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Originally posted by demigawdNow...in exchange, tell me all the times when Kellogg did lightspeed fighting. You mentioned his fight against Ego - did it say lightspeed? Ego is slow.
The 100x the speed of light thing sounds like a one-off to me. That's why I don't consider it valid. Of course, if you can come up with as many cases as I did with those two examples above, then I'll concede the point that Kellogg can fight at lightspeed.
He speed blitz Ego at lightspeed while a band of Shi'Ar shipped attacked Ego - but Gladiator was more successful. He didn't win but he didn't lose. Ego couldn't do a thing to him, Surfer shows up and demands Gladiator leave Ego alone. They fight; they stalemated; both left with a mutual argument; Galactus was pissed; he was hoping for the Gladiator and the Shi'Ar to weaken Ego so as Galactus would come in at the last minute, destroy them, and consume a weakenned Ego.
Reed used a device to amp up the FF and Thor's speed to 100X lightspeed to counter an effect that had slowed the Shi'Ar Empire to a crawl. Gladiator detected them and engaged Thor in battle. Thor only operated at 100X lightspeed do to Reed's device; Gladiator did it under his own power. And we both know Reed can come up with a lot of crazy devices.
He fought Wonder Man and kicked his butt easily. Masterson Thor (who was afraid to face Kallark at first) slams into Gladiator from behind. Kallark knocks that punk and sends him flying like a tennis, then moved right behind Masterson and pounds him in the back again. Gladiator demonated until Masterson used Mjlnornir to pull Avenger's member Living Lightning out of the sky and hit Gladiator by suprise, the Masterson hammered away (litterally) at a weakenned Gladiator. He won, but not without outside interference. Even then, they were afraid since him seemed like he was about to wake up. Masterson opens up a stargate in space, threw Kallark into it before he awoke.
In Across All Worlds, a future Gladiator is sent back to battle the real Thor again. Grabs a part of a building and throws it at Thor who smashes it, only to have Gladiator rush him at lightspeed and kick Mjlnornir out of Thor's hand and all the way out into some harbor. Thor reverts back into Jake. Kallark nearly kills him but Tarene shows up to stop Kallark. A disguised Enchantress drove a nearly dead Jake to find his hammer - if she was there he would've been dead. Kallark scuffles with Tarene, then decides to take her out, throws a water tower on her and hits super cold breath to freeze her and all the waters. Goes off to find Thor, Tarene later breaks free. Enchantress helps Jake get to his hammer, but then Gladiator slams right into him. They both had a rematch and some things happen in between (rescues airplane); Thor wins out in the end, Tarene attacks Gladiator in final time. Odin shows up, Gladiator's an his knees begging Odin that his son will soon commit great attrocities in the future - Odin acknowledges this and sends Gladiator back to the future.
And the difference is, Magneto frequently uses the iron in the blood attack - it's part of who he is. The speed blitz is something I very rarely see Gladiator do. It shows me that because he's just a guy with psionic powers that he'd have to access them in order to do his feats. That means his thinking speed is normal - he couldn't speed blitz Magneto like that in the beginning because their thinking speeds are identical. Gladiator and Magneto think to attack at the same time - Magneto's shields are up and he's sending a command to Gladiator's brain. By the time Gladiator starts pounding on Mags shields, it will have been too late - Gladiator might get a couple of shots in on the shields, but he'll already be mental toast.
Showed you.
Thor was able to break Celestial armor. He lifted the Midgard Serpent!!! That's plenty strong. His main power ain't his strength, that's true...because he's multi-dimensional. Didn't stop Magneto from handling him in their rematch.
Don't you mean Thor's hammer + Odin's power? Wasn't like he did it on his own.
Remember - Gladiator didn't do that to Cannonball right off the bat. He tried to restrain him at first, but Cannonball kept fighting back. He's the exact order of the fight:Gladiator grabs Cannonball and says, "I'm looking for the X-men", but not trying to hurt him.
Cannonball breaks free flies around Gladiator and sends him flying from the back, TAKING GLADIATOR BY SURPRISE (so much for superspeed).
Gladiator, once he gets his bearings, stops Cannonball in mid-air. Not trying to hurt him or anything. He then tells Cannonball to surrender before he hurts himself
Cannonball then grabs Gladiator and shifts momentum, sending them flying in the rubble below. Again, Gladiator is TOO SLOW to react.
