All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

So how would you counter pushing a Borg multi kinetic neutronic mine through the Iconian gateway which is instant travel to anywhere in the galaxy?

Easy, they don't know the coordinates to any of SW space, so they can only shoot blind. Plus SW is massive. They'll need a ****ton load of those things.

How does SW stop the Krenim timeship when I've proven that it can't be by any weapons that SW has?

No Krenim timeship. Imma puttin' ma foot down.

Yet a point blank turbolaser shot against an unshielded gun battery in the battle of Corascant only managed to to flip over a gun battery and throw a few troops a few feet across the room.

Presumably turbolasers lack in outwards kinetic force. Instead of exploding they're more refined into pure energy if I had to guess. Or its another case of Lucas just plain ****ing up.

The kremin time ship wouldn't have enough fuel to get anywhere near a major Star Wars planet.

Easy, they don't know the coordinates to any of SW space, so they can only shoot blind. Plus SW is massive. They'll need a ****ton load of those things.

The Iconian gateway can auto acquire moving targets (hence the reason one the things seen through the gateway is the bridge of the enterprise D)

If you insist on using that argument though then the same can be applied to the galaxy gun.

No Krenim timeship. Imma puttin' ma foot down.

Pick your toys up.

Presumably turbolasers lack in outwards kinetic force. Instead of exploding they're more refined into pure energy if I had to guess. Or its another case of Lucas just plain ****ing up.

My guess would be the latter. I've never understood writing tech manuals for weapons and then showing them to cause nowhere near the level of damage that the supposed yields would really do.

If a SD could fire at the gigaton range then by all accounts it should one shot a planet as it would be to the levels of all of earth current nuclear weapons being detonated at once...Yet all it does is throw a few gunners across a room and cause their gun to break.

Same obviously applies to ST weapons too.

Maybe trying to use a transporter to move the red matter would have been dangerous.

True. I forget how it was used by the jellyfish ship (as this would be it's proper method of deployment I would presume). I'll need to rewatch the new film.

Either way, Star Trek superweapons require a deliverance vessels that can be stopped. Many of Star War's superweapons can be fired from accross the galaxy.

Many of them now is it?...I thought it was only the galaxy gun.

Like I said...Deploying weapons via the iconian gateway or folded space transporters would be vastly quicker than hyperdrive weapons anyway.

A centerpoint station attack on Earth would have an almost 100 percent chance of success. A red matter attempt on Earth would have a very small chance of success.

Yet Centerpoint station can be and was destroyed by external forces...The Krenim timeship cannot.

@Jaden101:

Did you just claim that 200 gigatons should be able to one shot a planet? 😂

Centerpoint is practically immune to damage; it was only destroyed due to it firing on itself.

Centerpoint station can blow up or move Star Trek and Star Wars planets at will and Star Trek won't be able to do anything to stop it except for surrender. If Centerpoint station has a recharge rate of a day (a reasonable estimation given the recharge rates of other superweapons), then within a year the entire Federation would be completely destroyed.

In contrast, even if that red matter weapon had a 100% success rate (which even you'd admit isn't true, since the deliverance vessel can still be stopped), and they were able to make new red matter every 1 day (which is highly unlikely to happen), they'd still take hundreds of years to destroy Star Wars since Star Wars has a LOT of inhabited planets (as in several million).

Also, you still haven't given proof that any other Star Trek race other than the borg and species 8472 have MASS PRODUCED transwarp. Unless if you do, the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, Dominion and other pre transwarp civilizations are non factors.

You still haven't cited your source for the over 600 gigaton claim. Unless if you do and your claim turns out to be valid and not a twisting of facts, Star Trek ships could fire at shielded Star Wars star destroyers for weeks and not do any damage.

You still haven't proven that the borg can adapt to Star Wars technology. Unless if you do, the borg get beaten too, although they may put up more of a fight than some of the other races.

Did you just claim that 200 gigatons should be able to one shot a planet? laughing out loud

200 gigatons = 200,000 megatons which is more than the entire yield of all the worlds nuclear weapons combined which themselves are capable of destroying everything on the surface of the earth 3 times over...So yes...a 200 gigaton shot should be able to destroy all life on a planet in a single shot...Yet it can apparently barely damage an unshielded hanger deck on an SW ship.

Centerpoint is practically immune to damage; it was only destroyed due to it firing on itself.

Is there a difference between practically immune to damage (centerpoint station) and completely immune to damage (Krenim time ship)...Why yes...I believe there is.

Centerpoint station can blow up or move Star Trek and Star Wars planets at will and Star Trek won't be able to do anything to stop it except for surrender. If Centerpoint station has a recharge rate of a day (a reasonable estimation given the recharge rates of other superweapons), then within a year the entire Federation would be completely destroyed.

The Federation has thousands of colonized planets...So either your calculations are wrong or you have no clue about ST...or both...I'm guessing (knowing) it's the latter option.

