Evil Ryu vs Violent Ken

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v.Ken wins
jus bkause im a ken Fan ๐Ÿ˜›

Ken is one of my favorite characters as well, but I think Ryu will because he has been training longer than Ken, but Ken is the Master of the Shoryuken. Ryu is one of my favorite characters also. ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜„

Violent Ken isn't controlled by Bison.
The cause of his insanity is most likely Orochi based.

Nowhere does it state that V.Ken's corruption or new poers are from the Orochi, anywhere.

People say it's because of the purple flames and skull energy pillar, but it'sa graphical liberty, it's never stated anywhere that those aspects are unique to Orochi either.

Besides, if it where Orochi influence, then Ken's corruption would be as eternal as that of the Yagami, and we know thats not the case (As seen in V.Ken's ending. he returns to normal)

A far more likely scenario is that of Bison's more temporary Psycho Power corruption, since it was the sf2 movie version that V.Ken was based on.

Normal Ken punches E.Ryu in the gut & E.Ryu collapses. V.Ken punches E.Ryu THROUGH the gut & E.Ryu dies

Violent Ken is just an enhanced brutte stregnth version as Evil ryu is more powerful and has more increased attributes than his old self. Ryu defeats Ken in power and experience. Evil ryu wins. ๐Ÿ™‚

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nowhere does it state that V.Ken's corruption or new powers are from the Orochi, anywhere.

I agree with this.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
People say it's because of the purple flames and skull energy pillar, but it's a graphical liberty, it's never stated anywhere that those aspects are unique to Orochi either.

Even when only those who were tied to Orochi displayed this when using certain moves? ๐Ÿ˜•

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Besides, if it where Orochi influence, then Ken's corruption would be as eternal as that of the Yagami, and we know thats not the case (As seen in V.Ken's ending. he returns to normal)

True, but the game isn't canon to either side. And because of that I guess, SNK wanted to have a capcom character display power of a new crazed Orochi induced rage.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
A far more likely scenario is that of Bison's more temporary Psycho Power corruption, since it was the sf2 movie version that V.Ken was based on.

No, then Ken wouldn't of had that "evil insane guy" studder.
As seen in the movie, he was silent. Again, the Orochi skull in V. Ken's "Shinbu Messatsu" proves that the Orochi is behind his breif insanity.

Originally posted by JacopeX
Violent Ken is just an enhanced brutte stregnth version as Evil ryu is more powerful and has more increased attributes than his old self. Ryu defeats Ken in power and experience. Evil ryu wins. ๐Ÿ™‚

Heh, no
Ken out speeds him.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Even when only those who were tied to Orochi displayed this when using certain moves? ๐Ÿ˜•

It's called artistic licence, or can even be chalked up to experience. you can't staple it to something so vage when not every confirmed orochi has those atributes, I can think of 3 confirmed orochi's that don't posess any form of the skull and all but two don't have purple flames.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
True, but the game isn't canon to either side. And because of that I guess, SNK wanted to have a capcom character display power of a new crazed Orochi induced rage.

It's still not confired either way, and until it is, we should stick with the one that makes more sense.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
No, then Ken wouldn't of had that "evil insane guy" studder.
As seen in the movie, he was silent. Again, the Orochi skull in V. Ken's "Shinbu Messatsu" proves that the Orochi is behind his breif insanity.

Ken was stuttering and roaring and raging when he was under Bison's control in the movie... And see above for the skull thing, it's either coincidence or artistic lisence.

Originally posted by ThoraxeRMG
Heh, no
Ken out speeds him.

Ryu outlasts him, not to mention Ashura Senkuu is more dependable.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ken was stuttering and roaring and raging when he was under Bison's control in the movie..
No. He was silent

Ryu > Ken
Dark Hadou > M.Bisons psycho power
Evil Ryu > Violent Ken

Originally posted by brainchild81
No. He was silent

I meant during the actual fight

I don't care who wins, all I know is that some thing Orochi based.
Must of caused Ken to go into a violent streak.

And that assumption requires proof, not vague extrapolation based on GFX.

I'm sorry, but nothing either within or outside of the game suggests anything Orochi based is used with or by V.Ken.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I meant during the actual fight
Me too. I'm watching it right now. He was mostly quiet, more like a puppet than a madman. Not stuttering or roaring. Ryu wanted to get a response but he was only getting more violence until Ken's 'washing started to wear off.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And that assumption requires proof, not vague extrapolation based on GFX.

I'm sorry, but nothing either within or outside of the game suggests anything Orochi based is used with or by V.Ken.

Other than his purple flames and Orochi skull.

So the purple flames and skull are unique to Orochi users?

I guess then Bison and Akuma must also be members then since they have used purple flames before...

And the skull is not a be all end all indicator... it never was.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Normal Ken punches E.Ryu in the gut & E.Ryu collapses. V.Ken punches E.Ryu THROUGH the gut & E.Ryu dies

* true... ๐Ÿ™‚

Um No.... ^^^^ Ryu just came back to his sense and it was the strain from the power he just felt. Normal Ryu and Ken taken blows from eachother much harder.....Gosh nothin but rubbish.

No. It was Ken's speed & agility that let him evade E.Ryu & get in close & the gutshot took the wind outta E.Ryu's sails. It put Ryu right on his @ss IIRC.

Originally posted by peejayd
* true... ๐Ÿ™‚
๐Ÿ˜‚ It'd be like the Pilsberry doughboy thing, but way more violent.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Um No.... ^^^^ Ryu just came back to his sense and it was the strain from the power he just felt. Normal Ryu and Ken taken blows from eachother much harder.....Gosh nothin but rubbish.

* Violent Ken is much quicker and more brutal than normal Ken... Evil Ryu may have more energy because of Dark Hadou but he will go down with V. Ken's flurry of kicks and punches... ๐Ÿ™‚