BB - it's not about the end of the story! It's about a one on one battle.
A single battle. Not the outcome of the tale.
One battle - not a war.
Good WILL laways win over evil in the end. I believe you on that.
But good will NOT always win in an isolated incident. When Batman faced off with Bane - Bats didn't enjoy that did he?
But he still beats him in the end.
Originally posted by bakerboy
All marvel and dc and another other company comics are always with good beats evil in all the stories. Always the same, and in my list , all those people has beat doom.
the thing i don't understand is why are you posting.
people are saying you are wrong.
you are saying Good wins.
most fight are good vs evil here
or very good vs good lol
you don't even have to think. you already know the answer.
reason why you post:
1) get get opinon - who is with you (that spider , daredevil can beat doom)
if you think any good guy can beat any bad guy no point posting in these forum , because you already know the answer don't you.
I wish i can think like you.
ait am done peace.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah. They world's greatest superhero team. Bar The Defenders.
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Well, I guess it does explain a lot about our different perspectives on the Marvel hierarchy, so I guess preference is preference. *shrug*
...and yet he was still a major part. Says alot.
Yeah, it says he's a master planner and always has some sick scheme. Doesn't say he'd beat able to beat Doomsday.
Not ENTIRELY out of reach for someone with a time machine.
Well, there IS no end of time in the Marvel Universe - it's not judeo-christian like in the DC universe. But you're correct in that Doom could BFR Doomsday. You could count that as a win if you'd like.
I never denied that. I'm never taking credit from Thing, however, it wouldn't happen with anyone besides his main enemies.
It's also happened with Namor. Namor is far below Doomsday, too. When he fought Colossus, his blasts had no effect, so he had to use the same neural disruptor that he used on Hulk. That neural disruptor wouldn't work on Doomsday - he's wired completely differently. Doom doesn't have a great track record hand-to-hand against people with super strength.
I always give them a bit more room to do that stuff coz it's fated. For example, Magneto doesn't hold loses to a huge amount of people outside the X-Men universe, but it doesn't mean the X-Men are better than he. We know they're not.
I agree with that and that's why I tend to disregard hero victories based on luck or deus ex machina. But I think if the X-men repeatedly beat him with telepathy, it's safe to say that he's vulnerable to it, and I'd give the nod to any high level telepaths.
Bakerboy: Half of those people have no chance, maybe more. Doc Ock? Green Goblin? Hank Pym? Beast? HERCULES?! Hahahahaha.
lol, that was a long-ass list. Against Doom WITH prep? Nah....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahahahahaha.You are my favourite poster.
Not only are you hurling needless insults, but you're actually talking the biggest load of nonsense that I've seen.
All of the others could beat Doom with prep, hahaha. Too hilarious.
Just look at the last list you posted. Incredibly funny. Infact, look at the other list. Beyond laughter.
-AC
*Sniff* I wanted to be your favourite poster. 🙁
Originally posted by demigawd
Well, I guess it does explain a lot about our different perspectives on the Marvel hierarchy, so I guess preference is preference. *shrug*
In terms of power no way are the F4 top. However, they are, in my opinion, the best team.
Originally posted by demigawd
Yeah, it says he's a master planner and always has some sick scheme. Doesn't say he'd beat able to beat Doomsday.
Seeing as he got killed by a man who ISN'T as dangerous as a master planner with a sick scheme, I'd say it gives him a sporting chance.
Originally posted by demigawd
It's also happened with Namor. Namor is far below Doomsday, too. When he fought Colossus, his blasts had no effect, so he had to use the same neural disruptor that he used on Hulk. That neural disruptor wouldn't work on Doomsday - he's wired completely differently. Doom doesn't have a great track record hand-to-hand against people with super strength.
Well there is obviously no way of knowing unless they fight. Just going by what you rightly said above.
Yeah but Namor and the Fan 4 are often in the same continuity, connected characters. Colossus and Hulk were both overcome by Doom. I DO get what you're saying, and you understand me.
Originally posted by demigawd
lol, that was a long-ass list. Against Doom WITH prep? Nah....
See Bakerboy, if you've actually said something that me and Demi agree is ridiculous, you KNOW it's ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Lord S
Marvel Universe: The End.
at the end of that story Thanos gave up the power and everyone came back to life...... i wouldn't say the villain beat the hero in the end
what about.... "Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"...... Punisher would be the "villain" in that one......sorta
EDIT: when you add Bakerboy to your ignore list does that mean you wont be able to see any of his posts?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In terms of power no way are the F4 top. However, they are, in my opinion, the best team.
