Sorry but cyclops blasts arent light energy they do not travel at lightspeed and thats a fact. His blasts are pure force. His body metabolises solar energy and the result is his force beams. Its always been made clear that his blasts are pure force so where any of you got the lightspeed thing from is beyond me
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sorry but cyclops blasts arent light energy they do not travel at lightspeed and thats a fact. His blasts are pure force. His body metabolises solar energy and the result is his force beams. Its always been made clear that his blasts are pure force so where any of you got the lightspeed thing from is beyond me
And considering people have dodge his blast before, hairy Logan for instance.
Magneto has gone beyond mere magnetism and is on the verge of Surfer-like molecular manipulation (hush fanboys, I'm not saying he could take Surfer). He can generate black holes, apparently has power over various different fields of energy (i think electrical and possibly others) and generally just got a power boost.
Speed blitz into auto shield...I'll agree with demi there. And while Gladiator might be able to move the moon, he's not going to chuck it at Mags like it's a baseball.
Magneto is wicked powerful in his new form. If Gladiator can't make it a quick fight, he'd lose....I'd give it to Mags 7/10 times (new Mags mind you...old one would get whupped every time).
-DM
Originally posted by Beyonder
Gladiator can exceed lightspeed. Heck if we're using logic the way demigawd is, Gladiator's speed and strength would break Magneto's force field with less than a punch or two.Think about it, Flash can knock people like Wonder Woman just because he's moving at such a high speed that he's able to generate the power to do so. And Flash strength is normal is it not? Gladiator has operated at 100X speed of light and his strength is Class 100. Now [demigawd]logic[/demigawd] dictates that Gladiator would generate a punch that would kill Wonder Woman if Flash can send WW flying with his punch.
Gladiator would rip right through Magneto's force field kill him.
Good attempt at demilogic, but you forgot the part where you explain how Gladiator's momentum and strength would break Magneto's forcefield with less than a punch or two.
Additionally, if Gladiator went faster than light towards Magneto, he'd go back in time and Magneto wouldn't be there yet, lol.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sorry but cyclops blasts arent light energy they do not travel at lightspeed and thats a fact. His blasts are pure force. His body metabolises solar energy and the result is his force beams. Its always been made clear that his blasts are pure force so where any of you got the lightspeed thing from is beyond me
Looked it up....seems you're right. Nothing really described it as being anything more than pure force that does so and so with gravitons. So I guess we really don't know how fast it is.
Either way, Magneto has his shield up at all times, to a speed blitz won't automatically take him down. Gladiator, thinking Magneto is just a man, will hit into him, Magneto won't fall, then Gladiator will go into the same crisis he did against Cannonball, making him vulnerable. Then Magneto will take over his mind and tell him to go fly into the sun. Gladiator will do so happily...
Originally posted by demigawd
Looked it up....seems you're right. Nothing really described it as being anything more than pure force that does so and so with gravitons. So I guess we really don't know how fast it is.Either way, Magneto has his shield up at all times, to a speed blitz won't automatically take him down. Gladiator, thinking Magneto is just a man, will hit into him, Magneto won't fall, then Gladiator will go into the same crisis he did against Cannonball, making him vulnerable. Then Magneto will take over his mind and tell him to go fly into the sun. Gladiator will do so happily...
😆 Is that why Superman and Flash went back in time whenever they hit speeds faster than light? Both Gladiator and Surfer has hit speeds exceed lightspeed and never did they travel back in time.
Oh man, your over doing his shield. Kallark hitting speeds faster than light and ramming with Class 100 level strength would knock Magneto and his shield down.
Please, he wasn't even their to kill Cannonball. Kallark toyed with him the whole time, most of the fight Cannonball was getting handed by Gladiator looking for laughs. But since this is an arena battle, Gladiator ain't joking, so Magneto isn't pulling off any sh!t like Cannonball did.
Erik would get rapped by Gladiator. And if you know so much about Magneto, why would you saying something like Gladiator would think that Magneto is just a man? Please, they've run into each other enough. Eric the Red even gave Magnus his youth back, you think the leader of the Imperial Guard wouldn't know something like that?
Originally posted by Beyonder
Gladiator can exceed lightspeed. Heck if we're using logic the way demigawd is, Gladiator's speed and strength would break Magneto's force field with less than a punch or two.Think about it, Flash can knock people like Wonder Woman just because he's moving at such a high speed that he's able to generate the power to do so. And Flash strength is normal is it not? Gladiator has operated at 100X speed of light and his strength is Class 100. Now [demigawd]logic[/demigawd] dictates that Gladiator would generate a punch that would kill Wonder Woman if Flash can send WW flying with his punch.