It wasn't until he said, "I shall suffer this affront no further!" that he started physically attacking Cannonball, knowing full well that Cannonball could die from it. Was it a poor decision? Yes, but how often do we make regretful decisions out of rage in our lives? Pretty often.
Poorer than him killing Cannonball? 'Cause his mission was to "find the X-Men" because "he NEEDED them to go IN HIS STEAD" to "SAVE the EMPIRE."
Then he tells Cannonball: "To send a youth into such danger would be a lack of HONOR."
And what's the next issue titled? "Six Against the Galaxy." He was their to find the X-Men - not to kill Cannonball.
Frankly, Gladiator doesn't have much respect for the X-men. I'm reading this issue now and he refers to them as "mongrels". Surely killing one mongrel wouldn't mean much. Furthermore, it's not like he asked for the X-men's help...he basically teleported them without even waiting for an answer. That shows disdain, not respect.
He doesn't, but does that mean he'd kill a kid? Logic demigawd, logic. Please get some if you don't have 'em already.
GLADIATOR IS SHOCKED CANNONBALL IS ALIVE.I don't understand what more there is to be said about this fight.
So? You think that's not crappy writting? Gladiator ain't a cold blooded murderer. Do you even know who Gladiator is? In that same issue Gladiator says: "To send a youth into such danger would be a lack of HONOR."
Uh huh, I'll look into it. In the meantime, try taking some reading classes. Then re-read the issue.
I did. Now go get yourself some logic.
Originally posted by Beyonder
He speed blitz Ego at lightspeed while a band of Shi'Ar shipped attacked Ego - but Gladiator was more successful. He didn't win but he didn't lose. Ego couldn't do a thing to him, Surfer shows up and demands Gladiator leave Ego alone. They fight; they stalemated; both left with a mutual argument; Galactus was pissed; he was hoping for the Gladiator and the Shi'Ar to weaken Ego so as Galactus would come in at the last minute, destroy them, and consume a weakenned Ego.Reed used a device to amp up the FF and Thor's speed to 100X lightspeed to counter an effect that had slowed the Shi'Ar Empire to a crawl. Gladiator detected them and engaged Thor in battle. Thor only operated at 100X lightspeed do to Reed's device; Gladiator did it under his own power. And we both know Reed can come up with a lot of crazy devices.
He fought Wonder Man and kicked his butt easily. Masterson Thor (who was afraid to face Kallark at first) slams into Gladiator from behind. Kallark knocks that punk and sends him flying like a tennis, then moved right behind Masterson and pounds him in the back again. Gladiator demonated until Masterson used Mjlnornir to pull Avenger's member Living Lightning out of the sky and hit Gladiator by suprise, the Masterson hammered away (litterally) at a weakenned Gladiator. He won, but not without outside interference. Even then, they were afraid since him seemed like he was about to wake up. Masterson opens up a stargate in space, threw Kallark into it before he awoke.
In Across All Worlds, a future Gladiator is sent back to battle the real Thor again. Grabs a part of a building and throws it at Thor who smashes it, only to have Gladiator rush him at lightspeed and kick Mjlnornir out of Thor's hand and all the way out into some harbor. Thor reverts back into Jake. Kallark nearly kills him but Tarene shows up to stop Kallark. A disguised Enchantress drove a nearly dead Jake to find his hammer - if she was there he would've been dead. Kallark scuffles with Tarene, then decides to take her out, throws a water tower on her and hits super cold breath to freeze her and all the waters. Goes off to find Thor, Tarene later breaks free. Enchantress helps Jake get to his hammer, but then Gladiator slams right into him. They both had a rematch and some things happen in between (rescues airplane); Thor wins out in the end, Tarene attacks Gladiator in final time. Odin shows up, Gladiator's an his knees begging Odin that his son will soon commit great attrocities in the future - Odin acknowledges this and sends Gladiator back to the future.