In contrast, even if that red matter weapon had a 100% success rate (which even you'd admit isn't true, since the deliverance vessel can still be stopped), and they were able to make new red matter every 1 day (which is highly unlikely to happen), they'd still take hundreds of years to destroy Star Wars since Star Wars has a LOT of inhabited planets (as in several million).

You do realise that both the galaxies are equal in size yet there is the same number of worlds in Borg space alone (quoted from a Voyager episode) as there is in the entire SW galaxy...So it would be safe to say that ST has the planetary numbers sown up.

Also, you still haven't given proof that any other Star Trek race other than the borg and species 8472 have MASS PRODUCED transwarp. Unless if you do, the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, Dominion and other pre transwarp civilizations are non factors.

Except that I have...I've given the names of the species...Your continuing to deny it is petty childish trolling and EXACTLY THE SAME THING HWKA DID.

You still haven't cited your source for the over 600 gigaton claim. Unless if you do and your claim turns out to be valid and not a twisting of facts, Star Trek ships could fire at shielded Star Wars star destroyers for weeks and not do any damage.

I posted a link and I used quoted masses from ST for a mark II photon torpedo's (which can utilise over 200kg of matter/antimatter in a reaction) which gives off a yield (using real world physics) of over 600 gigatons....That's a relatively weak photon torpedo (which the Borg adapted to and remained undamaged from after a single encounter with the Enterprise D) which are several times weaker than quantum torpedoes (Which the Borg also adapted to after only 2 known encounters in TNG and First Contact) which are weaker still compared with transphasic torpedoes. (which the Borg weren't shown to adapt to merely because they were only used in the last scenes of the last episode shown in the ST timeline (Voyager Endgame)

You still haven't proven that the borg can adapt to Star Wars technology. Unless if you do, the borg get beaten too, although they may put up more of a fight than some of the other races.

So I've shown the the Borg adapt to technology and biology in many different ways and even given examples of them doing this yet you're still claiming I've stated the the Borg rely solely on adapting to frequencies in order to assimilate technology.

So basically you're a liar and troll and simply ignoring anything that proves you wrong?...Which...guess what?....IS EXACTLY WHAT HWKA USED TO DO....SHOCKAROONI.

200 gigatons = 200,000 megatons which is more than the entire yield of all the worlds nuclear weapons combined which themselves are capable of destroying everything on the surface of the earth 3 times over...So yes...a 200 gigaton shot should be able to destroy all life on a planet in a single shot...Yet it can apparently barely damage an unshielded hanger deck on an SW ship.

Yeah, but thats concentrated into a single blast. Something to consider.

Is there a difference between practically immune to damage (centerpoint station) and completely immune to damage (Krenim time ship)...Why yes...I believe there is.

Which is why the Kremlin can't be used. Though 'members right, doubt they have enough fuel.

Originally posted by jaden101
200 gigatons = 200,000 megatons which is more than the entire yield of all the worlds nuclear weapons combined which themselves are capable of destroying everything on the surface of the earth 3 times over...

That isn't actually true, I don't think. The largest and least common nuke we have can affect 1000 square miles of land. Considering Earth is around 150 million square miles... even if every single nuclear warhead we have was launched, and hypothetically they were of the same size as our largest payload, the destructive radius would very little of the total area that humans live on.

Originally posted by jaden101
200 gigatons = 200,000 megatons which is more than the entire yield of all the worlds nuclear weapons combined which themselves are capable of destroying everything on the surface of the earth 3 times over...So yes...a 200 gigaton shot should be able to destroy all life on a planet in a single shot...Yet it can apparently barely damage an unshielded hanger deck on an SW ship.

Wipe out all life with 200 gigatons possibly, but not literally destroy the planet.

Is there a difference between practically immune to damage (centerpoint station) and completely immune to damage (Krenim time ship)...Why yes...I believe there is.

Actually, in this case there isn't that much of a difference; Centerpoint station can be damaged by some Star Wars weapons but when it comes to Star Trek non god like beings little short of planet busters would take out Centerpoint station.

The Federation has thousands of colonized planets...So either your calculations are wrong or you have no clue about ST...or both...I'm guessing (knowing) it's the latter option.

Yet many of those are colonies dependent on the member worlds.

We have millions of planets vs thousands of planets. In fact, Coruscant outnumbers the entire Federation; Coruscant's population estimate ranges from a trillion to hundreds of trillions.

You do realise that both the galaxies are equal in size yet there is the same number of worlds in Borg space alone (quoted from a Voyager episode) as there is in the entire SW galaxy...So it would be safe to say that ST has the planetary numbers sown up.

Since when do the borg have millions of planets?

Except that I have...I've given the names of the species...Your continuing to deny it is petty childish trolling and EXACTLY THE SAME THING HWKA DID.

How is that proof? You give me a bunch of names of species without giving a source and without giving proof that transwarp was MASS PRODUCED by those species.

