All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

You completly forget about this nice little weapon called the Death Star.

Maybe the Star Trek ships are more powerful but if the two faced then SW would have the Death Star and it would be populated with powerful force users, nobody could take that thing and it would blow up every ST has...

Not to mention SW has people that play tennis with stars for fun... There is just no way you can say this will go either way. I'm all in favour of a good debate, but there can't be one here.. The force alone is enough... Not to mention the pure size of the SW fleets... Sorry dude but I would still say the same thing if this was an ST forum...

SW can not lose

I dont think the Star Destroyer would be able to target the ST ships due to their manuverability. I am sure some would get destroyed... but eventually the Death Star would fall to a massive barrage of quantum torpedos or phaser cannons...

You also cant mix up timelines. By the time the death star came to be there were only four known force users... Emperor, Vader, Yoda, and good ol Ben.

Plus look at the DS9 series... the fleets they used against the Dominon were huge. One fleet was hundreds of ships, ONE fleet. Throw in the Klingons, Romulans, Dominon, Borg, Kazons, and all the rest and now you have thousands.

Okay, you want to talk planet/system killers - GENESIS Torpedo. ST has planet killers too.

People also keep bringing up the Jedi/Sith. Thats a big part of the SW univers and depending on the era there could be thousands or just a few... The ST universe has its mentally skilled people as well. How many times did Kirk get stuck on a planet because a force of pure energy willed him there... How many times did Q screw things up for Picard. There are plenty examples of forces in the ST universe that would give a great challenge to the Jedi/Sith.

The sheer size of the SW ships really does not make much of a difference either. In "First Contact" it took just a few ships to take out the Borg Cube... a gang bang like that could easily handle a Star Destroyer or bigger.

But again your comparing apples and oranges. Do we even know if a turbo laser or Ion canon can hurt a ST ships shields? Do we know if a phaser can penetrate the armor plating of a Star Destroyer?

Someone should start a think tank and develop an RPG SW vs ST and actually do a technology comparison and write out all the stats... It would be interesting to see.

All of Star Wars... All of it, history present and future... So yes i can very well bring all those guys in and I will. The Death star with those guys can not be conquered...

Also your forgetting Luke 😛

And yes i know we are, but seeing as we don't have a lot to go at we can either assume the Star Trek weapons are incredibly powerful or that their ships are incredibly weak.

And landing on a planet and managing to get off, can hardly compare to throwing a star at your enemy...

StarWars wil win,period.

Wow... I know this is a SW forum but this is a pretty closed minded debate... "I win cause I said so" does not cut it...

and you can have the death star and all the jedi... unless you are going to throw in time trave. They never existed at the same time so you cant say that I have the death star and all the jedi. Does not work like that.

As far as the technology goes... you dont see Star Wars ships powered by artificial quantum singularities...

Or how about the Star Ship Pegasis with its phased cloakind device... just phase into the Death Star core and quantum torpedo the hell out of the reactor... then phase right out.

Otaku Sith... there is no "PERIOD" its not that cut and dry no matter how you look at it.

The thread says ALL of.. ALL, its just all, meaning all the Jedi and all the Sith..

And yes its pretty easy to see this. A few people that can throw stars along with great generals greater troop size a space station that can destroy planets when ever it wants. Weapon plants that produce ships faster then you can inhale and exhale, oh and did i mention the people that throw stars at ships already?

TRS is also forgetting the very powerful ION Cannon, drop ST's sheilds, and then they die. And don't forget about the Yuzhaan Vong. They can drop shields and bore molten rock right into those ships. And besides TRS, go get the Star Trek encyclopedia and the Star Wars Guide to Vehicles and Vessels. An Imperial Star Destroyer is 3 times the size of the 1701-D...So I'm gonna say ST gets owned on ship to ship combat right there. And as Fishy just pointed out...it is ALL of Star Wars, do you have any idea what that means? THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF JEDI KNIGHTS! So there WOULD be many powerful force users available on every ship to handle your teleported boarding parties. And again, they have nothing for the Death Star. Oh wait, they have that circular borg ship that looks remarkably LIKE the Death Star...but it has crap for weaponry in comparisson. Dude, there's just no way, not with ALL of Star Wars. And a team of Jedi on a ship, doing battle meditation so that they'd know what ST was going to do before they do...c'mon! What are they gonna do to that?