Good research, I commend you. It definitely shows he has superspeed, but 1)"Lightspeed" or greater was only specifically mentioned in that one storyline and 2)It's all been the result of flying at superspeed, rather than combat at that speed. He flies someplace really fast and takes an action. It's similar to what he did against Cannonball, so it's consistent. But that doesn't shown heightened reaction time, or the ability to react before someone could think - that's why, even with his superspeed, Masterson was able to get the drop on Gladiator, as was Tarene and Cannonball and numerous other non-speedsters. If your reaction time was that fast, you'd sense them in the process of touching you and could instantly shift your momentum to avoid it. It would be impossible for someone to ever get the drop on you....but it's happened to Gladiator.
So to bring this topic that went way off course full circle - Gladiator's superspeed doesn't mean he can take action before Magneto can think - Gladiator's thinking and reaction times aren't shown to match his focused bursts of speed.
Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that Gladiator would put down Magneto before Magneto can think. Your own examples show otherwise. Your secondary argument is that Gladiator can penetrate Magneto's shields in one hit. Magneto's history has proven otherwise. Magneto's shields will certainly last the .5 seconds it would take to counter attack Gladiator and put him down permanently. Because the insta-blitz option is off the table, Magneto ultimately has far more weapons at his command, including two Gladiator is unusually vulnerable to - radiation and mind-control.
Showed you.
Indeed. Always nice to debate someone with a good command of facts and evidence. You talk a little trash, but not AC level, so it's all good.
Don't you mean Thor's hammer + Odin's power? Wasn't like he did it on his own.
Actually, that got retconned. It was originally Odin's power, but several years later, it was changed to a regular Thor godblast.
Poorer than him killing Cannonball? 'Cause his mission was to "find the X-Men" because "he NEEDED them to go IN HIS STEAD" to "SAVE the EMPIRE."Then he tells Cannonball: "To send a youth into such danger would be a lack of HONOR."
And what's the next issue titled? "Six Against the Galaxy." He was their to find the X-Men - not to kill Cannonball.
He doesn't, but does that mean he'd kill a kid? Logic demigawd, logic. Please get some if you don't have 'em already.
So? You think that's not crappy writting? Gladiator ain't a cold blooded murderer. Do you even know who Gladiator is? In that same issue Gladiator says: "To send a youth into such danger would be a lack of HONOR."
All of these quotes are all well and good. But the bottom line here is that Gladiator is SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive. Gladiator wouldn't be SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive if he wasn't trying to kill him, yes or no? Why, you ask?
Because it's logical.
😛
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't get it. If Gladiator can beat anyone, then why does he need X-Men to help them? For that matter, why has the Shi'ar ever needed anyone else if Gladiator is all that?
I don't have the other issues that followed this. However, it's a comic book and it's a X-title as well. Crazy things happen when it should: Wolverine taking out Exodus or even standing up to Hulk, Spiderman beating Firelord.
There might be a good reason for this; the next issue deals with the Empire over runned by the Phalanx. My guess is that the Phalanx have trouble asymulating mutants; hence, the X-Men are more suited to fight the Phalanx. Just a guess.
Originally posted by demigawd
Ah, the speed attack. I suppose anything is possible. But given that Gladiator isn't prone to just charging at someone at lightspeed in the beginning of a fight, I usually disregard that. Either way, he'll likely kill himself charging like that at a forcefield. If he survives that, Gladiator will be like, "Huh? Impossible!". While doubting himself, a blackhole opens and sucks Gladiator in, dumping him into the nearest (or farthest) sun.
A black hole doesn't have an "exit". It is an immensely small, incredibly dense compression of an enormous amount of matter that has collapsed upon itself, creating an irresistible gravitational pull.
Gladiator would be killed when his body is ripped apart as he is being pulled into the black hole, becoming a part of it. No getting "dumped" anywhere.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
A black hole doesn't have an "exit". It is an immensely small, incredibly dense compression of an enormous amount of matter that has collapsed upon itself, creating an irresistible gravitational pull.Gladiator would be killed when his body is ripped apart as he is being pulled into the black hole, becoming a part of it. No getting "dumped" anywhere.
well a blackhole should suck Magneto also no??
that's it's not blackhole , it;s black shit.
and Gladiator can escape a blackhole. 🙄
Originally posted by savagerampage
gladiator cant escape a blackhole nothing can. sides magneto is the one creating a blackhole,im sure he is more then able to control it.
Just your assumption. If anyone's going to be sucked in, it's Magneto. Gladiator's still faster and stronger than Magneto.