I posted a link and I used quoted masses from ST for a mark II photon torpedo's (which can utilise over 200kg of matter/antimatter in a reaction) which gives off a yield (using real world physics) of over 600 gigatons....That's a relatively weak photon torpedo (which the Borg adapted to and remained undamaged from after a single encounter with the Enterprise D) which are several times weaker than quantum torpedoes (Which the Borg also adapted to after only 2 known encounters in TNG and First Contact) which are weaker still compared with transphasic torpedoes. (which the Borg weren't shown to adapt to merely because they were only used in the last scenes of the last episode shown in the ST timeline (Voyager Endgame)

1. You haven't specified the density
2. You haven't specified the efficiency
3. You haven't specified the amount of the torpedo that would interact with the antimatter since some of it would be engines and such.
4. In the TV shows they clearly don't explode with 600 gigatons of energy.
5. You do understand that most of the energy would not actually hit the target, right?
6. I did some math, and his/her calculations do not seem to be correct in terms of max theoretical yield. Based on his/her wording the 690 gigatons claim appears to be based on the rate of energy release (although there wouldn't be 690 gigatons to release).

So I've shown the the Borg adapt to technology and biology in many different ways and even given examples of them doing this yet you're still claiming I've stated the the Borg rely solely on adapting to frequencies in order to assimilate technology.

You haven't proven that they can adapt to Star Wars tech.

So basically you're a liar and troll and simply ignoring anything that proves you wrong?...Which...guess what?....IS EXACTLY WHAT HWKA USED TO DO....SHOCKAROONI.

Show me one example, if you can, in which The Nuul made a meaningful argument in this thread.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That isn't actually true, I don't think. The largest and least common nuke we have can affect 1000 square miles of land. Considering Earth is around 150 million square miles... even if every single nuclear warhead we have was launched, and hypothetically they were of the same size as our largest payload, the destructive radius would very little of the total area that humans live on.

Right. The radiation would be the dangerous factor, not necessarily the fireballs (although those would be dangerous too).

Wipe out all life with 200 gigatons possibly, but not literally destroy the planet.

I never said literally destroy the planet though, did I?

Actually, in this case there isn't that much of a difference; Centerpoint station can be damaged by some Star Wars weapons but when it comes to Star Trek non god like beings little short of planet busters would take out Centerpoint station.

ST has weapons that phase out of space and pass through matter as if it wasn't even there...Do this so the weapon rematerialises and detonates at a critical point inside centerpoint station and it's bye bye.

Yet many of those are colonies dependent on the member worlds.

You actually have to prove your claims...Not likely now that you've been banned for being a HWKA sock.

How is that proof? You give me a bunch of names of species without giving a source and without giving proof that transwarp was MASS PRODUCED by those species.

So I give you species straight from the tv shows but that's not a source...I mention the species by name yet it's not proof. I give examples of when they have shown to use the technology yet, to you, it's not proof....Where as you make stupid and unfounded statements and this is supposed to be taken at face value and considered fact.

1. You haven't specified the density 2. You haven't specified the efficiency 3. You haven't specified the amount of the torpedo that would interact with the antimatter since some of it would be engines and such. 4. In the TV shows they clearly don't explode with 600 gigatons of energy. 5. You do understand that most of the energy would not actually hit the target, right? 6. I did some math, and his/her calculations do not seem to be correct in terms of max theoretical yield. Based on his/her wording the 690 gigatons claim appears to be based on the rate of energy release (although there wouldn't be 690 gigatons to release).

Blahblahblah....You were proven wrong...toys back in the pram please....thank you.

You haven't proven that they can adapt to Star Wars tech.

So how would I do that without giving an example of them assimilating a SW tech....Which is obviously impossible given that they are 2 completely different fictional stories?

Here's how...In ST....The Borg easily adapt to energy based weapons....In SW they primarily use energy based weapons....Therefor the Borg can easily adapt to SW primary weapons.

Show me one example, if you can, in which The Nuul made a meaningful argument in this thread.

What?...Why would I care if he did or not...I'm talking about you...Not The Nuul...Or is this an example of "He did it first" childish arguing?

FYI:

690 gigatons was the rate of annihalition RATE, not the weapon yield. If the front part of the torpedo reacts wig thefront part of the antimatter, they will explode, which would blow the remaining matter and antimatter particles away, thus wasting most of the torpedo. A higher annihilation rate would increase the efficiency, but even at 100 percent efficiency that torpedo would be according to E=MC^2 about 1/200th of a turbolaser.

Only the borg and species 8472 had mass produced transwarp. Others had unstable prototypes and would he non factors as they would take decades to even attack a Star Wars planet.

Turbolasers bein unidirectional would concentrate more of it's already more powerful turbolaser bolts onto the target and cannot be intercepted. Torpedos with antimatter would have half of it's energy going in the opposite direction of the hull.

I smell a sock in here.