How about those unsettling subspace beings?

Originally posted by shaber
How about those unsettling subspace beings?

Do they throw stars at ships? If not they are not really important

sorry to double post, but I just remembered something else TRS needs to understand: The lasers in SW are not the same lasers in the ST universe, the STU lasers are like what we have on earth, highly focused light beams. In SW, they aren't actualy beams of light. Its highly explosive Tibanna gas (which is what Lando was mining, that's what they were talking about when they were "gas mining"😉 which is joined with a bolt of "energy" which isn't defined as far as its origins. But the Turbo Lasers of Star Wars would very much penetrate the shields of Star Trek ships, because they aren't beams of light.

Okay okay... but just like the SW video games... people use the Jedi/Sith like B**ches. Dont get me wrong... The Force is totally awesome... and so are the Jedi... but if you are going to use ALL of the 10000 years of Jedi against 300 years of ST then I am just going to get Q to snap his fingers and you all dissappear. Snap! your dead. No force powers can stop that. You gonna throw a star at me... okay Snap! no more star.

We can go back and forth and back and forth but you people just dont hear me...

We got the Death Star... Okay so you take all three Death Stars... Now I have three ST ships equiped with phased cloaking devices and have a hoard of ST telepaths onboard each one to block any detecting Jedi senses... Now I just phased into your core and blew it up with quantum torpedos... Since I am phased, the explosion does not affect me.

I can banter all day with you guys... Everything you throw at me I can find a way to counter it... cause unless the creators of Star Wars and the creators of Star Trek sit down and write out a detailed comparison of technologies and mental powers there is just no way to say who would win. Who knows... Maybe a phaser is so powerful compaired to SW technology that it can cut right through a Star Destroyer. Who cares how big the ships are. Hell the Falcon destroyed a Star Destoryer so I dont think you can say that just cause SW ships are bigger they would dominate ST ships.

Star Treks Borg Cube is bad *ss but think about those ships the enterprise is truly crap star wars has STAR DESTROYERS they are made to destroy fellts of enemy ships. Light Saber would destroy phasers. HK-47 would crush Dr. Bones Mccoy. Yoda vs. Spock how well can speack hold his own against yoda. Worf probably would kick the SH*T out of Chewbacca but Vader would force choke every body on the enterprize

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
sorry to double post, but I just remembered something else TRS needs to understand: The lasers in SW are not the same lasers in the ST universe, the STU lasers are like what we have on earth, highly focused light beams. In SW, they aren't actualy beams of light. Its highly explosive Tibanna gas (which is what Lando was mining, that's what they were talking about when they were "gas mining"😉 which is joined with a bolt of "energy" which isn't defined as far as its origins. But the Turbo Lasers of Star Wars would very much penetrate the shields of Star Trek ships, because they aren't beams of light.

So the SW lasers are really just projected gas... Well if ST shields can deflect solid matter, radiation, gasses from nebulas, charged plasma, and all different sorts of energy weapons I think they can handle a little charged gas.

its still a hardened beam of energy, the gas just helps its detonation on impact. And who's to say phasers can even penetrate SW shields or hulls?

Originally posted by TRSundown
Okay okay... but just like the SW video games... people use the Jedi/Sith like B**ches. Dont get me wrong... The Force is totally awesome... and so are the Jedi... but if you are going to use ALL of the 10000 years of Jedi against 300 years of ST then I am just going to get Q to snap his fingers and you all dissappear. Snap! your dead. No force powers can stop that. You gonna throw a star at me... okay Snap! no more star.

We can go back and forth and back and forth but you people just dont hear me...

We got the Death Star... Okay so you take all three Death Stars... Now I have three ST ships equiped with phased cloaking devices and have a hoard of ST telepaths onboard each one to block any detecting Jedi senses... Now I just phased into your core and blew it up with quantum torpedos... Since I am phased, the explosion does not affect me.