Good research, I commend you. It definitely shows he has superspeed, but 1)"Lightspeed" or greater was only specifically mentioned in that one storyline and 2)It's all been the result of flying at superspeed, rather than combat at that speed. He flies someplace really fast and takes an action. It's similar to what he did against Cannonball, so it's consistent.
Oh please, aren't you the one who tried to argue that Magneto's fast enough to react to lightspeed since he's able to block Cyclops' optic beam (the optic beam being lightspeed).
Gladiator speedblitz Ego; he pounded Masterson and flew behind him and slugged him again. Masterson was getting his ass kicked. The only time he got a dropped on Kallark was when Gladiator was standing talking down to him - Masterson used Mjlnornir to pull Avenger's Living Lightning to hit Gladiator. How could he react to something that's behind him? Are you saying Gladiator had eyes in the back of his head and saw LL? Masteron beat Gladiator down only after LL had stunned him.
But that doesn't shown heightened reaction time, or the ability to react before someone could think - that's why, even with his superspeed, Masterson was able to get the drop on Gladiator, as was Tarene and Cannonball and numerous other non-speedsters.
It doesn't take much to slam into Magneto at lightspeed. Who needs to fight Magneto at lightspeed at all when all you need is to slam you above Class 100 strength self at lightspeed at Magneto. And all that requires is velocity + lightspeed flight, which Kallark can easily do. He did that against Ego, hitting the planet numerous times.
If your reaction time was that fast, you'd sense them in the process of touching you and could instantly shift your momentum to avoid it. It would be impossible for someone to ever get the drop on you....but it's happened to Gladiator.
? Yeah, speedsters have been tag before. That doesn't mean they don't have lightspeed reaction. Quick Silver complains about how the world moves at such a slow pace for it; how it bores him because of so. He's fricken fast and has done things that require reactions just as fast. Flash and Superman can do the same sh!t. Furthermore, they can operate at normal levels. Superman, Flash, Quick Silver, and Gladiator have done things and reacted at lightspeed before. I don't see what you trying to argue cause they've all been tagged.
So to bring this topic that went way off course full circle - Gladiator's superspeed doesn't mean he can take action before Magneto can think - Gladiator's thinking and reaction times aren't shown to match his focused bursts of speed.
? It doesn't take much for him to slam into Magneto and break Magnus force field.
Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that Gladiator would put down Magneto before Magneto can think. Your own examples show otherwise.
What? That Gladiator has fought at superspeed?
Your secondary argument is that Gladiator can penetrate Magneto's shields in one hit. Magneto's history has proven otherwise. Magneto's shields will certainly last the .5 seconds it would take to counter attack Gladiator and put him down permanently.
Proven? From what? Did Thor hit Magneto with Class 100 at lightspeed? Thor ain't even as fast as Quick Silver. So Thor's hit ain't on Gladiator's level. When Thor smashes a planet with his hammer or fist - then come back and talk to me.
Because the insta-blitz option is off the table, Magneto ultimately has far more weapons at his command, including two Gladiator is unusually vulnerable to - radiation and mind-control.
When has Gladiator been vulnerable to mind-control? Radiation? How's Magneto going to do that? Now your just making things up. You don't even know if Magneto can even mind control an alien. And speedblitz isn't off the table. Where you got this idea I can only speculate it come from the same place you got your other nutty ideas.
Actually, that got retconned. It was originally Odin's power, but several years later, it was changed to a regular Thor godblast.
When was that? And Thor's godblast doesn't prove he has the strength to smash a planet. And when Thor pulls out a godblast on Magneto and Erik's shields hold - then you'd have an argument.
All of these quotes are all well and good. But the bottom line here is that Gladiator is SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive. Gladiator wouldn't be SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive if he wasn't trying to kill him, yes or no? Why, you ask?Because it's logical.
😆...because we all know Gladiator is a killer. That was crapping writing right there. In the same issue, moments later he held Cannonball back because he didn't want Sam wondering into such danger.
"gladiator cant escape a blackhole nothing can"
In the galactus the devourer limited series the silver surfer escaped a black hole.
