with him.

OK, how is balance maintained if the Jedi have no counter in the universe, other than the evil in all of our hearts? Just as good people need evil and temptation in the world to give them something to strive against, I would think the Jedi need an enemy to remind them of why they choose the light path. Is Lucas saying that the Sith are so corrupt that they tweak things in the favor of evil just by existing?

I swear its Lucas that has his head up his ass sometimes.

Its like the bible thumpers out there that want to abolish everything sinful in the world. They never stop to think that if all that stuff was removed from society, we would have no reason to try to be good. What is "good" when there is no "evil" to compare it to, much less fight against?

What I think, and I can't stress the I think part, is that certain Sith powers, like Sidious clouding the entire lightside, or the Sith way to cheat death, corrupt the force and thus tip the balance of power toward the darkness. So from a certain point of view, the Sith are the problem.
That and GL said the Sith create imbalance.

Originally posted by Creechuur
OK, how is balance maintained if the Jedi have no counter in the universe, other than the evil in all of our hearts? Just as good people need evil and temptation in the world to give them something to strive against, I would think the Jedi need an enemy to remind them of why they choose the light path. Is Lucas saying that the Sith are so corrupt that they tweak things in the favor of evil just by existing?

I swear its Lucas that has his head up his ass sometimes.

Its like the bible thumpers out there that want to abolish everything sinful in the world. They never stop to think that if all that stuff was removed from society, we would have no reason to try to be good. What is "good" when there is no "evil" to compare it to, much less fight against?

It is simply that your definition of Balance differs from his. You say to be balanced the Jedi must have a counter. Well, that's not how GL has it in his own Galaxy. He has it that the Jedi bring balance endemically, and the Sith destroy it.

I am sorry if you don't like GL's cosmology- but it is his and no-one elses.

Exactly, you could just not watch the movies. I mean, it's another universe and in that universe GL's word is final.

Originally posted by Creechuur
OK, how is balance maintained if the Jedi have no counter in the universe,

the point is that the jedi do not create good in the universe, nor do they have any 'enemy' besides the sith. "we are keepers of the peace, not soldiers".
there will always be evil and injustice, as well as good. the jedi and sith do not play into this.

Originally posted by Creechuur
Is Lucas saying that the Sith are so corrupt that they tweak things in the favor of evil just by existing?

not by mere existance, but in clouding the vision of those who wish to keep the peace...then by blindsiding and killing all who could oppose him...then by running the galaxy into the gutter. they are their own evil, and want to control everything, but its not like they are part of all that is evil. example would be slaveowners and gangsters on tatooine. they are evil and existed long before the sith, and will probably exist long after.