Gladiator would rip right through Magneto's force field kill him.
I agree, Gladiator, even if he woudln't use lightspeed he could go tghouh Magento shield and ha the pwoer to easily go throuh Magneto shiedl.
Originally posted by Beyonder
😆 Is that why Superman and Flash went back in time whenever they hit speeds faster than light? Both Gladiator and Surfer has hit speeds exceed lightspeed and never did they travel back in time.
Superman cannot go faster than light. He can only achieve a high percentage of lightspeed.
Flash only goes faster than light when he uses speedforce. One of the properties of speedforce is, in fact, that you arrive before you left. Remember, the principal of speedforce is that you beat instantaneous teleportation - the only way that can be achieved is if you arrive before you left. So yeah, that principle stills applies.
And Gladiator or Surfer have never attacked at lightspeed. They've flown at lightspeed, but they don't fight at lightspeed. The reason why, I surmise, is because they don't think at lightspeed. Otherwise they'd be unhittable by people like Hulk, who does not move at lightspeed. If Gladiator still thinks at normal speed, then he's not at any extra advantage against Magneto. Magneto's shields will already be up.
Oh man, your over doing his shield. Kallark hitting speeds faster than light and ramming with Class 100 level strength would knock Magneto and his shield down.
I've named three instances where Magneto's shields have held up against extreme force. Name some instances where Kellogg has broken through forcefields by ramming it at FTL speeds.
Please, he wasn't even their to kill Cannonball. Kallark toyed with him the whole time, most of the fight Cannonball was getting handed by Gladiator looking for laughs.
What a way to exaggerate. What part of, "I suggest, terran, that you lose the jacket, because it's going to be a lot hotter where you're going...the SUN!" followed by, "Impossible! That was my most powerful blow! No man could survive that!" gave you the impression that a)Gladiator was fooling around and b) Gladiator wasn't trying to kill Cannonball?
Erik would get rapped by Gladiator. And if you know so much about Magneto, why would you saying something like Gladiator would think that Magneto is just a man?
Because Gladiator is arrogant. I'm sure he knows who Magneto is, but figures that he's nothing by comparison. Gladiator has an "all or nothing" personality. Either you're nothing compared to him or he has a terrible inferiority complex.
Originally posted by demigawd
Superman cannot go faster than light. He can only achieve a high percentage of lightspeed.Flash only goes faster than light when he uses speedforce. One of the properties of speedforce is, in fact, that you arrive before you left. Remember, the principal of speedforce is that you beat instantaneous teleportation - the only way that can be achieved is if you arrive before you left. So yeah, that principle stills applies.
Flash always uses the speedforce. That's how he's the Flash.
And Gladiator or Surfer have never attacked at lightspeed. They've flown at lightspeed, but they don't fight at lightspeed. The reason why, I surmise, is because they don't think at lightspeed. Otherwise they'd be unhittable by people like Hulk, who does not move at lightspeed. If Gladiator still thinks at normal speed, then he's not at any extra advantage against Magneto. Magneto's shields will already be up.
Thor and the FF four were using Reed's device to amp themselves 100X the speed of light. Gladiator shows up and battles Thor at 100X the speed of light. Reed even pointed out that Gladiator was operating at 100X the speed of light. Gladiator can do this.
I've named three instances where Magneto's shields have held up against extreme force. Name some instances where Kellogg has broken through forcefields by ramming it at FTL speeds.
Just because you named three instances that doesn't mean this shows Gladiator can't. Gladiator's used his lightspeed to ramming Ego numerous times - hit and round tactic. If your going to bring up Magneto's high feats, well Kallark has smashed a planet to pieces.
What a way to exaggerate. What part of, "I suggest, terran, that you lose the jacket, because it's going to be a lot hotter where you're going...the SUN!" followed by, "Impossible! That was my most powerful blow! No man could survive that!" gave you the impression that a)Gladiator was fooling around and b) Gladiator wasn't trying to kill Cannonball?
Way to not used logic demigawd. Gladiator was there to ask the X-Men to assist the Shi'Ar Empire. If he killed Cannonball, you think the X-Men would help him? You think Empress Lilandra would be pleased?
As for what he said, it's a figure of speech. USE YOUR LOGIC DEMIGAWD, USE YOU LOGIC...IF YOU HAVE ANY.