I can banter all day with you guys... Everything you throw at me I can find a way to counter it... cause unless the creators of Star Wars and the creators of Star Trek sit down and write out a detailed comparison of technologies and mental powers there is just no way to say who would win. Who knows... Maybe a phaser is so powerful compaired to SW technology that it can cut right through a Star Destroyer. Who cares how big the ships are. Hell the Falcon destroyed a Star Destoryer so I dont think you can say that just cause SW ships are bigger they would dominate ST ships.

Okay but the thread already established NO Q. So ST is still royally owned. I'm not saying its fair or anything, but those are the rules of the thread: ALL the millenia of SW vs. all 300 yrs of ST. So yeah, ST is gonna lose based on that. And telepathy is igsignificant in comparisson to the Force. Telepathy comes from one persons brain, the Force is in everything.

And this is just supposed to be fun, obviously there aren't enough real details to compare. Its all made up. That being said: millenia of jedi and tech vs 300 years? c'mon. ST is soooo dead.

Well okay... if you put it that way... Dude Picard is so screwed. No more pretty girls for Kirk. Your right. Under the guidelines established for this thread ST would have their @$$ handed to them... but then again. Why balance the odds in favor of SW unless you are afraid of loosing. And your right... it is for fun...

There is an episode of ST where Worf keeps skipping between alternate parallel universes. Then all the parallel universes start pooring into one. One of the Enterprises that pops in comes from a universe that is dominated by the Borg and they are like the last ship left... I bet somewhere in all those ships sat an Enterprise that came from the SW universe described here and they to were having their butts handed to them.

I guess its game over ST.

we could make it more fair: 300 years of star wars starting with books just past the NJO and then back 300 years. SW would then have ALL the Yuzhann Vong (who would have a field day killing borg since they hate technology and almost wiped out the SW galaxy on their own because all the weaponry and ships are built to COUNTER technology. So that's an ass whuppin' waitin' to happen. Then SW would have all of the Jedi Knights from the NJO, the PT and before that by two hundred years. That would also include Yoda, Mace Windu, Luke, Vader, Sidious, Maul and Dooku. Then the entire Rebel forces, Imperial Forces, New Repbulic Forces, Old Republic Forces, Separatist Forces (with all those millions of droids). So this would include two death stars, a prototype death star, the sun crusher which can go around shutting down whole star systems in ST by simply flying through them, Tons of HUGE capital star ships like the Executor and the Eclipse (the Emperor's MASSIVE personal star destroyer). Then there are all the bounty hunters guilds, mercenaries, even in just 300 years, the SWU STILL has enough to take out the entire run of ST. The SWU is just too dense for ST to handle. There to many things for ST to shoot at and too many things shooting at them. They're out numbered, out gunned, out "spiritualized" even when you evenly give them both 300 yrs of history.

Okay... 300 Years vs 300 Years... I could argu this but there really is no point. No one here is going to say that ST technology can take on SW technology, Quantum Singularities or not... No one is going to say that the mental powers of the races in ST can match the Force... Its a biased argument despite my attempts at making the diferent universes more level. And I just dont have the time to type out the LONG argument that I could put up.

Someone really needs to level the playing field and design an RPG about this...

Some friends of mine and I started an online RPG where a fleet from the Robotech universe folded space into the SW universe. Neither side would ever let their technology fall to the other side. Everyone wanted to have the best stuff... So it really does no good to do these kind of comparisons no matter how fun they are.

THe funny thing is that I really like both, though I like Star Wars better. I have to say that with the jedi, Star Wars will win.

I know that Force users rock... I actually like SW better than ST... but I think everyone is forgetting all the different aliens in the ST universe... Forget Q cause like I said before... "snap" your dead. I cant remember how many times the Enterprise, DS9, or Voyager encountered super human beings with super powers... How about the Prophets, the Paw Wraths...

I just cant see how it would be such a cut and dry victory for the SW universe. Sure... Maybe SW would win in the long run but it would be one hell of a fight. And thats a big maybe.