Out of curiousity (I'm not going to turn something THAT subjective into a debate), what is your definition of "best"?
Seeing as he got killed by a man who ISN'T as dangerous as a master planner with a sick scheme, I'd say it gives him a sporting chance.
He got killed by somebody who is at least 50 times stronger than Doom, and 1000 times faster. And he killed that person in the process.
Yeah but Namor and the Fan 4 are often in the same continuity, connected characters. Colossus and Hulk were both overcome by Doom. I DO get what you're saying, and you understand me.
Right - but I'm not sure what even a prep-timed Doom could do to beat someone like Doomsday, an opponent stronger and faster than Superman with no moral compunction against ripping Doom's head off. You're talking someone who nearly killed Darkseid, someone Wizard refers to as "a cosmic being" and who DC considers a match for Thanos.
See Bakerboy, if you've actually said something that me and Demi agree is ridiculous, you KNOW it's ridiculous.
lol - Doctor Octopus....
I also consider the FF to be the best team in that they use teamwork better even though they are less powerful......this belief is due to the fact that they know each other so intimately that there is almost no need for communication during battle as they know what the other will do
Doomsday has been killed by an energy being as well as by Superman....... unless Doom gets MAJOR research and prep time i doubt he could kill him
Originally posted by demigawd
Out of curiousity (I'm not going to turn something THAT subjective into a debate), what is your definition of "best"?
Well unbiasedly: Ability to get the job done as a team. F4 do as a team what I don't believe any other team could. Despite their powers individually, they beat people that other teams could probably never beat.
Originally posted by demigawd
He got killed by somebody who is at least 50 times stronger than Doom, and 1000 times faster. And he killed that person in the process.
Superman never used his speed at all in that match.
Originally posted by demigawd
Right - but I'm not sure what even a prep-timed Doom could do to beat someone like Doomsday, an opponent stronger and faster than Superman with no moral compunction against ripping Doom's head off. You're talking someone who nearly killed Darkseid, someone Wizard refers to as "a cosmic being" and who DC considers a match for Thanos.
My point was, he can be killed by getting damaged. So I believe Doom can find a way to do so. For the record, Doomsday is nothing to Thanos.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well unbiasedly: Ability to get the job done as a team. F4 do as a team what I don't believe any other team could. Despite their powers individually, they beat people that other teams could probably never beat.
Ah, ok. I can agree with that. The FF are definitely overachievers, and you're right, it's because of their teamwork, prep and resourcefulness.
Superman never used his speed at all in that match.
He did - that was how he was able to even stay in the fight against Doomsday. But when two opponents are using superspeed it's a wash. You'll note that when Doomsday fought everybody else, he completely overwhelmed them with his speed. Like when he hit somebody, went, picked up a car and smashed them with it before they finished hitting the ground from his FIRST hit. Sick!
My point was, he can be killed by getting damaged. So I believe Doom can find a way to do so.
Well, just about any physical being can be killed by getting damaged if you damage them enough. Doom had to resort to alternate means to take out bruisers in the past because he didn't have the firepower to damage someone with that level of invulnerability. Doomsday not just gave more punishment than anyone else against Superman, but he took it. Doom could devise ways to remove Doomsday as a threat, such as teleporting him far away, but he couldn't kill Doomsday. Not with Doomsdays power and not with his speed.
For the record, Doomsday is nothing to Thanos.
I can agree with that. But I bet he'll give Thanos a better fight than Doom. Thanos didn't even want to get into it with Hulk...Doomsday is a lot more powerful than Hulk.
Doomsday isn't more powerful than Hulk. At least not in terms of physical strength, not in durability. The only thing he has is super speed and Hulk is no slouch.
Anyway, Superman didn't use his super speed to relevant effect. He sped into Doomsday and Doomsday introduced him to the floor. It didn't get him anywhere.
Well ok, IF Doom can't kill Doomsday, he's isolate him and render him useless. So he isn't exactly gonna beat Doom either way.
-AC
Doom could beat Doomsday. Neurological attack, etc.
Doomsday is not more powerful than Hulk. He is written much worse than Hulk is, but he certainly isn't more powerful. Doomsday's "superspeed" is only superquick jumping, and blinding attack speed. Hulk has both. Doomsday is a Hulk rip-off, nothing more.