Also cyclops optic blasts dont travel at lightspeed. They are beams of pure force and travel at nowhere near lightspeed. Those facts hav always been made quite clear in the comics
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Good research, I commend you. It definitely shows he has superspeed, but 1)"Lightspeed" or greater was only specifically mentioned in that one storyline and 2)It's all been the result of flying at superspeed, rather than combat at that speed. He flies someplace really fast and takes an action. It's similar to what he did against Cannonball, so it's consistent.Gladiator speedblitz Ego; he pounded Masterson and flew behind him and slugged him again. Masterson was getting his ass kicked.
Yes, but it never said anything about this happening at lightspeed. Just that he did it really fast. We have no idea how fast that is...Masterson is just a human, ANYTHING could be too fast for him. And none of this shows Gladiator's ability to act before someone can think. It also shows that Gladiator's own reaction ability is questionable. Cannonball blasted away and behind him before Gladiator could react. He did it AGAIN, when he shifted momentum, driving Gladiator to the ground. Gambit outmaneuvered Gladiator, slipping between his legs and throwing his cape over his head. This isn't the work of someone with superhuman reaction time.
So my original point still stands.
It makes sense, actually - Gladiator's powers are psionic. Without them, he has none of these powers. He *activates* superspeed psionically, just as strength, flight, invulnerability, etc are all functions of conscious effort. In the time it would take for Gladiator to psionically tell himself to speedblitz Magneto, Magneto would tell Gladiator to punch himself to death instead.
The only time he got a dropped on Kallark was when Gladiator was standing talking down to him - Masterson used Mjlnornir to pull Avenger's Living Lightning to hit Gladiator. How could he react to something that's behind him? Are you saying Gladiator had eyes in the back of his head and saw LL? Masteron beat Gladiator down only after LL had stunned him.
Tsk, tsk...I thought you might be aware of the six human senses, since they cover it in science schoolbooks - Sight, smell, taste, hearing, touch and orientation. Perhaps you only read the older editions that defined five senses. Pay attention to the last one...it's the one that allows you to feel when somebody is approaching behind you. It's orientation. If Gladiator had superhuman reaction time, he would have used his sense of orientation to see that someone was closing in behind him and he would have gotten out of the way.
It doesn't take much to slam into Magneto at lightspeed. Who needs to fight Magneto at lightspeed at all when all you need is to slam you above Class 100 strength self at lightspeed at Magneto. And all that requires is velocity + lightspeed flight, which Kallark can easily do. He did that against Ego, hitting the planet numerous times.
There's another point to this - flying at lightspeed towards an opponent on a set battlefield won't make much of a difference anyway. The difference in speed between light, sound, and 1000MPH over a distance of mere meters is negligible. Quicksilver, Flash, Surfer and Gladiator would run one mile at basically the same time. In close quarters, lightspeed isn't all that useful. If Magneto could react to Quicksilver and Northstar, there's no reason he couldn't react to Gladiator in the same space.
Additionally, the velocity and momentum generated from running at lightspeed in close quarters is also meaningless. Gladiator won't get any additional pop from a lightspeed attack unless he starts from hundreds of miles away. And I don't buy for a second your ridiculous little notion that Gladiator could do more damage to Magneto's shield in half a second than Thor could do after pounding over and over or GALACTUS was able to do with a blast. Remember, since Magneto's shield has never been broken, we don't know the upper limit of its tolerance. He was able to restrain the HULK indefinitely with a forcefield. It took the combined efforts of Hulk, Strange, Namor and Xavier to disable it...and that was only because Magneto was miles away doing something else and wasn't maintaining it. I seriously doubt Gladiator could do better than people like that in half a second. And remember, half a second is all Gladiator would have before Magneto just shuts down his mind or radiates him.
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Your entire argument is predicated on the notion that Gladiator would put down Magneto before Magneto can think. Your own examples show otherwise.What? That Gladiator has fought at superspeed?
No, that Gladiator has been out-reacted by people without superspeed.
quote:Your secondary argument is that Gladiator can penetrate Magneto's shields in one hit. Magneto's history has proven otherwise. Magneto's shields will certainly last the .5 seconds it would take to counter attack Gladiator and put him down permanently.
Proven? From what? Did Thor hit Magneto with Class 100 at lightspeed? Thor ain't even as fast as Quick Silver. So Thor's hit ain't on Gladiator's level. When Thor smashes a planet with his hammer or fist - then come back and talk to me.
