Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Wow! Nige, Cosmic - that was some of the most grown up communication I've ever seen on this forum lol! Good example of behaviour guys.J'onnz and Flash are awesome heroes, but they're out matched in this.
The Fantastic Four are the best super-team ever created - they compliment eachother really well, rather than just being a motley. I think the Teen Titans come a good second to these guys when it comes to working together.
Then you add the deviousness and tech of Dr Doom and the powerhouse of the Hulk and you've pretty much got all the bases covered!
I would like to second Zephro's comment on Cosmic and Nigel's debating skills. That was very impressive. Way to keep things very civil guys. Too bad I can't seem to mimic their talents.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
The enemy's info was released only moments before the starting bell. Also, no preparation or action could be taken from either team before the starting bell. I hope that answers your question.
if they get info on the other team just before the start then Flash will take out Torch before he flames on and she does anything, MM will take out Reed and Doom with telepathic attacks.... then Flash would take out Thing...... at this point MM could try the telepathy on the Hulk..... but that wouldn't be smart as the Hulk has multiple personalities and which ever emerges will target Manhunter for the attack and rip him apart
that'd leave Flash and Hulk........ i can't see either beating the other
i can't find a suitable field to vote in.... lol
Originally posted by Scoobless
if they get info on the other team just before the start then Flash will take out Torch before he flames on and she does anything, MM will take out Reed and Doom with telepathic attacks.... then Flash would take out Thing...... at this point MM could try the telepathy on the Hulk..... but that wouldn't be smart as the Hulk has multiple personalities and which ever emerges will target Manhunter for the attack and rip him apartthat'd leave Flash and Hulk........ i can't see either beating the other
i can't find a suitable field to vote in.... lol
I should have put an option for a draw, for people that think this will turn into a standstill. My mistake.
Scoobles, Martian Manhunter's speed and strength is usually compared to Superman. Flash can deliver infinity punches. How can the hulk last any amount of time with MM and Flash unmercifully beating him down at super speed?
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
I should have put an option for a draw, for people that think this will turn into a standstill. My mistake.Scoobles, Martian Manhunter's speed and strength is usually compared to Superman. Flash can deliver infinity punches. How can the hulk last any amount of time with MM and Flash unmercifully beating him down at super speed?
"Beating down the hulk" ? You know when you make him angry he gets stronger right?
Okay both team have prep time so they know to watch out for the other's tricks like the flash trying to run over everybody. The marvel team has 3 genius level people ... Bruce banner (smart) Mr. Fantastic (smarter) and Doctor doom (smartest). With prep time they could think up a great plan.
ok why is it that people go and say that the flash is physically overrated on these boards then go and underrate him intelectually?? i mean he is by no way a geniuse but he can calculate things at lightning speed.... even if doom is smarter then the flash the flash could come up with literally a thousand tatical possibilities while Doom has thought of only one.... and i just know that somebody is gonna say well that one is the one thats gonna make them victorios but common....he would have to test it and come up with variable decisions as to what might happen if the flash did this or if MM did that, while the flash could do the same thing....just waay faster....and they also have the advantage in that they can communicate through MMs telepathy....id say the last person on there team would be hulk and well....flash's infinity punch is pretty hard and MM is no slouch...i still think these two could take it....
Originally posted by doctorstrongbad
"Beating down the hulk" ? You know when you make him angry he gets stronger right?Okay both team have prep time so they know to watch out for the other's tricks like the flash trying to run over everybody. The marvel team has 3 genius level people ... Bruce banner (smart) Mr. Fantastic (smarter) and Doctor doom (smartest). With prep time they could think up a great plan.
This is a no prep fight. They are only allowed equipment that they always carry on them. Also, both teams got to move at the exact time. I gave them knowledge of each other to avoid anybody arguing that one of the teams would lose because they underestimated the other team and took it easy on them.
As for your question, Yes, I know that Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder. I think almost everybody knows that. He has had that ability for most of his career, if not all of it.
So I ask, how is the hulk supposed to deal with MM unleashing punches at super speed and Flash delivering numerous infinity punches?
That question goes to anyone.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
This is a no prep fight. They are only allowed equipment that they always carry on them. Also, both teams got to move at the exact time. I gave them knowledge of each other to avoid anybody arguing that one of the teams would lose because they underestimated the other team and took it easy on them.As for your question, Yes, I know that Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder. I think almost everybody knows that. He has had that ability for most of his career, if not all of it.
So I ask, how is the hulk supposed to deal with MM unleashing punches at super speed and Flash delivering numerous infinity punches?
That question goes to anyone.
I guess nobody is going to answer my question. 🙁
(takes pity on the man and decides to answer) 😄 .....i dont think he can....see the hulk is a big physical person and he has enhanced duriblity, and a healing factor, buuuuuuuut i think that with a speed of light flury of HARD (common things at that speed HAVE to hurt) punches flash could take Hulk down....side note: i know flash can "give" people speed, but is that only with those using the speed force? cuz if its not couldnt he give it to MM and then its two speedsters, with one that has super strengh and other powers
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Very understandable. I applaud and agree with your reasoning.The very second Flash makes someone explode in a comic, we will know that he is capable of doing so. Until then, it should not be considered as one of his abilities.
Not to start a heated debate over this, but recently I was reading an older (mid nineties perhaps) issue of the JLA in which Flash's body was taken over by these parasitic face aliens. Long story short, they were controlling him and Batman had to try and free him. Flash mentions to Batman that he could "stick his hand into his skull, making it explode like a watermelon", or something to that affect. Of course he didn't actually DO this to Batman, so this does not prove a whole lot, but I think it shows a certain amount of evidence to this end. But yes, I still feel that we should not consider it a capability at this point.
Oh and I'm at school right now, so when I get home I'll try to get you all the issue number I'm reffering to.
The F4 + DOOM+ HULK is way too much for TJL. As far as intelligence ratings it goes #1 Reed #2 DOOM #3 Banner. Reed and DOOM work together to come up with a device that slows down time (very fesible for those two.) And the Flash is now nothing but a guy in a cool red suit. Just a thought. The rest of the Jonnie,Ben,Sue,HULK would eliminate MM and WW relitively quickly even if she was present too. IMO
Originally posted by Tony Stark
The F4 + DOOM+ HULK is way too much for TJL. As far as intelligence ratings it goes #1 Reed #2 DOOM #3 Banner. Reed and DOOM work together to come up with a device that slows down time (very fesible for those two.) And the Flash is now nothing but a guy in a cool red suit. Just a thought. The rest of the Jonnie,Ben,Sue,HULK would eliminate MM and WW relitively quickly even if she was present too. IMO
'Cept they don't get any prep time or anything to build with.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
(takes pity on the man and decides to answer) 😄 .....i dont think he can....see the hulk is a big physical person and he has enhanced duriblity, and a healing factor, buuuuuuuut i think that with a speed of light flury of HARD (common things at that speed HAVE to hurt) punches flash could take Hulk down....side note: i know flash can "give" people speed, but is that only with those using the speed force? cuz if its not couldnt he give it to MM and then its two speedsters, with one that has super strengh and other powers
I appreciate your pity.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
The F4 + DOOM+ HULK is way too much for TJL. As far as intelligence ratings it goes #1 Reed #2 DOOM #3 Banner. Reed and DOOM work together to come up with a device that slows down time (very fesible for those two.) And the Flash is now nothing but a guy in a cool red suit. Just a thought. The rest of the Jonnie,Ben,Sue,HULK would eliminate MM and WW relitively quickly even if she was present too. IMO
They only have usual equipment in this fight and each team take actions at the exact same time.
I don't think Flash or MM are going to let them cook up some device.