Pope John Paul II dies

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Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

What? He's been Pope for the last 25 plus or minus years! He hasn't been this old forever!

In fact, despite my beliefs that he talks out of his ass, he is a great man. He has done some pretty fantastic things. I wish half of th epeople who talk shit about him could become half the man he is. Too bad he is trapped by his beliefs. If he cold get passed his religion and people paid any attention to him otherwise, I'm willing to bet he could really have made a difference.

Pope read last Rites...
so jump starting him doesnt work anymore?

I really respect what he did to end communism in Eastern Europe
communism in eastern Europe?, left winged socialism yes and totalitarian socialism, but never communism. There have never been a communist state, attempts on it yes, but no one have ever succeeded.

The old guy has been through a lot, about time he finds peace 😄

gonna give him this though, he is as tough as they come

True, whether you love him or hate him, he is tenacious, has conviction and will be remembered for being tough, and really hanging on. Although I am not in any way close to the Catholic faith, I will be saddened by his passing, when it does come, be it now or in years time. And to be honest I am now really sure to what degree the Cardinals and Bishops waiting in the wings will do, whichever succeeds him. My bet is on the Secretary of State though (Vatican that is so no jokes are made about Rice or anything)

How historians will end up describing his legacy is questionable. It’ s clear that he wants to be remembered for having made things better, but honest historians will have to acknowledge that he didn’ t do as much as he could have.

and what could he actually have done?

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do.JM 🙂

Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do
😂 😆

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do.JM 🙂

The wisdom is stupefying,

I think when I am 80 I to could be a Pope. I would be good, noble and wise.

I hope He'll get better soon.

Looks like he's gonna croak:

Pope's Condition Called 'Very Grave'
Pontiff Suffers Momentary Heart Stoppage; Report of Coma Denied
By VICTOR SIMPSON, AP

VATICAN CITY (April 1) - Pope John Paul II was conscious but in ''very grave'' condition Friday after suffering heart failure during treatment for a urinary tract infection, his spokesman said, struggling with emotion.

Joaquin Navarro-Valls told reporters the pope, who was being treated at the Vatican, was ''informed of the gravity of his situation'' and decided to remain in his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square, where thousands of pilgrims gathered to pray for him.

John Paul, 84, participated in Mass and received some top aides Friday morning, Navarro-Valls said.

''The pope is still lucid, fully conscious and extraordinarily serene,'' Navarro-Valls said. He said the pope had unstable blood pressure and remained in ''very grave'' condition.

John Paul asked aides to read him the biblical passage describing the final stage of the Way of the Cross, the path that Christ took to his crucifixion, Navarro-Valls said. In that stage, according to the Bible, Christ's body was taken down from the cross, wrapped in a linen shroud and placed in his tomb.

Navarro-Valls said the pope followed attentively and made the sign of the cross.

''This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years,'' Navarro-Valls said. Choking up, he walked out of the room.

John Paul's health declined sharply Thursday when he developed a high fever brought on by the infection.

On Thursday afternoon, the pope suffered heart failure and a condition called ''septic shock'' during treatment for the infection, the Vatican said Friday, but it denied an Italian news report that he was in a coma.

Thousands of pilgrims gathered on St. Peter's Square to stand vigil for John Paul, many tearfully gazing up at his third-floor window, and people around the world joined in prayer.

The pope received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening. Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed both for patients at the point of death and for those who are very sick - and it may be repeated.

The Rome daily La Repubblica reported Friday that the sacrament was administered by John Paul's closest aide, Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who serves as his private secretary. Dziwisz had given the pontiff the same sacrament on Feb. 24 just before the pope underwent a tracheotomy to insert a breathing tube in his throat at the Gemelli Polyclinic hospital, the newspaper said.

Italy's Apcom news agency reported Friday morning that the pontiff had fallen into a coma, but the Vatican dismissed the report.

On Friday, John Paul received several top aides, including the Vatican No. 2, Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano; undersecretary of state Archbishop Leonardo Sandri; the pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini; his doctrinal chief, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger; the Vatican foreign minister, Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo; and American Cardinal Edmund Szoka, the governor of Vatican City.

The pontiff was attended to in his apartment by the Vatican medical team, and provided with ''all the appropriate therapeutic provisions and cardio-respiratory assistance,'' the Holy See said.

It said the pope was being helped by his personal doctor, two intensive care doctors, a cardiologist, an ear, nose and throat specialist and two nurses.

Heart failure occurs when the heart no longer has the strength to pump blood through the body, and is a sign that the body's cardiac system is failing.

Dr. Paolo Nardini, a Rome physician who is not part of the pope's team, said a heart attack affects only the heart, while heart failure signals a ''breakdown of the entire system, basically uncurable.''

Dr. Peter Weissberg, medical director of the British Heart Foundation, said septic shock ''puts a phenomenal strain on the heart.''

In a statement released Friday, Weissberg said that ''those already suffering from heart disease - including those with heart failure - are even more susceptible to septic shock. Infection triggers a profound loss of blood pressure, depriving organs around the body of their vital blood supply and putting an enormous strain on the heart.''

Even the fittest patients need special care and medicine to survive, he said.

Ruini said he visited John Paul early Friday and found him ''profoundly serene and fully lucid.''

''I prayed with him for a moment which profoundly moved me. Certainly the pope has completely left himself in God's hands. I invite all Romans and Italians to intensify prayers for him in this moment,'' Ruini told private TG5 television.

He asked Italians to pray for John Paul, and said a special Mass for the pope would be held at 7 p.m. at the basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome. The patriarch of Venice, Cardinal Angelo Scola, also planned a Mass in St. Mark Basilica at the same time.

Around the world, people of different faiths joined in prayer for John Paul.

''Catholics, fellow Christians ... will be praying for him at this time as he comes toward the end of his extraordinary and wonderful life,'' said Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the archbishop of Westminster and one of the most senior Catholic clerics in Britain, speaking to reporters outside London's Westminster Cathedral.

In France, Muslim leader Dalil Boubakeur said Muslims were praying for the pope, describing him as a ''man of peace'' whose stature has been a determining factor for change in the world.

In the pope's home country, Poles flocked to churches as word spread of his deteriorating condition.

''I want him to hold on, but it is all in God's hands now,'' said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized in Wadowice, southern Poland. ''We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments.''

Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul has become a picture of suffering.

His 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.

It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions

Oh well. It's his time. Nothing we can really do but wish him good tidings in the afterlife.

I think when I am 80 I to could be a Pope. I would be good, noble and wise.
or a senile twit 😈

True, true, but there may be meaning to my mad ravings. Still, according to the news here its not looking good, and they are talking of the successor, and apparently the feeling is that the Church doesn't want to elect another young Pope due to having another long papal reign like this one. So it will probably be an older chap. So in a way JM is right, about them being older any way.

people i don't understand why they rape little boy's maybe not the pope but all the people under him like little boy's what's up with that shit i don't know but i hope they get what's coming to em,

eehh what?

my thoughts exactly....wtf?

And the winner of this week's incoherent rambling award goes to.....

Originally posted by neowizard2005
people i don't understand why they rape little boy's maybe not the pope but all the people under him like little boy's what's up with that shit i don't know but i hope they get what's coming to em,

Goodbye Pope

buhbye The pope is in his finaly hours...