In JIM, Thor was able, with one blow, to smash a planet to its core, exposing the core and causing volcanoes to ignite. That's AT LEAST on the same level of Gladiator hitting Ego. Did Gladiator smash Ego to his core in one blow? Nope. And Ego is small, by planetary standards. So yes, their strength is comparable, and most would agree that Thor is stronger.
Didn't help him against Magneto, though.
quote:Because the insta-blitz option is off the table, Magneto ultimately has far more weapons at his command, including two Gladiator is unusually vulnerable to - radiation and mind-control.
When has Gladiator been vulnerable to mind-control?
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See, I'm sorry, I guess I was arguing under the assumption that you read anything with Gladiator in it. My mistake. If you had, you'd know that Gladiator gets mind-controlled like a punk...OFTEN. He's been mind-controlled by Skrulls, mind-controlled by Xavier, mind-controlled by Cassandra Nova, etc.. He's PRONE to it.
Radiation? How's Magneto going to do that?
um...the man controls electromagnetic energy. electromagnetic energy includes all energy across that spectrum - including several types of radiation. That was how he was able to put down the Hulk and how he was able to break out of a plastic prison - he melted it with microwaves. He created X-rays to create an on-the-fly MRI of Shola.
Now your just making things up.
Examples above say otherwise.
You don't even know if Magneto can even mind control an alien.
He's a humanoid who's been mind-controlled several times in the past. Absolutely no reason why he couldn't.
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All of these quotes are all well and good. But the bottom line here is that Gladiator is SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive. Gladiator wouldn't be SHOCKED that Cannonball is alive if he wasn't trying to kill him, yes or no? Why, you ask?Because it's logical.
...because we all know Gladiator is a killer. That was crapping writing right there. In the same issue, moments later he held Cannonball back because he didn't want Sam wondering into such danger.
So you alternate between explaining away how I misread the issue and calling it crappy writing, huh? Well, let's clear up the first...I didn't misread the issue or misinterpret anything. Gladiator CLEARLY tried to kill Cannonball and failed. The quote, "Impossible! That was my most powerful blow. And yet...you live?" MUST put any doubt about that to rest. As for the second - you can selectively dismiss showings you don't like as crappy writing if you want to. You do that with Gladiator trying to kill Cannonball and getting punked for his efforts, and I'll do that with Gladiator fighting at 100 times the speed of light. See how that works? Nice and simple...
Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, but it never said anything about this happening at lightspeed. Just that he did it really fast. We have no idea how fast that is...Masterson is just a human, ANYTHING could be too fast for him. And none of this shows Gladiator's ability to act before someone can think. It also shows that Gladiator's own reaction ability is questionable.
And Magneto is a human? Masterson had Thor's powers.
It makes sense, actually - Gladiator's powers are psionic. Without them, he has none of these powers. He *activates* superspeed psionically, just as strength, flight, invulnerability, etc are all functions of conscious effort. In the time it would take for Gladiator to psionically tell himself to speedblitz Magneto, Magneto would tell Gladiator to punch himself to death instead.
? Based on what? Both think, Gladiator would slam into him before Magneto can even try something like that, not saying that Magnus would be able to.
Tsk, tsk...I thought you might be aware of the six human senses, since they cover it in science schoolbooks - Sight, smell, taste, hearing, touch and orientation. Perhaps you only read the older editions that defined five senses. Pay attention to the last one...it's the one that allows you to feel when somebody is approaching behind you. It's orientation. If Gladiator had superhuman reaction time, he would have used his sense of orientation to see that someone was closing in behind him and he would have gotten out of the way.
Yeah, and how many times have you seen Superman aware of his surroundings and react to it? That still does mean he can operate at lightspeed. Flash, Quick Silver, and Gladiator all the same. Orientation? Bwahahaha, maybe you should to that to the writters 'cause they obviously had the "old edition." Otherwise, why would speedster get tagged? Especially beings with super sense like Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Supreme, etc. should have this. Yet, how many have detect people with this sixth sense you bring up? They detected people - but with their other super sense. So guess what? They don't have orientation as a sense - the writters don't take that into account.
Surfer has Cosmic Awareness, he's been tagged before. What's your point? It doesn't mean any of them can't operate at super speed level.