Because Gladiator is arrogant. I'm sure he knows who Magneto is, but figures that he's nothing by comparison. Gladiator has an "all or nothing" personality. Either you're nothing compared to him or he has a terrible inferiority complex.
Oh please, this is an arena fight. They go all out at each other. If your going to bring up arrogance, Magneto ain't? You think Magneto's going to kill Gladiator right off the bat? He'll be too busy boasting about how even the leader of the Imperial Guard should fear the Master Of Magnetism.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Flash always uses the speedforce. That's how he's the Flash.
Flash does not always use the speedforce. In fact, not all Flashes are even able to use the speedforce at all. Speedforce is a special skill.
Thor and the FF four were using Reed's device to amp themselves 100X the speed of light. Gladiator shows up and battles Thor at 100X the speed of light. Reed even pointed out that Gladiator was operating at 100X the speed of light. Gladiator can do this.
That storyline doesn't jive with continuity. Thor has fought and beaten Gladiator without using any superspeed devices or any superspeed at all. Hulk doesn't fight at 100 times the speed of light - he nailed Gladiator but good. Colossus gave as good as he got for awhile against Gladiator (and this was Gladiator as written by his creator) and Colossus doesn't move at 100 times the speed of light. The amount of evidence that's against that is overwhelming. So much so that I'd disregard that fight.
Just because you named three instances that doesn't mean this shows Gladiator can't. Gladiator's used his lightspeed to ramming Ego numerous times - hit and round tactic. If your going to bring up Magneto's high feats, well Kallark has smashed a planet to pieces.
Thor has the same power - and Magneto blocked him just fine. Multiple times. And this before THREE power ups. Unless you're saying that Gladiator is SO much more powerful than Thor that he can do AFTER three power ups what Thor could not BEFORE three power ups, then it's safe to conclude that Gladiator is not going to take down Magneto's shields, at least not before Magneto takes over Gladiator's mind.
Let's take this to the next level - Gladiator's power is psionic in nature. He's actually a tactile telekinetic. Magneto's power interferes with psionics. If Gladiator came in contact with Magneto's shield, it would interrupt his power and vastly decrease his speed, power and durability.
Way to not used logic demigawd. Gladiator was there to ask the X-Men to assist the Shi'Ar Empire. If he killed Cannonball, you think the X-Men would help him? You think Empress Lilandra would be pleased?
My logic is just fine. You may want to re-examine yours, however. Gladiator has no idea what Cannonball's powers are - and yet he hit Cannonball with an iron beam. If not for Cannonball's powers, HE WOULD HAVE DIED. that's hardly the work of a man just trying to hold Cannonball off, don't you think? Gladiator came into the fight not wanting to hurt Cannonball, but after getting punked and countered, Gladiator got pissed off and started using lethal tactics that Cannonball was smart enough to counter. Would the X-men and Lilandra have been pissed? Yeah...but when you're getting punked like that and you're proud and mighty, logic goes out the window.
As for what he said, it's a figure of speech. USE YOUR LOGIC DEMIGAWD, USE YOU LOGIC...IF YOU HAVE ANY.
FIGURE OF SPEECH?!? He was SHOCKED Cannonball was ALIVE! What are you smoking??? If he wasn't trying to kill him, he wouldn't have been so shocked that his confidence dropped like a brick.
Oh please, this is an arena fight. They go all out at each other. If your going to bring up arrogance, Magneto ain't? You think Magneto's going to kill Gladiator right off the bat? He'll be too busy boasting about how even the leader of the Imperial Guard should fear the Master Of Magnetism.
Magneto doesn't need to kill Gladiator to put him down. He just calmly de-activates Gladiator's powers and then tells him to go home...or go punch himself until he's knocked out.
Originally posted by demigawd
And Gladiator or Surfer have never attacked at lightspeed. They've flown at lightspeed, but they don't fight at lightspeed.
not treu Surfer has fought beyond light speed.
and no you don't go back in time. ( surfer has taveled much faster than light many times without opening portal)
When has he fought faster than light?
You can travel faster than light to a destination...you just arrive in the past relative to when you left. For example - if you leave at 3pm and you travel at, say, twice the speed of light for half an hour, you arrive at your destination at 3:10, not 3:30, even though you traveled for a half an hour. You've essentially gone back in time, even though time has indeed passed. Does that make sense?
Yes in reality that's how it works according to Einstein theory that this is comic lol.
As you approach light speed, time is slow for the rest, and if you go beyond, you should go back in time.
Just a theory and comic don't seem to follow that logic.
i don't remember there were some issue.
there was one i remember is when he was fighting some Rune's Henchman