Justice League Team vs. Fantastic 4 Team

Justice League's Team- The Flash(Wally) and Martian Manhunter

Fantastic Four's Team- Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Girl, Human Torch, Thing, Dr. Doom, and The Hulk.

Rules-

Each team will have complete knowledge about the opposing team's powers and abilities.

Everybody will be fighting to win by any means necessary. They have been informed that they are fighting for the universe and that anybody they kill will be revived.

The battlefield is a featureless environment which only has a ground made out of unknown material.

Everybody will only be allowed to use weapons that they usually and consistently carry on them. In other words, Dr. Doom has his advanced suit and any technology that it carries. Everybody else will have nothing, but their powers.

Everybody was allowed to move at the exact same time with the intent to do whatever they can to bring their team to victory.

In order for a team to be defeated, all of their members must be either killed, knocked out, forced into submission, or completely immobilized.

Who wins?

ok....wow...Id have to say that those two alone could take this..The flash would take EVERYONE by just vibrating through them and making them explode....except maybe Doom since he probly has some freakin devices in his armour to do something...but then MM would just turn his brain off.....

Kinda ended the fight by saying how both teams have complete knowledge of each other. Richards and Doom both together with knowledge of the JLA Team could easily conjure up protection.

Then you have the other 3 of the F4, plus Hulk.

-AC

Originally posted by Blair Wind
ok....wow...Id have to say that those two alone could take this..The flash would take EVERYONE by just vibrating through them and making them explode....except maybe Doom since he probly has some freakin devices in his armour to do something...but then MM would just turn his brain off.....

I guess I could go with that.

how long do the teams get knowledge of the others prior to the fight?

And did this forum ever come to a consensus about Flash exploding people??...because I've never seen it (and really don't believe it at this point), and maybe I missed it on a thread somewhere but I haven't seen an issue number either.

If he can't, then Flash and MM lose. MM can't telepathize Hulk and Doom (not sure if Sue's shields would do anything there) and a continuous sonic clap from the Hulk would keep Flash at a safe distance (if he knows it's coming and doesn't run right into it, he might be able to stay away but couldn't come close...and Sue could have a shield around everyone else to guard against the clap.)

And if they have prior knowledge of their opponents then Reed and Doom won't let their team be vulnerable to a Flash-attack before the fighting even starts.

-DM

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Flash cannot make people explode. I've proved this before.

Currently, Johnny Storm is a herald. He'd kick Flash and MM's ass.

More like the Fantastic Six, huh?

I was pretty torn, until you said that both teams get a full understanding of their oppositions abilities. Doom and Richards are not people who would take that lightly. However, if they're not allowed to bring anything new into battle (gadgets or whatever), they're somewhat limited in terms of what they can do to stop someone who can move at near lightspeed. But so much depends on how quickly Flash could take out those two, Sue (before she gets her field up?), and then how well he and MM could work in tandem to bring down Hulk, who's probably the next biggest threat.

Personally, I think this comes down to how fast Sue can put up a force field vs. how Fast Flash can reach her and defeat her.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
sigh...

Flash cannot make people explode. I've proved this before.

Currently, Johnny Storm is a herald. He'd kick Flash and MM's ass.

Good.

I thought maybe the plague that began with stupid X-Men power upgrades was spreading to DC.

-DM

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
sigh...

Flash cannot make people explode. I've proved this before.

You did? Really? Wow, when?

Did you hear? Johnny Storm is a herald! That means he has the power cosmic! He would kick Flash's ass!

Originally posted by nigel45
You did? Really? Wow, when?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Flash&Supes vs Hulk&Juggernaut.

Ah, now I see. Since you arrived at the opinion that he cannot, it is an instant fact.

Exactly.

J/K. If somone has a power, they will demonstrate it at least once. Flash has never caused anyone to explode.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Exactly.

J/K. If somone has a power, they will demonstrate it at least once. Flash has never caused anyone to explode.

Don't get me wrong, that's good reasoning and all, but that doesn't make it true. Vibrating through something and causing it to explode would not be a power separate from the ones Flash already has, just a different way of using them, an ability. You're right, to my knowledge, Flash has never used this ability. There are possible answers as to why he may HAVE this ability without ever USING it, but they don't mean a whole lot. What I'm really trying to say is, I don't think this is a question with an easy answer. For all we know, this is an ability Flash has always "had", and next month he's going to demonstrate it. I realize you have a differing opinion, but to me, it doesn't seem much of a stretch to say that Flash is capable of something like this. Maybe it's because I'm a "fanboy", as hard as I try not to be. But honestly, I think it mostly comes from reading that Top Ten Superheroes issue of Wizard when I was 11 years old (before I even knew about Flash) and hearing them say that he could vibrate through people. Either way, I'll concede. Flash has not demonstrated this ability, so we should not assume he has it.

Very understandable. I applaud and agree with your reasoning.

The very second Flash makes someone explode in a comic, we will know that he is capable of doing so. Until then, it should not be considered as one of his abilities.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Very understandable. I applaud and agree with your reasoning.

The very second Flash makes someone explode in a comic, we will know that he is capable of doing so. Until then, it should not be considered as one of his abilities.

Yep.

Originally posted by Scoobless
how long do the teams get knowledge of the others prior to the fight?

The enemy's info was released only moments before the starting bell. Also, no preparation or action could be taken from either team before the starting bell. I hope that answers your question.

I did my best with the rules to make it a battle with absolutely no prep and no outside interference. I gave everybody info on their enemies, because I didn't want somebody to argue that one of the teams would lose due to them underestimating their opponents. I increased everybody's blood lust to the maximum to ensure that nobody would argue that one of the teams would lose due to them holding back and their refusal to kill.

I realize that I may have confused you, or did not answer your question completely. If you have any more problems, let me know.

Wow! Nige, Cosmic - that was some of the most grown up communication I've ever seen on this forum lol! Good example of behaviour guys.

J'onnz and Flash are awesome heroes, but they're out matched in this.

The Fantastic Four are the best super-team ever created - they compliment eachother really well, rather than just being a motley. I think the Teen Titans come a good second to these guys when it comes to working together.

Then you add the deviousness and tech of Dr Doom and the powerhouse of the Hulk and you've pretty much got all the bases covered!

Yeah you have two genius level heroes with knowledge of their enemies. you have two bricks with the thing and the hulk to act as human shields plus the human torch to fly around and shoot flames and the invisible woman to create force fields.

Maybe if the DC team had like one more person like maybe wonder woman it would be closer.

In short Marvel eats Dc.