Additionally, the velocity and momentum generated from running at lightspeed in close quarters is also meaningless. Gladiator won't get any additional pop from a lightspeed attack unless he starts from hundreds of miles away. And I don't buy for a second your ridiculous little notion that Gladiator could do more damage to Magneto's shield in half a second than Thor could do after pounding over and over or GALACTUS was able to do with a blast. Remember, since Magneto's shield has never been broken, we don't know the upper limit of its tolerance. He was able to restrain the HULK indefinitely with a forcefield. It took the combined efforts of Hulk, Strange, Namor and Xavier to disable it...and that was only because Magneto was miles away doing something else and wasn't maintaining it. I seriously doubt Gladiator could do better than people like that in half a second. And remember, half a second is all Gladiator would have before Magneto just shuts down his mind or radiates him.
?Neither Hulk nor Namor is as strong as Gladiator. Just cause his shield has never been broke - it doesn't mean it can't. Why are you assuming Gladiator's strength is just on Hulk or Thor's level?
No, that Gladiator has been out-reacted by people without superspeed.
So has every other speedster. Doesn't mean they can't operate at superspeed level?
In JIM, Thor was able, with one blow, to smash a planet to its core, exposing the core and causing volcanoes to ignite. That's AT LEAST on the same level of Gladiator hitting Ego. Did Gladiator smash Ego to his core in one blow? Nope. And Ego is small, by planetary standards. So yes, their strength is comparable, and most would agree that Thor is stronger.Didn't help him against Magneto, though.
Um, that's nice. Now give me an issue number.
Ego is small? Where'd you get that? He did smash Ego to pieces, he smashed a small planet to pieces.
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See, I'm sorry, I guess I was arguing under the assumption that you read anything with Gladiator in it. My mistake. If you had, you'd know that Gladiator gets mind-controlled like a punk...OFTEN. He's been mind-controlled by Skrulls, mind-controlled by Xavier, mind-controlled by Cassandra Nova, etc.. He's PRONE to it.
Um, that's nice. Now how's about when? Skrulls? What did the Skrull's use? The Skrull has an entire Empire; there tech is as advance as anybody. Xavier and Cassandra Nova, so Magneto is a telepath now is he? Or can control on the level or Xavier or Cassandra.
um...the man controls electromagnetic energy. electromagnetic energy includes all energy across that spectrum - including several types of radiation. That was how he was able to put down the Hulk and how he was able to break out of a plastic prison - he melted it with microwaves. He created X-rays to create an on-the-fly MRI of Shola.
Hahahahaha, electromagnetism. So now Magneto can create radiation? And the specific kind of radiation that Gladiator is weak too? And probably in less the time it takes for Gladiator to move at lightspeed or the blast from Cyclyops visor.
So you alternate between explaining away how I misread the issue and calling it crappy writing, huh? Well, let's clear up the first...I didn't misread the issue or misinterpret anything. Gladiator CLEARLY tried to kill Cannonball and failed. The quote, "Impossible! That was my most powerful blow. And yet...you live?" MUST put any doubt about that to rest. As for the second - you can selectively dismiss showings you don't like as crappy writing if you want to. You do that with Gladiator trying to kill Cannonball and getting punked for his efforts, and I'll do that with Gladiator fighting at 100 times the speed of light. See how that works? Nice and simple...
Nope, just the part where he tried to kill Cannonball. Magneto is more of a cold blooded murderer than Gladiator. His mission wasn't to kill Cannonball and wasn't even trying his best, but all of a sudden he gets pissed and tries to kill Cannonball?
Cannonball blasted away and behind him before Gladiator could react. He did it AGAIN, when he shifted momentum, driving Gladiator to the ground. Gambit outmaneuvered Gladiator, slipping between his legs and throwing his cape over his head. This isn't the work of someone with superhuman reaction time.
There's another point to this - flying at lightspeed towards an opponent on a set battlefield won't make much of a difference anyway. The difference in speed between light, sound, and 1000MPH over a distance of mere meters is negligible. Quicksilver, Flash, Surfer and Gladiator would run one mile at basically the same time. In close quarters, lightspeed isn't all that useful. If Magneto could react to Quicksilver and Northstar, there's no reason he couldn't react to Gladiator in the same space.
I guess that's not fast at all. 😱